Ted and Fred have a dream...
Oh, wait—except, of course, when it came to that one very special, divinely timed dream his wife Loma had back in the day, the one with the dazzling stars, angels, and a personal commission for an "important work" to prepare the way for Christ's return. But that was totally different, you see—that was a legitimate, non-fantastical, God-approved dream-vision thing, not like those other ones. Never mind that Herbert himself recounted it in his autobiography as a key signpost for his calling. Totally not the same as leaning on dreams for legitimacy. Nope. Move along.
No mainstream COG groups recognize those kinds of over-the-top, self-aggrandizing fantastical dreams... except, naturally, for that one hilariously improperly named "Continuing" Church of God (because nothing says "continuing" the original like starting your own new splinter in 2012).
Bwana Bob Thiel—sorry, Dr. Bob Thiel, the self-proclaimed super-duper apostle and Chief Overseer—has leaned harder on his collection of dreams (and that oh-so-convenient "double portion" blessing/anointing) than a drowning man clings to a life raft. These aren't just any dreams, mind you; they're the ironclad, irrefutable proof texts that he's God's one true superfantabulous end-time leader, the real deal Philadelphia mantle-holder, the final-phase-of-the-work guy. Because apparently, in the grand tradition of biblical prophets, the best way to confirm you're specially chosen is to have multiple people (including yourself) dream about it in ways that conveniently point straight to... you. How utterly humble and non-narcissistic.It's almost as if the entire COG landscape didn't already have enough self-appointed apostles claiming divine signals via subconscious nighttime movies. But sure, Bob's are the real ones. Everyone else's are just wannabe delusions from dime-a-dozen dreamers. His? Straight from the throne room. Double-blessed, even. Because why settle for one anointing when you can get the Elijah-to-Elisha upgrade package?
Truly, the pinnacle of biblical discernment.
These mental delusions—sorry, these confirmed prophetic confirmations—are now catching on like wildfire among his loyal, faithful flock. They're oohing and aahing over every fresh nocturnal dispatch as if it's the latest blockbuster from the Throne Room itself. The frenzy has been whipped up to fever pitch by the Great Bwana himself (with perhaps a little assist from his ever-helpful "evangelists"), and now—miracle of miracles—his African members are also dreaming dreams. Who could've foreseen that relentless promotion of one's own prophetic credentials might inspire the flock to start manufacturing their own supporting cast of nighttime testimonials? It's almost like mass suggestion meets end-time enthusiasm!
Truly, what a golden age for biblical discernment. When the leader keeps hammering home that dreams are the ultimate proof of legitimacy (except, naturally, when anyone else has them), it's only natural that the membership would eagerly queue up to contribute their own star-studded cameos featuring—you guessed it—the one true superfantabulous leader. Because nothing screams "humble servant of God" quite like turning your personal calling into a viral dream meme that everyone suddenly starts replicating. How convenient. How utterly organic. How utterly like "coercive persuasion"
Coercive Persuasion: A term sometimes used to describe the psychological manipulation or "brainwashing" techniques used in some high-control groups.
Keep those dream journals handy, brethren in Africa and beyond—the Great Bwana needs fresh content for the next round of "proof" posts. After all, in the grand tradition of Acts 2:17, God is pouring out His Spirit... or at least that's what the reposts keep insisting.
Dear pastor
Greetings pastor. I believe you are doing good though you are having great thrust of fulfilling Matthew 28:19 of which we must do before the return of Christ. …
I had two dreams
1. Before our family joined CCOG my father was then working with voice in the Wilderness Church of God. When I was sleeping I had a dream and in my dream I saw a light and the light was not normal, the one who was standing by the was You pastor Bob according to my dream. Then I had voice shouting, “Arise you who are sleeping, for the Lord is near.” I again I heard another voice shouting, “Come up Evans and let us do the work we are called to do.” I then saw a man dressed in white clothes join hands with my father walking together towards a very big lake then I woke up.
2: In my second dream some weeks after my first dream and in my second dream I saw almost the same dream and now this was in New Zealand. I did not know about the CCOG group in New Zealand before I had the dream.
Fred
23 comments:
This is so stupid, that Bob Thiel would even want to announce this again - anything that the Africans dream for him is definitely not even a dream- they saw this crazy Muzungu and knew they could tap into this big head wanna be Prophet dreams of greatness. This Ocheings aka Big Boss Evans son Fred who now wants to be a Deacon after 10 years ago of having this dream vision saying he never heard of Bob Thiel or his New Zealand few church members is a liar and Conn man like his brother Bradox and not even a good liar. But hey he's learning from his scum Gold fever Witchdoctor madness no good Adulterating Father!!!!! All he did was look up Thiels info on a internet cafe in his home town in Kenya and read that Thiel had Members in New Zealand -This is a common practice in Africa 🌍 -best way is try to start your own church to sucker the bleeding heart ❤️ Muzungus to cough up their Monies. You think Bob could come up with a more believable story, but no......were expected to believe this B.S🤣🤣🤣🤣. Bob at least come up with more believable dreams and at least get fake pictures of your so called thousands in Malawi!!!! You then might get your income to go up via stupid brain dead Muzungus. I believe this son of Ocheing was the one Evans was praising years ago on the electronic CCOG forum , saying he was accepted into the Kenyan Military. Evans was so stupid to remember that most churches of God don't believe in Military service.Sasha Veljic brought this up and alerted Bob- nothing was said again about this Dream boy Fred until now 🤣🤣🤣. Hey Any former CCOG electronic forum members remember this Crazy Papa Evans moment? So any sane person with half a brain can figure out Thiel has lost it and can't be believed or trusted on anything he says about himself being a Prophet or his African fake cult......Bob your really trying to hard to convince people your legit.....Best to concentrate on getting those thousands in the USA. You can then say you have a work then.....
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Fred left out the part of the dream where the mousy White doctor could pay his father better than the Wilderness Church of God could.
If a dream was in the place of New Zealand surely some sheep ought have featured?
I then saw a man dressed in white clothes join hands with my father walking together towards a very big lake
The joke is on Bob. What if that lake was the Lake of Fire?
Bob's ego is huge and fragile, but he is toying with his own salvation by improperly presenting himself as a prophet in special communion with God, allowing himself to be deceived by grifters who know how to flatter Bob's ego by supporting his delusion.
Wouldn't it be interesting to know what Jesus, in human incarnation, might have dreamed? That would certainly set the ultimate standard, would it not?
I believe that above all things, what we learn from our dreams relates to our own mental condition. It's like every night is Kenny Rogers time, as in "Just Dropped In To See What Condition My Condition Was In." There was a time, years ago, when I was so dissatisfied with my lot in life that I slept a lot, deliberately, because I preferred what I was living in my nocturnal realities than in my daily, living, breathing, conscious experiences. This was in spite of the fact that there were occasional, very frightening nightmares, many of which were based upon my worst fears. Even those were instructive.
To the degree that my recovery from Armstrongism has progressed towards completion, my dreams over the years have become experiences in which my mind takes me through activities and experiences reflecting a me in my best version. Careful. Problem solver. Competent in dealing with danger. Natural blender, who reacts positively to others, often with complete strangers, although people who once were the primary focus of my life also make recurring appearances. I used to have dreams in which I could fly, or dreams where I was propelled back into high school, and could not remember the combination to my locker, or my class schedule. There were occasional dreams in which I had gotten a haircut, found myself wearing clothing styles I hadn't even thought of for years, and had returned to Ambassador College for some reason or other, and immediately felt trapped, forced into a career I did not want in the ministry, realizing I had made a horrible mistake as life began to really suck again. What nightmares those were! Woke up in a cold sweat!
Over the years, I have come to believe that our dreams are simply a nightly reboot, one in which our real time life experiences are processed and filed so that we can continue a sane and rational life. They are experienced in the first person, by what we perceive as our "core" us. They also provide relief from the stressful situations which we all experience, an alternative which inspires the hope that things can be better!
As for people who have dreams in which they are somehow the chosen one, unless they actually are Jesus, I can't begin to fathom the sheer implications inherent in that, the depths to which their psyches have descended, or the fact that they actually take those dreams seriously, using them as a pattern for their lives. Dreams can often reflect a wounded soul, a frantic grasp for compensation and relief from that damage. For those people, as Cheech Marin once quipped, "See ya! Wouldn't wanna be ya!"
BB
OK! In the inimitable words of the brothers Fairbrass (Right Said Fred):
"I'm too sexy for my cat!
Too sexy for my cat!
Poor pussy, poor pussycat!
I'm too sexy for my love
Too sexy for my love
Love's going to leave me!"
When Jesus had dreams, did He dream that he was Bob Thiel?
Bobs dreams at best are Demon delivery by his brown nosing African Witchdoctors. He can't handle that a former Australian CCOG member did have a real vision dream. I can't go into details here, only to say it was an accurate dream involving a well known historical event, but of course this dream didn't involve Bob in any way., so guess what Bob said to the former member- it's most likely from SATAN. This man in Australia is super humble and in no way thinks he's a Prophet- Bob used this Mans articles he had written to Bob, without giving the Man credit, he also made this man wait 7 years to get baptized, even though Mr Bobby was sending thousands to his Henchmen in Africa 🌍; also this Man lost his Job and couldn't afford Medical bills or beds for his children. Guess what Bob did? Absolutely nothing, not 1 penny, but Mr Thiel did say he would offer prayers. This is BOBBISM in Action- Deny help to legitimate Caucasian members, and give favoritism to Brown Nosing Witchdoctors , because they're giving you Fake dreams, fake numbers, and fake hero worship to Conn your stupid you know what!!!! Bob you really should be ashamed of your Actions.. how do you sleep at night, oh I forgot the Witchdoctor sleep spells.👹👹👹😈😈😭🤪
Can Freddie Ochieng straighten out his wayward brother Bradox? (cousin, brother, whatever).
Two key themes in the dream? Asleep and idle -- which is applicable to most of us in the church.
Why go to a lake unless you need to get baptized?
So you want to preach the gospel to the world but you yourself need to believe and be baptized?
I don't know Bob. Is he married? If so, what is his wife like? Is his quack remedy store making any money? Anyone who promotes "alternative" medicine is not a very good critical thinker. I can't trust his medical advice, how can I trust him with spiritual advice? His profession disqualifies him being a leader in a church.
Could it have been Bob Prevost of Dolton, IL in white
But who is Ted
Steve Jobs tried alternate medicine for his medical condition. It didn't work and because of this delay, it was too late for conventional medicine that probably would have saved his life.
Run far away from CCOG, unless you have a dream about paying and playing with those village girls and Witchdoctors and if Bobs in the Drean It was a revelation and confirmation about Bobs Malawian free for all.
Ted is of course GTA.GarnerTed Armstrong. Sources just came forward and said Garner ted had a dream in 1969. In the dream he was in Africa and saw a bunch of naked village girls and Witchdoctors dancing around a shorter White Man that was yelling im a Prophet, I'm a Prophet. Now this dream is confirmed. Dr Bob Thiel is that Prophet
Religious fanatics tell lies about their dreams. Lying is an epidemic these days, liars are smooth, so lying about religious dreams is common.
Don't blame it on alternative medicine, 4:03. He had the condition for 8 years. Lots of time to think it through. He had a liver transplant 2 years before dying. Apparently, he delayed surgery on the prostate 9 months after diagnosis, yet he lived 8 years in total, meaning that what he did (or what God did) helped extend his life beyond expectation. So he did try conventional medicine. So for you to say, well, Steve, "you could have lived longer" is nonsense, trying in vain to pin his hopes on CM in order to save a life that already had been extended beyond expectation for such an illness, as if CM is like a god that you have to sacrifice to in time in order to receive your petition.
Long life in the body isn't the purpose of life. Even those who Christ miraculously healed died and were buried. Either you trust God for your healing or you don't. Medical advice is no different from getting spiritual advice. There is some bad and some good. On top of this, God has a time limit for your life. Whether you go 120 years in good health or 60 years with illnesses doesn't matter. What matters is that we fear God, obey the gospel, and keep His commandments, and acknowledge His healing unto faith.
Otherwise, you won't live long the second time around either.
Look, there actually is a legitimate field of Naturopathic Medicine. I know this because one of my long-term clients is a university, which confers degrees in this science, including doctorates. One of my siblings is a doctor in a different branch of medicine, and what I've seen on my client's campus is very similar to what he described to me as the educational processes leading to degrees in his own branch of medicine. The students work with cadavers, and study blood and tissue analytics. They study the human body and its workings in great detail, including the things which can go wrong.
Many people assume that when you visit your local healthfood store, describe symptoms to the sales person, and he or she takes a good guess as to what your deficiencies might be, you are practicing naturopathic medicine. But that is nothing like getting a blood analysis which pinpoints your needs, and obtaining the specific supplements which will correct those deficiencies. This is what the authentic naturopath will do! As in the field of chiropractic, a true professional will recognize the areas in which he or she is not equipped to treat a patient, areas in which a physician who is licensed to perform life-saving operations or to prescribe medications is the correct professional to get the job done. A credentialed doctor of naturopathic medicine who has taken the Hypocratic Oath, as an example, will not recommend doubling up on your vitamin C to cure a bout with syphilis. He's going to refer you to an MD who can run the proper tests and prescribe the correct antibiotics. The snake oil quack may tell you to take vitamin C and drink cranberry juice for an STD. The quack who would do this is actually practicing medicine without a license, which is both illegal and unethical. And as we have all learned, such a quack bears an uncanny resemblance to the false prophets we've all had to deal with as a result of our exposure to Armstrongism! Either or both can really mess up your life, if you allow it.
U no who IR by the style, but I have to protect the identities of my custo and my sib!
The Hippocratic Oath is manifestly pagan. Has Dr. Bob taken it?
Fer crap sake! Your mother was pagan and you don't even know how!
a guess is : D.D. (IR) "ur"
11:02:00, well there is a lake to go to, also...of : 🔥
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