The Philadelphia Church of God is trumpeting today about how 40 years ago, Herbert gave his book to the sophomore class at Ambassador College in Pasadena.
Never has the church published a more useless and awful book than this!
Oh, wait, let's not forget those other brain burners like:
The Incredible Human Potential,
The Missing Dimension in Sex,
Tomorrow's World: What It Will Be Like,
and that ridiculous US & BC book.
Did anyone ever actually read these books?
70 comments:
If it's such a wonderful book, why did PCG feel the need to edit it and change what HWA wrote?
Herbie did not even write the book. Aaron Dean pieced it together from Herbie's other writings.
And what did that audience learn from listening to Herb? A boring repeat of the two trees? All that time and money yet little was learnt. And the members were expected to pretend that they were being fed spiritual meat rather than spiritual milk. My first minister kept complaining from the podium about members trying to fill the void by reading self help books. This was contrary to the Bible's instruction to 'prove all things' and to acquire wisdom.
Yes I read the book. And remember it being the go to guide for all of us back in the day. I remember a few years later coming across a copy of the ‘volume’ in the local library. I doubt that it’s there now lol. I hope not. And no one remembers Herbie or the PT today. Or even knows about pcg or in fact any of the Armstrong splinters and especially booby boy. Invisible unknown………
In the early 80s, I was an enthusiastic young teen in Worldwide. I remember of all Worldwide & HWA's booklets and writings, I found Mystery of the Ages almost unreadable. I think I stopped about 3 or 4 chapters in. I remember seeing it and "Against the Gates of Hell" Rader's old book in a dumpster one time
A student of mine, unaware of my background, was doing a documentary on cult survivors. He's a reader, so I loaned him copies of US&BC and MOA to leaf through.
He complimented US&BCs writing structure, calling it "a masterwork of writing, if not necessarily in content", but felt MOA was "a lot of silly rambling without any clear purpose."
What a buzz kill! Leave it to Flurry to mess up an otherwise great day with a little dab of Armstrongism!
Yes he did
I suspect I know your meaning, and if I am correct, you are the lowest of individuals.
No, he didn't!
Flurry had to rewrite a lot of it because it proved Flurry was a false prophet.
Blaspheming in the title. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Yes, Mystery of the Ages book was odd
and Herbert Armstrong's invisible clothes none told him the truth on. But no excuse.
Armstrong claimed to have answers for 7 mysteries he had dreamed up.
One was the mystery of the Jew and the ancient nation of Israel. Why did God raise up one special nation of Israel? He claims to have answers.
Another he said was the mystery of the very gospel of Jesus Christ?
Unravelling these mysteries Armstrong said was possible because he had special revelations. He said the words of Daniel ''Go thy way, Daniel. The words are closed and sealed until the time of the end.'' applied to him.
''Today'', he said , ''we have reached that time. God has opened to understanding his Word to those he has chosen, who have yielded and surrendered to him and to his blessed sacred Word''.
Fact is the greatest mystery of all is how this vainglorious alleged apostle got away with so many falsehoods over 50 years whilst convincing many it be truth.
I suspect you are right, Jim.
Page 298, first full paragraph, second sentence was Herbie’s third strike at predicting the time of Christ’s return. 1936/WW2; 72/75; and then, “last half of the 20th century.” I will often throw that at his worshipers.
I see where people are claiming Aaron Dean actually compiled MOA. Some are dogmatic that he did. Some are dogmatic that he didn’t. The funny part is, either way Herbie is exposed.
If Dean did it: Armstrong didn’t technically make the mistakes, but Armstrong lied and/or wasn’t in charge.
If Dean didn’t do it: Armstrong was truthful about it being his own work, but Armstrong was responsible for going back to the Plan B take on Godmaking and the failed prophecy of page 298, first full paragraph.
Thus, a person can hold either position and still be for or against the bum. And either way, he was a bum.
From the copyright page: "I want to extend my gratitude to Aaron Dean, who collaborated in the writing and preparation of this book. Without him, since my near loss of eyesight, this book could not have been produced."
(Which proves some of us still have the book.)
Good reference.
Mystery of the Ages, AKA - MOTA
Manny Mota was a heck of a good pinch hitter for the Dodgers in the 70s and early 80s!
The alleged apostle had help....Daniel 8:24??
We had a poster here a few years ago claiming that he was one of the several people who wrote MOA. Based on his writing style, I believed him. Herb wasn't lying when he often claimed that he felt like he didn't write the book
Two egregious lies.........
1. ""Seven feasts"".......compels the believer to not comply by the law.
2. ""Third tithe"".......defrauds the believer of his/her money.
Speaking about books....... Anyone in the know of the worlds most influentia 7th day (not advemtist) saturday sabbath keeping christian nationalist, make manassah geeat again, ever read USGB in Prophecy before he was shot in the neck.....??
Nck
I remember the MOA book (in french translation) being boring and confusing ; can't remember whether I fully completed it.
On 2000, the book - and all other books, booklets, magazines, bible courses, articles etc. - all are gone to dumpster.
ever knew that about Kirk. Here’s a video posted just before President Trump’s recent inauguration, with a clip of him explaining his motivation. Doesn’t sound like he’s read the material you mention, Nck. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ArQn1L_qZ70
MMGA
(Connectivity issue is interfering with using my Google account for this post.)
Believe it or not, 7 mysteries is not enough ; we need more.
Thanks to Ronald Weiland and cog-pkg, 4 more mysteries - "new truths" - have been revealed :
https://www.cog-pkg.org/publications/the-rest-of-mystery-of-the-ages.pdf
strange and hilarious ...
It lacks only 1 more mystery in order to get it to the sacred number 12 (thank you, Ambassador College Spokesman Club) !
After all, in his nineties nearly blind, and physically frail, HWA was not the typewriter-pounding man he once was. Tkach Jr claimed his father and others helped with the book too, but didnt say in what capacity.
In Flurrys case, he loudly claimed that wasnt possible, that HWA wrote the book entirely.
I hadn't known about Charlie Kirk and the sabbath either, nck. The first go reading this, I thought we were seeing some more nckian humor, but Lee's comment prompted a search, and yes, Mr. Kirk was a sabbath keeper.
I don't believe that people have given one of my contentions enough credit. For years I have pointed out that the Armstrong name, the ridiculous prophecy farce, and the extreme and erroneous interpretations and applications of the various Biblical laws have made it so that the Armstrong movement does not have the credibility to proclaim God's end time message to the world. That's been burned! I've stated that God would need to raise up someone new and fresh, someone without the baggage inherited and exacerbated by the ACOGs, someone who could be taken seriously, and whom God would endorse. Someone with charisma and natural abilities equal to or greater than HWA and GTA. People who read here and have sacrificed decades of time and money on the Armstrong movement laughed, as if this messenger, the two witnesses, and the supporting cast of characters could only come from amongst them.
Charlie did indeed have more of the key ingredients than the ACOG leaders. Apparently, he was taken seriously in spite of his sabbath keeping, was integral in many ways to the MAGA movement, actually one of the architects of it, and his ability to work with and to persuade people had become legendary in his short time on planet Earth.
I would be dishonest if I did not share the fact that I was not a follower of Charlie. No fault of his, my life experiences have informed me such that I don't follow anyone. I borrow an occasional idea. However, I do believe that his ascension to prominence confirms proof of concept. It is very possible for a sabbath keeper outside of the Armstrong bubble to rise to prominence and to influence and message the masses.
Leaders of the ACOGs who continually self-aggrandize, and make their ridiculous predictions, statements, and demands would do well to ponder this.
BB
I'm my best me when BB is my receiver......😂😂😂😂
Nck
I see that Bob Thiel lied again today, claiming that a "reader" sent him information that Charlie Kirk was a Sabbath Keeper. Theil read it here first, and he knows it. Is there a truthful bone in that man's body?
Before the ACOGs get too excited about Kirk and the sabbath, they should recognize that he continued to worship on Sundays. Kirk simply liked the idea of a day of rest, and wasn't advocating the use of that rest-day to drive for hours to and from a multi-hour worship service. His idea was that we should follow what he understood was the original Christian model, that we should rest on the seventh day, then worship on the first day.
BB:
“People who read here and have sacrificed decades of time and money on the Armstrong movement laughed, as if this messenger, the two witnesses, and the supporting cast of characters could only come from amongst them.”
The reason these people say such a message (which, to remind people, I am not a believer in) has to come from the Armstrong tradition is the whole “True Church” ordinational succession thing! Everything always comes back to that. To break them of that parochial thinking requires breaking them of that TC/Succession belief. As long as they hold that, they can rationalize literally every other problem — “the Armstrong name, the ridiculous prophecy farce, and the extreme and erroneous interpretations and applications of the various Biblical laws,” and every abuse ever experienced in the context of the cult.
Hence, THIS IS THE ONLY SILVER BULLET:
https://catsgunsandnationalsecurity.blogspot.com/2025/03/reference-to-followers-of-armstrongism.html?m=1
https://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2025/05/is-armstrongism-defined-by-its-identity.html?m=1
It always comes back to this.
That's the best place for them - the dumpster. They will then break down and I suppose give food to the worms, but real benefit was never going to be possible for those who once possessed this literature.
Seeing Armstrong sitting there extoling the virtues of his claimed solutions of the 7 mysteries caused me to think of his love of wearing the most expensive 'Pullman' suits money could buy.
Made me wonder what happened to his likely vast array of racked suits and ties and shirts he loved to put on every day.
Suppose they were all sent to the local charities, or at least one would hope. Or , perhaps, some acolytes took them into their personal possession so that they too, when fat enough, could wear as well? A mystery.
Yes I have heard that Charlie Kirk was a sabbath keeper.
I admired him. And I certainly agreed with many of his political views and his Christian values. I will miss him. His was a refreshingly calming and reasoning voice in a world of craziness and darkness. I doubt he ever heard of Herbert and his daughter movements or would want too, or care. Charlie’s message certainly garnered a large following, especially among the younger set. It resonated with many and was something the cog/armstrong organisations could never replicate in their wildest crazy dreams. It shows us that there is a hunger out there for something tangible with meaning. RIP Charlie and thanks.
Read deeply! This shooting has forced a lot of concealed material to come out.. The new Civil War is not regional. It is cultural, idealogical, and will be with us for the forseeable future. My fondest wish is no more shootings, but I believe they may be the new norm near term. The good news for the time being is that this shooter kid was not a merc. Everyone needs to chill!
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That is entirely true. He was entirely not dogmatic about it....and a sunday church goer too.
A novice who had (self) discovered the power of the true sabbath. Truly more of a spiritual/practical approach then dogmatic.
It reminded me of my grandfather who kept repeating the sda meme, that if people got stranded on an island with only a bible.... they would all end up sabbath keepers.
Nck
It started with a pastor of a Sunday church suggesting that Charlie Kirk "take" a sabbath. Charlie still attended his normal Sunday church, but he truly rested from media and work on saturday. He didn't go to church on Saturday.
He did not think it necessary for salvation nor that it was incumbent upon Christians (though he recognized some churches did).
Charlie was a dynamo and taking a sabbath each week was good for him. He viewed it as voluntary. He also said the day of the week didn't matter.
He was not following the deceived COG method of sabbath "keeping".
Your "Christian model" is neither biblical, nor followed by actual Sunday Christian keepers. It is your own model hypocrite.
The dump site above Eagle Rock on top of the mountain contains tens of thousands of rotting Mystery of the Ages books. I remember fondly loading up the stake bed truck the church had and filling it with MOA and other useless books and booklets.
Omnibus message. Let’s see if moderators allow this one.
Jim: Yes, I was gathering that that was kinda how Kirk was thinking on the theology.
Nck: That “sda meme” is how the Chinese Taipings developed seventh-day practice, despite a UCG minister demanding to me that could’ve been a Sabbatarian missionary visit them.
BB: The reason Armstrongists insist upon it must be an Armstrongist for the end time message is the “True Church” succession. Everything always comes back to that.
The only one deceiving and being deceived on what Christians are supposed to do is you.
Why did the moderators let through Walker's 12:45 blasphemous representation of the triune.....??
😂😂😂😂
Nck
I was thinking to myself, "Then they are in for a big surprise!"
But, they even thwart that! They've actually been dying continuing to believe it, although it hasn't come to pass. The fact that the splinters have been going nowhere for the past 30 years has not fazed them. Some of them call this the Laodicean era, but each splinter insists that it is the Philadelphian remnant. The churches that were started by GTA after he was defrocked appear to believe they are part of the succession.
Whatever shape the Millennium takes, when Jesus tries to correct these people, they will probably respond with "But, Mr. Armstrong says........." No matter! They will have company. There'll be lots of Muslims who tell Issa, "But the Ayatollah promised us all these virgins!"
BB
BB:
Perhaps the Book of Life can be opened early to show them where Herbie’s name is blotted out, with the little notation, “Individual NOT to be tossed into Lake of Fire, but rather slowly lowered in like Schwarzenegger in the second ‘Terminator’ movie.”
Oops. Double spoiler alert.
But wait! The "true" church does this........where is it?? Observes.......
...only 3 feasts of God: DUB Nisan 14-20; Pentecost 8th "Sunday" after Nisan 14; FOI Tishri 15-21
....fixed sabbaths apart from the feasts: "Fri" sunset to "Sat" sunset; Tishri 1, 10, 22.
Hey, nck!
Remember on the old forum how Truth and Light (T&L) frequently addressed "the Moderators" in his posts? That was one of his tells. Does make a body wonder! ~(;-)=
BB
https://godcannotbecontained.blogspot.com/2025/09/sow-wind-and-reap-whirlwind.html
David: I got you information about the new additions to the book. Working on it to post.
Heh heh! Great idea on the Book of Life, Lee! Problem is, the Successionists would swear up and down that it was an AI fake! I'm thinking it would have to glow, or have an aura around it or something.
BB
It wasn’t me, BB, if that’s what you’re getting at. I would’ve identified myself.
Lol.
Well, I’d have to respect them there on demanding proof of its legitimacy. (I personally do the same thing with that volume called the Bible.) But they should do the same on their succession claim (cf Ezra 2:59-63; Nehemiah 7:60-64).
Gotcha, Lee. I'm cool with that.
BB
The closest document that Armstrongism has ever produced that resembles a systematic theology is the MOA. For this reason, the MOA is an important historical document. It may not have come from HWA's sole hand, but he certainly was in the position to cancel whatever he did not like. While it lacks the detail of the many little booklets, it is an integrative capstone for classical, pre-1995 Armstrongist theology. I have a copy on my bookshelf and refer to it occasionally. It is spare on doctrine, but it has the gravitas of being under HWA’s byline.
We might ask ourselves why the WCG was never able to produce even a short systematic theology. There was an attempt, but HWA terminated the project. I think it is because such a document represents the centralization of Armstrongist thought. And HWA thought of himself as that centralization and any book titled “systematic theology” would be a competitor unless he authored the theology entirely by himself. (And why generate a document when you have the living Apostle himself?) The one-man show is not unusual. The Reformed Movement has Calvin and GCI has Barth (by way of Torrance). Nevertheless, I think HWA saw it as a threat.
Another concern is that writing a systematic theology requires opening up the lid, pouring out the contents and making some decisions. Is the theology comprehensive? Is it internally consistent? Might it not spark some kind of reformation? Organizing and writing a systematic theology might be seen as a long and intense critique of HWA’s belief system. Something that he would never let happen. So, instead, we have the MOA, a generic, summary document that hits some high points.
I don’t think any Armstrongist denomination will author a systematic theology that is modeled after the many that have come out of the Christian Movement. For instance, Millard Erickson’s Christian Theology. Christian denominations have not been daunted by the challenge of producing systematic theologies. The problem there is too many rather than not enough. Armstrongist theology, I believe, will always be mostly ad hoc involving the MOA, little booklets, church administration and various people in the ministry. For those who would dine at that table, it is a moveable feast.
Scout
Scout,
Let's be fair. There was an attempt at a Systematic Theology Program before GTA and the other "liberals" were booted or left. Moreover, CGI adopted that document pretty much unchanged:
https://www.cgi.org/stp
MOA stands as so authoritative, because it was “the most important book since the Bible.” Practically – if not actually – scripture. It was the final real doctrinal statement of the Great Perverted One, the End Time Elijah.
That “moveable feast” factor actually goes to why I argue for attacking the Succession claim, rather than doctrine or practice. It’s too easy for people to slither around errant points. But history and a scriptural legal precedent (that is, history) is the one area which some Armstrongists might hold to be objective rather than subjective or intuitive. John 6:44 will always be his salvation of a doctrinal fail. But objective history, and taking Ezra 2/Nehemiah 7 as objective history, requires the follower to either reject the claim, or lean so heavy on her being himself as to destroy credibility among questioning members and outsiders.
Per their own logic, we're in double checkmate with them on that, Lee. (@12:54) They need succession to prove that HWA was quasi-biblical figure "God's Apostle", but they will only accept the evidence on succession which was taught to them by "God's Apostle" because they believe he was God's Apostle. Go figure! It's like Abbott and Costello's "Who is on First"
It's a tough one, and there are other vulnerable teachings which could be assailed and would be missed by them due to that same logic which they were taught. I know of one person who was a stalwart COG member. Eventually, he accepted the very formidable evidence against British Israelism, and for him, HWA's house of cards immediately collapsed. He became very active here for a number of years, and I assume has gone on with his life.
BB
You can’t prove a negative. You can’t prove a nation is not descended from Israel, and I can’t (normally) prove a minister is not organizationally descended from the apostles (look at Bob Thiel — maybe that elder did ordain him, and just had regrets.) My approach to succession is to put the burden on proving it, with Ezra/Nehemiah and the most basic of logic. I don’t disprove succession. I simply remove it from consideration. I take away the presumption, and thus the authority.
What Identity was to your friend, bearing arms/civic duty was to me. Yet at the same time, there will be anti-Armstrongists who genuinely agree with Armstrong on either or both of those doctrines. Doctrine is not the Silver bullet.
What happened in history is not a doctrine. And they cannot disagree with any credibility at all that they do NOT have the information on their alleged succession. (I document somebody trying to claim they did have the information. When I tracked the person down and posted on their YouTube channel, they muted me. They know they were telling a lie.) It transcends doctrine. It gets out of the trenches, and goes high with a nuke.
And if they do go to Armstrong as the authoritative inspired historian, then you have them acknowledging themselves as a personality cult. That destroys their outreach and will undermine thinking members.
John 6:44 can be used to handle any doctrinal challenge. But it becomes useless to Armstrongists if they can’t presume their “True Church” status. Do you want them to change from Identity. I want them to change from conscientious objection. But we both want them to change from TC/succession. Our doctrinal preferences must be subordinated to the higher cause. (I even do so in my writeup.)
I don't recall "Apostolic Succesion" being taught. .....Rather heavy emphasis on certain "Biblical Rituals" at ordination from someone out or inside the hierarchy of the "candle" of the era.
Regarding "Organizational Succession" again...the "grow linear like a huge catholic tree" model was never taught..... Rather the "menorah lampstand model" where bursts or candles of light would on occassion grow as distinguishable eras from "eternal truth keepers" at the base..... and even HWA was very clear that even the "base" did not even always keep the 7th day sabbath at "organisation" level.
Theoretically within Armstrongist philosophy a billion member church could spring from one of the cgi gta raised wayward house churches..
.even if HWA had ostracized them....
As for HWAs own membership at previous "candles"... That is sketchy....... Perhaps a bit like Jordans King Abdallah's/Hussains training at British military institutions absorbing anything useful yet not considering himself part of the British military at all..
Nck
Have you been keeping score on how many members leave following your discussions with them about succession? I've given up on socalled thinking members. They think within the Pavlovian boundaries which have been imposed upon them. They study, but it is to prove and reprove that the doctrines are right. Objectivity is not an option for them.
It’s “ORDINATIONAL,” not “organizational.” Sometimes voice to text might mess that up, but I try to always correct it. It is essentially synonymous with “apostolic.” It goes back to Dugger and Dodd, and is the core of their book. Because in WCG proper ministerial authority came from the “seat of Armstrong(/Tkach),” it was really an issue relegated to “ church history.” It’s when the elders carrying out, splits needed to maintain their authority apart from that seat that it became the issue people like Thiel make it. Craig White, who hates me mentioning his name, has done decades of research trying to prove the connection, but has failed. Big time. I cite and went to him on my writeup.
“Theoretically within Armstrongist philosophy a billion member church could spring from one of the cgi gta raised wayward house churches..
.even if HWA had ostracized them....”
That IS the succession model.
The Menorah Model seems more of a concession to actual history. Because the linkages could not be shown — probably because they don’t exist — you had to explain away certain outliers. It certainly was not the prime model. For a lay member to somehow use that to justify a split without an elder would’ve gotten him the speech that you can’t leave (“true”) church once you are a member. This is where Armstrong violated his own rule. He would not have been ordained heading not been a CG7 member. There is eyewitness testimony to a 1930 baptism of Armstrong by a CG7 Elder Stith (UCG in 2020 accidentally let that slip, then quickly covered it up). The only thing “sketchy” about the claim is Armstrong covering it up.
Paul Moody, responding to an inquiry from Nathan Albright, stated that in evaluating the “ministry” not of UCG ordinational origin, he would organizational lineage as described. Note first question, and the last sentence:
“As the senior pastor for Ghana, I have never been instructed to look specifically for a HWA thread of ordination for a minister who walks into UCG from another group. In such a case, I would definitely assess a ministerial ordination based upon certain criteria. Did the ordination come through a TRUE minister of Jesus Christ? Were the biblical qualifications for the ministry upheld? Was this a minister who taught true doctrine (fruits)? Were hands laid upon the individual for ordination? I would certainly want to see a clear thread of ordination from the true "spiritual" Church of God.”
UCG also has a “partner” church in Angola. It recognizes the individuals as presumably “true Christian,” but from the information Albright gave me, there was nothing to indicate recognition of the ministers as “true.” It frankly sounds more like they are being treated as a bunch of prospective members, and being humid as they “play church.” If UCG DOES INDEED RECOGNIZE THEIR MINISTERS WITHOUT SUCH A LINEAGE, THAT WOULD CRACK THE “TRUE CHURCH.” Members would be free.
The whole claim is bogus. Thus, you should expect contradictions and inconsistencies in and between the testimonies of the parties making the claim. I do hope this helps explain it. Without the succession, Armstrongist ministers, including Herbie himself, are de-powered.
I should add to the previous comment that the Menorah angle is talked about by Craig White in an attempt to get around succession. The truth is, though, these occasional bursts would be expected to be linked in history by organizational succession.
I'd never thought of this as a teenager, nck, sitting in sabbath services with my family. After I arrived at Ambassador College, I remember distinctly GTA (before he got caught) giving a sermon in which he referenced a continuous unbroken chain of laying on of hands projecting back in time from the present, through all the so called eras of the church, back to the Apostles and to Jesus Christ. They applied this multilevel. It included laying on of hands with baptism as it applied to members, and on the ministerial level, accompanying ordinations. The proof of their premise was supposedly verified through "A True History of the True Church", now considered rather camp due to its Hislop-like leaps, and expanses of the history which had been debunked and corrected by more scholarly research. Gavin Rumney had done a really good, effective job in presenting his meticulous re-examination of Dr. Hoeh's original research, and the plagiarized Dugger-Dodd materials as well. Jared Olar had written extensively on this topic on the old XCG Blog.
To my knowledge, the church never referred to leaders of the other so called eras as "Apostles". That office was reserved for the old school originals of Jesus time, and HWA. Some of the post-Armstrong splinter leaders have ordained themselves as Apostles, but I don't know that most COG members even take these self-applied titles seriously.
You can actually prove succession through the history of the Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church, but probably most of the Armstrongites still believe what HWA taught about Simon Magus starting the Catholic Church. (He should have read Irenaeus!). What is really hilarious is the way the splinters treat the choosing of and ordination of Mr. Joseph Tkach, Sr (and Jr.). Apparently that didn't count!
BB
ORDINATIONAL!!! Missed that at 1:02 AM.
The problem with tracing mere organizations is that connections could be as simple as a lay member going from a “true” church to a “not-true” one, or even founding his own. That would nullify the whole concept.
BB, I will say that I have heard of at least one intermediate leader being considered an “apostle.” That was Peter Waldo. Which, when you look into his history, is hilarious.
Interesting stuff.
Oh Common BB, didnt you sleep well.
Many of the "Candle" leaders were historically referred to as Apostles in tbe Middle Ages...But especially the leaders of tbe COG 7th Day.
I see you guys referring to Dodd.
None of you ever read the source EG White???
Nck
Remember, guys, I'm Class of '75 (year I graduated from Armstrongism) and if memory serves me correctly, aren't you guys both Class of '95? So, in my time, HWA never referred to Peter Waldo or the guys from the middle ages as "Apostle"
Also, I heard Rod Meredith childishly refer to "prophetess" Ellen G. White as Mrs. Egg Whites one too many times to want to study her! Being a Standells fan during my AC years, the only Dodd I knew anything about was Dick Dodd, lead singer on "Dirty Water"
BB
BB, it doesn’t have to be by Armstrong himself. He is accountable for the actions of his ministers.
Never knew of CO Dodd? “A History of the True Religion”? Yeah.
And correct your record on classes: WCG 1988-95; UCG 1995-2000; ICG 2000-2001; completely and formally renounced the first-century Essene hippie from Galilee 2003 (though that had been a long time coming).
Lord have mercy! Y'all were fortunate to be in the class of '95. I'm in the class of 2007 but still associated due to family and friends.
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