For a church movement that smugly brags it would rather celebrate a hill than ever celebrate a birthday (because pagan!!!), certain Armstrongist COG leaders positively salivate over commemorating the most riveting dates in COG history: the day the state stamped their church incorporation papers, the sacred long weekend they cracked open that moldy booklet for the 47th time at a summer camp, and, of course, the holy anniversary of the fever dream in which God Himself apparently whispered, “The Churches of God are doing great, but you know what they’re really missing? Yet another splinter run by a guy with a blog and a persecution complex.”
This time, the Greatest Prophet Ever to Grace the Churches of God With His Physical Presence™ (trademark pending) decided poor Dibar Apartian hadn’t suffered enough in the grave, so he exhumed the man’s comments, dusted them off, and ran them through the patented Thiel Scripture-Twister™ (now with 30% more confirmation bias!) to “prove” he had no choice but to courageously apostatize from the Living Church of God and found the One True Remnant™—population: him, his wife, a few Caucasians and some Africans.
For years, the Living Church of God smiled through gritted teeth while Bwana Bob threw hourly tantrums about their “wrong doctrines” and “inaccurate information” (because nothing says spiritual maturity like a short little man whining on the internet that the big kids won’t listen to him). They kept patting him on the head in public like the awkward cousin at Thanksgiving, all while texting each other screenshots of his latest unhinged “prophetic” rants and laughing so hard they needed oxygen.
And just like how he “miraculously” turned Gaylyn Bonjour’s polite "blessing" into a divinely ordained double portion anointing, the Great Bwana has now performed the same linguistic equivalent of a pretzel factory explosion on Dibar Apartian’s words until they “clearly” say exactly what he needed them to say this news cycle.
Crackpot Bob is now desperately trying to retcon history so that Apartian looks like some cloak-and-dagger resistance fighter secretly undermining Rod Meredith, in the same way he insists Apartian single-handedly forced LCG’s magazines to publish his groundbreaking research and biblical interpretations.
The man has spent decades absolutely fuming that first Worldwide, then Global, then Living all looked at his “impeccable” research, his “incontestable” corrections, and his entirely self-awarded credentials and collectively said, “Yeah… hard pass on ordaining Captain Tinfoil.” One former UCG minister summed it up best: the guy is “completely nuts.” But sure, Bob, clearly the problem is that every single church organization on the planet is blind to your towering genius.
Many members in LCG were unaware that Dibar Apartian had issues with LCG’s Tomorrow’s World magazine. He stated it lacked interest, depth, and relevance. In 2007 and 2008, he pushed Dr. Meredith to agree to have articles in it from me as he told me that my articles were what LCG needed. Dr. Meredith agreed, at least at that time. I agreed, but only under the provision that LCG would first fix errors in its booklet on church history. Although LCG, numerous times agreed to do that and told me numerous times that it was working on doing that, it never happened as various ones promised. The reality is that one of the top people did not want the magazine changed and prevented the booklet changes apparently as a reason to not have me submit articles.
And the hits just keep coming from the One-Man Prophetic Extravaganza™.
Dibar Apartian frequently used to urge me to try to get the other leaders in LCG to correct doctrinal, prophetic, and literature errors. Although I tried to get him to do more of that himself, he always instructed me to not only do that, but to remind other leaders in Charlotte to keep their promises to fix errors, literature, etc.
But we did have an incident where he got quite angry with me. It was related to something that started on October 3, 2008 when Dr. Roderick C. Meredith (Presiding Evangelist of the Living Church of God) called me and said to me, “God may consider you to be a prophet.” Dr. Meredith and I discussed this in depth as Dr. Meredith was the one who brought the topic up.
Oh, it gets even richer.
Later that month, my family and I went to the Feast of Tabernacles in Evian, France. The conversation with Dr. Meredith weighed on my mind, so I asked Dibar Apartian (who was the Feast site coordinator) and Dr. Jeff Fall (who was my pastor then, and who also attended there that year) to meet with me before services one morning. I told both of them about the conversation with Dr. Meredith.
Upon hearing this, Dibar Apartian got upset. He told me that Dr. Meredith did not say such a thing and I assured him that he had. His emotions got the best of him and he stormed out of the meeting and I completed it by discussing what happened in more depth with Dr. Fall.
A couple of days later, after Dibar Apartian calmed down, he came up to me and said that I was either “the one” to lead the Philadelphian remnant or the “biggest threat to the church.” He also came up to me shortly thereafter and told me how much he appreciated a sermonette I later gave during that Feast.
And here comes the next jaw-dropping plot twist from the Thiel Cinematic Universe™!
It should be noted that Dibar Apartian had major issues with LCG in general and Dr. Meredith in particular. He had some warnings about LCG. And I was not the only one who knew this. Though since I left, various ordained leaders in LCG have spread falsehoods about me–but let me add that I do not believe that Gerald Weston knows the truth about what happened as my sources indicate he was told falsehoods that he has accepted–maybe one day he will learn-as the Bible warns, “Cursed is he who does the work of the Lord deceitfully” (Jeremiah 48:10).
And the grand finale of this tragicomedy just keeps delivering.
Some have attempted to discount and discredit what happened between Dibar Apartian and myself, but what is reported here is true.
In a post shown on the Banned by HWA site in March 2016, its webmaster Gary Leonard oddly posted the following:
Several LCG asked me if I had any information on Dibar Apartian and his belief that LCG was no longer God’s church. This was posted in December of 2015. You can see it between snarky comments about Bob and his self righteous grandeous image he tries to portray of himself.
The only version of this story is coming from Bob Thiel when he tried to use it to smear Meredith whom he is angry with for refusing to listen to him. and incorporate changes he felt LCG needed.
Gary Leonard then made some more attacks against me and included some information I posted.
Yet, if Gary had looked at certain comments at his own blog, he would have realized that I am not the only one to post comments related to Dibar Apartian’s views of the Living Church of God (and I posted none at Gary Leonard’s blog).
Still seething from that public spanking Rod Meredith gave him years ago, Crackpot Bob dreamed up what he clearly thinks is his magnum opus: a 61-point manifesto triumphantly titled “Living Church of God: 61 Errors and Heresies (And Why Only I, The Great Bwana, Have 100% Pure, Uncut,

24 comments:
Back in the day, Meredith got mocked a lot in the mens' dorms at AC because he couldn't give a sermon or teach a class without some weird foray into masturbation or homosexuality. Apartian was consistent, but not a heavyweight or headliner. The LCG was not composed of the ministers who were seen as the most powerful back in the day. Not saying these guys were the Jokers in the WCG deck, but others were seen as giving much more gripping or deeply sincere sermons. GTA, Al Portune Sr., and David Antion were more "top draw".
To me, the fact that Bob Thiel, when the WCG was divvied up, chose to be with LCG speaks volumes. Nothing to brag about there.
If Mr Apartian were resurrected for a Few hours and looked into Bobs claims of 9,000 members he'd be ***** slapping Bobby. He'd be telling him don't you know your getting conned about Africa 🌍. He'd be saying Bob Thiel your no Prophet!!!! A Prophet wouldn't believe such Fairy tale excuses from African Witchdoctors. From Evans Ocheing and Radson Mulowzoa's village girls, hotel Girls, Kissing Cousins,Sexting Facebook women,Witchdocters and Gold mining corruption, Fake dreams, Fake numbers of Members, Fake healings, Fake casting out of Demons, total Bullshit stories- Bradox Ouma Ocheings Political involvement while being a Deacon under Papa Evans. Dibar would shake Bob and say what's wrong with you to believe such Garbage. Bob would get swift kick in the ***. Nobody's believing you BOBBY!!!!!
Bob is an interesting study in "Don't you know who I am?!"
I've bought a ton of vitamins over my life, and from a variety of people who were the proprietors or regular employees of such stores. In Southern California, some them were members of the local Calvary church. Calvary is the church that takes over and refurbishes decaying strip malls as their community base of operations, encourages Bible Study groups, and puts on Christian rock concerts. Even though I was an atheist during that time frame, I always got along with them, and looked forward to my regular trips to the vitamin store. It was rare that I would spend less than 1/2 hour there in various discussions.
Where I am now, for years I purchased my vitamins from a Jehovah's Witness lady, whom I never knew was a JW until the store shut down. One time she and her husband were in the stands at a major NHRA Drag Racing event, and when she saw me walking in front of the stands, she called out to me, using my wife's pet name for me, and they invited me to sit with them for the race. They actually had a Harley, which I understand is unusual for Jehovah's Witness people. Once, the lady actually thwarted a store robbery. She ran the robber out of the store with a mop handle! So, in spite of their cult, we had several things in common.
I guess you can figure out where I'm going with this. What if your local healthfood store owner, or worker were a member of an ACOG? What if that person imagined themselves as a "prophet", or leader of an ACOG church era?
Mind you, when I lived in Pasadena, I never visited "Granny's Pantry" (owned by a WCG elder). I went to the stores where the Calvary people worked, not because they were from Calvary, but because they were long term professionals, and I found it possible to develop friendships with them, which it would not have been possible to do at a WCG member's store, considering the shunning policy amongst WCG people, and the natural hostility which would have ensued.
I just wonder if Bob Thiel is as arrogant about his vitamin supplements as he is with his so-called knowledge about Biblical topics. Or, is there a compartmentalization of personalities, the better of which is shown to those who patronize his store?
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Bob shares at least one character flaw with his rebellious Spirit-Daddy Rod Meredith. Neither is/was able to see himself as others see him. Herbert Armstrong wrote a letter to Rod in which he mentioned that problem. It also applies pretty well to Bob's (lack of) character. Two men desperately grasping for power, creating discord wherever they try to make their influence felt, vastly overestimating their own importance and ability.
"...and Jesus said, 'Blessed are the butthurt, for they require the Vaseline of humility. Blessed are they whose arms flail, that they may fly to the Kingdom." (The Gospel of Bob, chapter 5, verses 3-4).
Bob has totally no credibility in the Church of God Circles. Nobody believes he has thousands in Malawi-or Kenya. I was in Malawi last feast- it takes a lot to feed the Hopes nearly 2,000 Feast goers, and preparations that are involved takes a team of people on the Ground. All Bob does is send Radson some funds with no teams or preparations beforehand. All Radson does is take some pictures of a few dozen persons and calls that a Feast with thousands attending? He didn't even send that this time. Last year the Hope had over 2,000 attending It's feast sites in Malawi- Bob wrote Publicly that we had 300, which was a lie based on Bribes given to John Machemba from Evans Ocheing. John gave a video testament to the Hopes lawyers in Blantyre about this and also we have a copy of Evans Ocheings video he took of that conversation without John Machemba's knowledge, which I might add is a crime under Malawian Law. Bobs African Conn Men spoon feed Bob what he wants to hear. It's a classic African trick, make up fake numbers to show the blessings of 30% growth, get more money from a Muzungu Sucker. Problem is, now being that Radson is greedy with funds, villagers know everywhere he's a Fraud. BigBoss Evans comes with Money to Malawi,but that's not even working anymore, Evans is worried that the Jig is up in Malawi CCOG land. Anyway Bob- Happy Fake numbers of Members, Happy Adulterous Fake Ministers you employ- Happy Real Witchdoctors that your Conn Men Employ. Happy Trails to Fake CCOG Africa 🌍
"Meredith... weird foray into masturbation or homosexuality" -- "...For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." (Matthew 12:34). So was Meredith actually gay?
HWA once said that Rod was the most effeminate man on campus. I guess that is why he tried so hard to be a super masculine guy. It never worked. Supposedly, one of his sons is gay.
The problem we all have with Bob is that we know who he is, and it is such a train wreck that we can't stop watching him! LOL
The Above Anonymous was I Terry A. Nelson . The one that Bob Thiel calls a Talebearer-liar. Bob shame on you-for not helping the one that is most likely a Prophet in Australia - you totally turned a blind eye to his needs when you could have helped him- even with your own Money-not even even helping with a $100 well in Serbia- you could have helped and you only offered Prayers- your not fit to be a leader of a Christian Organization. You just want persons to worship you as the Prophet, hence Africa gets half the Funds of the CCOG. The Witchdoctors spell is definitely upon you and God is allowing it, as God Hates a Narcissistic non humble person. That's why the spells work on you , being your Full of yourself - the Sin of Pride. Roderick C Meredith letter will be your Headlines
Making up or enjoying speculative dirt is a sign of a lowlife. Shame on you people.
Happy Sabbath Everyone.
Don't for get your Friday prayers.
This reminds me of the time they dug up one of the Popes and put him on trial.
So was Meredith actually gay?
Well, when Meredith started his own ACOG he appears to have hired a startling number of closeted homosexuals, some married and some single. That much we can say. But did he hire them so that as an effeminate straight guy he would feel more masculine by comparison, or so that as a gay guy he would feel more comfortable surrounded by his own kind? That we can't say for sure.
All the fakeries are not far removed really from the Master Faker Armstrong who made lots of money publishing false scary prophecies for 50 years.
And then, having really scared people, relieved them of funds because after all money was soon to be useless! He then promised to arrange entry to the place of safety because he had many contacts in high places.
Read the letter it was very long. One wonders if the apostle penned every word.
Since this site is in your opinion full of many low life and unpleasant folk would it be better for you to cease coming here?
It's a matter of grave concern to the sole profpheit.
Wait until this blog sees what UCG President Elliott wrote this past week. He seems to take on Robert Thiel and Samuel Kitchen in tandem!
Yeah, Baby! (3:48) We're the dogs straight from the pound. Watch out! We gonna release some fleas on y'all. Ain't you never read in the Bible about the "flea fornication"?
That's unfortunately a two edged sword. In their minds, John's recognition of their status elevates them. It's a defensive move that shows that their activities have been upgraded from harmless, impotent puppy dog to budding wolf.
By the way, having left the Armstrong Story in the middle of the movie, I'm having a difficult time seeing John Elliott on the same level as Les McCullough.
I'm not sure many people in UCG even take John Elliott seriously. By COG standards, they had a rather solid president in Rick Shabi. But, UCG being UCG, they removed him and replaced him with a far inferior man (by almost every measure).
John Elliott is no Les McCullough, or Rick Shabi...
Alas a truthful comment 3:46. The way Shabi was cast aside, after he had extensively travelled the world assessing the various church regions was a huge own goal.
By removing Shabi in the manner they did, the COE did great damage to their own concept of having a UCG President in the first place.
I hope Elliot turns out to be a mild mannered 'good guy' and not a mild mannered bad one. UCG has a mixture of both types.
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