Gerald Flurry launched the Philadelphia Church of God (PCG) in 1989 after being disfellowshipped from the Worldwide Church of God amid its doctrinal shifts following Herbert W. Armstrong’s death. He positioned PCG as the sole faithful “Philadelphia era” remnant of Revelation 3, with himself as the end-time “That Prophet” — God’s exclusive messenger receiving fresh revelation. What began as a tiny splinter meeting in a home has ballooned into a high-control, authoritarian empire sustained by mandatory three-tithe demands (roughly 20–30% of gross income, plus endless “special offerings,” “sacrifices,” and guilt-driven pledges). This funds an opulent headquarters in Edmond, Oklahoma, featuring Herbert W. Armstrong College and the $25 million Armstrong Auditorium — a gleaming performing-arts venue critics universally label a lavish money pit that drains members while leaders live large.
PCG’s foundational “revelation” — Flurry’s booklet Malachi’s Message to God’s Church Today — launched the group by denouncing WCG changes. Yet documented evidence from ex-members and Jules Dervaes himself shows Flurry plagiarized large portions from Dervaes’ earlier Letters to Laodicea (seven letters mailed 1986–1988 to 237 WCG ministers, including Flurry). Dervaes sent Flurry a certified letter on September 26, 1990, with proof of delivery, accusing him of direct plagiarism. Side-by-side comparisons reveal verbatim and near-verbatim lifts. PCG still markets the book as pure divine prophecy from God.
Flurry’s “new revelations” have escalated into outright megalomania. In 2002, PCG retrieved Armstrong’s humble Oregon prayer rock. By 2017, Flurry announced it is now the new Stone of Destiny, replacing Britain’s traditional coronation stone. Citing Micah 2:12–13, he declared the Throne of David has physically and spiritually relocated to Edmond, Oklahoma. Flurry himself is the literal “king” on this throne until Christ returns to it for coronation as King of Kings. He claims he will personally deliver the final message to Jesus at His return, has asserted he will still be alive then, and touts “prophetic accuracy” as proof of his office — despite a long trail of failed predictions (Obama as America’s last president, specific Trump timelines retrofitted after losses, Benedict XVI’s end-time role derailed by Francis, repeated “no gap” Amos 7 timelines quietly revised).
Minister’s Advice on Disabled Child and Tithing
Yes, this incident is documented in critical Armstrongist sources. A PCG minister reportedly told a family with a disabled/special-needs child to take the child to a shopping mall and abandon him/her there so the state would assume care—freeing up the family’s money for tithing to the church instead of medical/support costs. Critics cite this as an extreme example of tithing pressure (PCG requires first, second, and third tithes—roughly 20-30% of gross income—plus offerings and “sacrifice” for special projects). PCG has not publicly addressed this specific allegation, but tithing is non-negotiable and framed as obedience to God.
Financial Exploitation, Nepotism, and Lavish Hypocrisy at Members’ Expense
PCG extracts tithes even on pensions and pressures families relentlessly. Ex-members describe door-to-door tithing collections when you fail to mail in tithe checks promptly and sermons linking non-payment to curses or disfellowshipment.
PCG owns a Gulfstream G450 private jet (the “Righteous Ride”), acquired in the mid-2010s so Flurry and top leaders never have to sit next to the “public” on commercial flights. The same jet shuttles son Stephen Flurry, his wife Amy, and their children (including star dancers and choreographers Jude and Vienna Flurry) worldwide for Irish-dance competitions and Celtic Throne performances — a costly road show the church ties to “King David’s dance” and British-Israelite claims. Professional Irish dance coaches are hired, and Flurry’s grandchildren Grant and Paris Turgeon have been employed full-time as “airline stewards” on the jet, complete with PCG-paid training vacations. Ex-members call it blatant nepotism while ordinary members are told to “sacrifice.”
The money pit deepens: Armstrong Auditorium alone cost $25 million. In 2014, PCG bought Edstone Hall in England for $4.5 million (after locals blocked purchase of the old Bricket Wood Ambassador College site due to “cult” concerns). Extensive renovations (tennis court, soccer field) followed, yet by 2025 Edstone was quietly listed for sale at £6 million amid financial strain. Flurry continues promoting excavations at Ireland’s Hill of Tara for the buried Ark of the Covenant as end-time “proof.”
Flurry’s Personal Hypocrisy: The 1993 Drunken Arrest and Church Cover-Up
While preaching strict Sabbath observance, sobriety, and moral purity, Flurry himself was arrested in 1993 for public intoxication. Oklahoma police report #93-090-5282 details Flurry found drunk on the Sabbath, passed out behind the wheel of his car. Beer cans were piled outside the door, an open one in his crotch, and more scattered on the seat. He attempted to bribe the arresting officer $25 (some accounts say $20) to avoid jail. He was booked, taken to county jail, and faced charges.
PCG never told members the truth. The official line minimized it to “a couple of empty beer containers in his car” and even suggested the officer was a disgruntled WCG member out to persecute God’s apostle. When the full police report surfaced in 2008 (via FOX25 news exposé), Flurry and the church downplayed it as an isolated incident from 15 years earlier. Flurry later admitted alcohol “was getting in his way,” but the cover-up exposed the two-tiered morality: members face disfellowshipment for minor infractions while the “That Prophet” gets a pass and a sanitized story.
Authoritarian “Gestapo” Enforcers: Ministers Who Destroy Lives
Flurry’s inner circle — routinely called “Gerald Flurry’s Gestapo” by ex-members — includes son-in-law Wayne Turgeon, Cal Culpepper, Fred Dattolo (Dattalo), Brian Davis, and others. These ministers read personal “sin files,” use abusive language, threaten disfellowshipment for questioning authority, and enforce total control over members’ lives (moves, dating, jobs, medical decisions, even home inspections).
Wayne Turgeon (Flurry’s son-in-law and headquarters minister) is a prime example: described as intimidating, reading Exit and Support Network letters aloud to mock ex-members’ pain, and blocking member relocations without headquarters approval. In one sermon, he ridiculed an anonymous letter about ministers acting like the “KGB,” then disfellowshipped the writer when identified. Ex-members report Turgeon’s hypocrisy — e.g., boasting about harassing airport workers while preaching obedience to government.
Cal Culpepper (longtime regional director) has a documented “trail of destruction.” He pressures divorces (including the publicized Scott Flory/“Cal Flory” scandal), conducts home interviews to assess finances, and ruthlessly enforces no-contact. Ex-members call him tyrannical; letters detail families shattered, members interviewed like suspects, and lives ruined by his interventions.
Fred Dattolo enforces no-contact with equal zeal, disfellowships members for “not having the Holy Spirit,” and coerces offerings in sermons that guilt-trip the faithful. He was directly involved in cases leading to suicides.
These ministers operate with impunity, enjoying luxury while members suffer. There are two sets of rules: one for the Flurry/Turgeon inner circle (jets, high salaries, special medical leniency) and another for the rank-and-file (no medicine in some cases, total financial sacrifice).
The No-Contact Policy and the Trail of Suicides
Flurry’s 2007 sermon hardened the policy: zero contact with disfellowshipped or “Laodicean” members — including parents, siblings, and adult children (spouses sometimes excepted). This “emotional murder” has destroyed countless families. Ex-members document relentless isolation, fear of the Tribulation, and ministerial overreach as direct contributors to despair.
The human cost is horrific and well-documented. In 2014, 30-year-old Janet DeGenero/Privratsky (Degenerro) committed suicide after Dattolo ordered her to move out and Culpepper enforced total family cutoff; her family blamed Flurry, the ministers, and the policy. In 2018, 25-year PCG veteran Mary Ann McCullough killed herself in Milton, Ontario, while her husband and son were at services; her family publicly condemned the church’s “vile doctrines” and “dictatorship.” Philippines cases (Errol Concepcion, Rodolfo Marquez, Orville Lilangan) and others (a young man named David in 2016) add to the toll. Ex-member networks describe “countless” more suicides and attempts, with PCG blaming “weakness of mind and character” or lack of the Holy Spirit rather than its own abusive environment.
Additional abuses include forcing women in abusive marriages to stay (or leave) on ministerial orders, disfellowshipping for doubting Flurry, and using end-time terror to extract funds. Ministers explode over minor corrections and label questioners “insubordinate.”
Desire to Dig at Hill of Tara for the Ark of the Covenant
PCG’s teachings (rooted in British Israelism) hold that the Ark of the Covenant and the Ten Commandments tablets were taken to Ireland by the prophet Jeremiah and buried at the Hill of Tara with an Israelite princess (Tea-Tephi). They publish articles referencing this and prophesying the Ark will soon be found. Historical British-Israelite groups actually excavated at Tara (1899–1902) seeking it. Flurry has not launched a new dig, but the group keeps the Tara/Ark narrative alive in prophecy material as end-time proof of their Israelite identity.
Yes, this incident is documented in critical Armstrongist sources. A PCG minister reportedly told a family with a disabled/special-needs child to take the child to a shopping mall and abandon him/her there so the state would assume care—freeing up the family’s money for tithing to the church instead of medical/support costs. Critics cite this as an extreme example of tithing pressure (PCG requires first, second, and third tithes—roughly 20-30% of gross income—plus offerings and “sacrifice” for special projects). PCG has not publicly addressed this specific allegation, but tithing is non-negotiable and framed as obedience to God.
Financial Exploitation, Nepotism, and Lavish Hypocrisy at Members’ Expense
PCG extracts tithes even on pensions and pressures families relentlessly. Ex-members describe door-to-door tithing collections when you fail to mail in tithe checks promptly and sermons linking non-payment to curses or disfellowshipment.
PCG owns a Gulfstream G450 private jet (the “Righteous Ride”), acquired in the mid-2010s so Flurry and top leaders never have to sit next to the “public” on commercial flights. The same jet shuttles son Stephen Flurry, his wife Amy, and their children (including star dancers and choreographers Jude and Vienna Flurry) worldwide for Irish-dance competitions and Celtic Throne performances — a costly road show the church ties to “King David’s dance” and British-Israelite claims. Professional Irish dance coaches are hired, and Flurry’s grandchildren Grant and Paris Turgeon have been employed full-time as “airline stewards” on the jet, complete with PCG-paid training vacations. Ex-members call it blatant nepotism while ordinary members are told to “sacrifice.”
The money pit deepens: Armstrong Auditorium alone cost $25 million. In 2014, PCG bought Edstone Hall in England for $4.5 million (after locals blocked purchase of the old Bricket Wood Ambassador College site due to “cult” concerns). Extensive renovations (tennis court, soccer field) followed, yet by 2025 Edstone was quietly listed for sale at £6 million amid financial strain. Flurry continues promoting excavations at Ireland’s Hill of Tara for the buried Ark of the Covenant as end-time “proof.”
Flurry’s Personal Hypocrisy: The 1993 Drunken Arrest and Church Cover-Up
While preaching strict Sabbath observance, sobriety, and moral purity, Flurry himself was arrested in 1993 for public intoxication. Oklahoma police report #93-090-5282 details Flurry found drunk on the Sabbath, passed out behind the wheel of his car. Beer cans were piled outside the door, an open one in his crotch, and more scattered on the seat. He attempted to bribe the arresting officer $25 (some accounts say $20) to avoid jail. He was booked, taken to county jail, and faced charges.
PCG never told members the truth. The official line minimized it to “a couple of empty beer containers in his car” and even suggested the officer was a disgruntled WCG member out to persecute God’s apostle. When the full police report surfaced in 2008 (via FOX25 news exposé), Flurry and the church downplayed it as an isolated incident from 15 years earlier. Flurry later admitted alcohol “was getting in his way,” but the cover-up exposed the two-tiered morality: members face disfellowshipment for minor infractions while the “That Prophet” gets a pass and a sanitized story.
Authoritarian “Gestapo” Enforcers: Ministers Who Destroy Lives
Flurry’s inner circle — routinely called “Gerald Flurry’s Gestapo” by ex-members — includes son-in-law Wayne Turgeon, Cal Culpepper, Fred Dattolo (Dattalo), Brian Davis, and others. These ministers read personal “sin files,” use abusive language, threaten disfellowshipment for questioning authority, and enforce total control over members’ lives (moves, dating, jobs, medical decisions, even home inspections).
Wayne Turgeon (Flurry’s son-in-law and headquarters minister) is a prime example: described as intimidating, reading Exit and Support Network letters aloud to mock ex-members’ pain, and blocking member relocations without headquarters approval. In one sermon, he ridiculed an anonymous letter about ministers acting like the “KGB,” then disfellowshipped the writer when identified. Ex-members report Turgeon’s hypocrisy — e.g., boasting about harassing airport workers while preaching obedience to government.
Cal Culpepper (longtime regional director) has a documented “trail of destruction.” He pressures divorces (including the publicized Scott Flory/“Cal Flory” scandal), conducts home interviews to assess finances, and ruthlessly enforces no-contact. Ex-members call him tyrannical; letters detail families shattered, members interviewed like suspects, and lives ruined by his interventions.
Fred Dattolo enforces no-contact with equal zeal, disfellowships members for “not having the Holy Spirit,” and coerces offerings in sermons that guilt-trip the faithful. He was directly involved in cases leading to suicides.
These ministers operate with impunity, enjoying luxury while members suffer. There are two sets of rules: one for the Flurry/Turgeon inner circle (jets, high salaries, special medical leniency) and another for the rank-and-file (no medicine in some cases, total financial sacrifice).
The No-Contact Policy and the Trail of Suicides
Flurry’s 2007 sermon hardened the policy: zero contact with disfellowshipped or “Laodicean” members — including parents, siblings, and adult children (spouses sometimes excepted). This “emotional murder” has destroyed countless families. Ex-members document relentless isolation, fear of the Tribulation, and ministerial overreach as direct contributors to despair.
The human cost is horrific and well-documented. In 2014, 30-year-old Janet DeGenero/Privratsky (Degenerro) committed suicide after Dattolo ordered her to move out and Culpepper enforced total family cutoff; her family blamed Flurry, the ministers, and the policy. In 2018, 25-year PCG veteran Mary Ann McCullough killed herself in Milton, Ontario, while her husband and son were at services; her family publicly condemned the church’s “vile doctrines” and “dictatorship.” Philippines cases (Errol Concepcion, Rodolfo Marquez, Orville Lilangan) and others (a young man named David in 2016) add to the toll. Ex-member networks describe “countless” more suicides and attempts, with PCG blaming “weakness of mind and character” or lack of the Holy Spirit rather than its own abusive environment.
Additional abuses include forcing women in abusive marriages to stay (or leave) on ministerial orders, disfellowshipping for doubting Flurry, and using end-time terror to extract funds. Ministers explode over minor corrections and label questioners “insubordinate.”
Aaron Eagle’s Wife Forced to Divorce Him
In 2014, PCG disfellowshipped Aaron Eagle. Flurry and minister Cal Culpepper reportedly pressured his wife to divorce him and offered her a job at headquarters to facilitate separation and keep her in the church. Ex-member accounts describe it as classic ministerial interference in marriages.
In 2014, PCG disfellowshipped Aaron Eagle. Flurry and minister Cal Culpepper reportedly pressured his wife to divorce him and offered her a job at headquarters to facilitate separation and keep her in the church. Ex-member accounts describe it as classic ministerial interference in marriages.
Cal Culpepper and the Scott Flory Divorce Scandal
Cal Culpepper (a high-ranking PCG regional director/minister) was involved in a publicized 2016–2017 scandal where he allegedly helped destroy the marriage of member Scott Flory. Critics accuse him of counseling or pressuring the. wife in ways that led to divorce, consistent with other accounts of ministerial overreach in PCG marriages. Culpepper hand-picked a new wife for Flory.
Cal Culpepper (a high-ranking PCG regional director/minister) was involved in a publicized 2016–2017 scandal where he allegedly helped destroy the marriage of member Scott Flory. Critics accuse him of counseling or pressuring the. wife in ways that led to divorce, consistent with other accounts of ministerial overreach in PCG marriages. Culpepper hand-picked a new wife for Flory.
Herbert Armstrong’s Prayer Rock
In 2002, PCG retrieved HWA’s “prayer rock” (a large stone in Oregon where Armstrong said he prayed and received inspiration early in his ministry) and placed it on their Edmond campus. Flurry has since elevated it dramatically: through new “revelation,” he teaches it is now the new Stone of Destiny (replacing the traditional one in Britain/Scotland). Jesus Christ will return to this rock to be crowned King of Kings on the new Throne of David. It is treated with near-sacred reverence in PCG literature and sermons.
In 2002, PCG retrieved HWA’s “prayer rock” (a large stone in Oregon where Armstrong said he prayed and received inspiration early in his ministry) and placed it on their Edmond campus. Flurry has since elevated it dramatically: through new “revelation,” he teaches it is now the new Stone of Destiny (replacing the traditional one in Britain/Scotland). Jesus Christ will return to this rock to be crowned King of Kings on the new Throne of David. It is treated with near-sacred reverence in PCG literature and sermons.
Desire to Dig at Hill of Tara for the Ark of the Covenant
PCG’s teachings (rooted in British Israelism) hold that the Ark of the Covenant and the Ten Commandments tablets were taken to Ireland by the prophet Jeremiah and buried at the Hill of Tara with an Israelite princess (Tea-Tephi). They publish articles referencing this and prophesying the Ark will soon be found. Historical British-Israelite groups actually excavated at Tara (1899–1902) seeking it. Flurry has not launched a new dig, but the group keeps the Tara/Ark narrative alive in prophecy material as end-time proof of their Israelite identity.
The Edstone England Debacle
PCG tried to buy the old WCG Ambassador College campus at Bricket Wood, England, but the owners/lessees refused (local planning issues and residents opposed a “cult” moving in). Instead, in 2014 they purchased Edstone Hall (a large art-deco mansion in Warwickshire) as their UK campus, regional office, and student housing. It was heavily renovated but later put up for sale (around 2025) amid reported financial pressures. It has been for sale for some time now, but no one is willing to dish out 6,000,000 BPS. This location was also chosen because it would place them close to Ireland so they could start excavating Hill Tara when they would expose to the world that the Ark of the Covenant is there and that the Bible is true.
Celtic Dance Road Show (“David’s Dance”)
PCG produces and tours Celtic Throne, a large-scale Irish/Celtic dance and musical theater show performed by Herbert W. Armstrong College students, staff, and members. It is explicitly tied to King David’s biblical dance, where he danced naked “before the Lord,” and PCG’s British-Israelite heritage claims. They have hired professional Irish dance coaches and invest significant resources (critics say millions in tithe money) in productions, tours, and performances at Armstrong Auditorium and elsewhere. Ex-members have called it bizarre and extravagant.
Conclusion: The Real Danger — and the Real Hope
Here’s the brutal truth: Gerald Flurry’s PCG isn’t just another quirky splinter group — it is a spiritually and morally bankrupt cult that systematically destroys lives while dressing itself in the stolen robes of divine authority. Families are ripped apart by the no-contact policy. Marriages are dismantled by Gestapo-style ministers like Turgeon, Culpepper, and Dattolo. Parents have been told to abandon disabled children at malls for the sake of “God’s Work.” Young people have taken their own lives after being shunned, isolated, and terrorized with end-time fear. All while Flurry sits on his prayer-rock throne in a $25 million auditorium, jetting his family around the world for Celtic dance shows, covering up his own public drunkenness and bribe attempt, and demanding more tithes from the broken.
This is not God’s Philadelphia remnant. This is a man-made empire of control, greed, plagiarism, and hypocrisy — where one self-crowned “king” lives like royalty on the financial and emotional wreckage of his followers.
But here is the good news, delivered with zero Flurry-style drama: If you are in PCG, or have family trapped there, there is real hope on the other side of the door.
Leaving this cult will not cost you your salvation. The idea that only Flurry’s little group is God’s “one true church” is a lie designed to keep you afraid and obedient. God is bigger than Edmond, Oklahoma. He is bigger than a Gulfstream jet, a Celtic dance troupe, or a rock pulled out of an Oregon field. Countless people have left PCG and found freedom, restored family relationships, mental health, financial stability, and a genuine relationship with God — without the fear, the guilt, or the constant shunning.
The prayer rock may still sit in Edmond, but the throne Flurry built on it rests on nothing but sand soaked in hypocrisy and heartbreak. When members finally walk away, the “kingdom” loses its power — and real life begins.
If you’re reading this and feeling trapped, know this: You are not alone. Support networks like the Exit & Support Network, ex-PCG forums, and professional counselors are ready to help. Your salvation was never Flurry’s to give or take away. The only thing you’ll truly lose by leaving is the chains.
PCG produces and tours Celtic Throne, a large-scale Irish/Celtic dance and musical theater show performed by Herbert W. Armstrong College students, staff, and members. It is explicitly tied to King David’s biblical dance, where he danced naked “before the Lord,” and PCG’s British-Israelite heritage claims. They have hired professional Irish dance coaches and invest significant resources (critics say millions in tithe money) in productions, tours, and performances at Armstrong Auditorium and elsewhere. Ex-members have called it bizarre and extravagant.
Conclusion: The Real Danger — and the Real Hope
Here’s the brutal truth: Gerald Flurry’s PCG isn’t just another quirky splinter group — it is a spiritually and morally bankrupt cult that systematically destroys lives while dressing itself in the stolen robes of divine authority. Families are ripped apart by the no-contact policy. Marriages are dismantled by Gestapo-style ministers like Turgeon, Culpepper, and Dattolo. Parents have been told to abandon disabled children at malls for the sake of “God’s Work.” Young people have taken their own lives after being shunned, isolated, and terrorized with end-time fear. All while Flurry sits on his prayer-rock throne in a $25 million auditorium, jetting his family around the world for Celtic dance shows, covering up his own public drunkenness and bribe attempt, and demanding more tithes from the broken.
This is not God’s Philadelphia remnant. This is a man-made empire of control, greed, plagiarism, and hypocrisy — where one self-crowned “king” lives like royalty on the financial and emotional wreckage of his followers.
But here is the good news, delivered with zero Flurry-style drama: If you are in PCG, or have family trapped there, there is real hope on the other side of the door.
Leaving this cult will not cost you your salvation. The idea that only Flurry’s little group is God’s “one true church” is a lie designed to keep you afraid and obedient. God is bigger than Edmond, Oklahoma. He is bigger than a Gulfstream jet, a Celtic dance troupe, or a rock pulled out of an Oregon field. Countless people have left PCG and found freedom, restored family relationships, mental health, financial stability, and a genuine relationship with God — without the fear, the guilt, or the constant shunning.
The prayer rock may still sit in Edmond, but the throne Flurry built on it rests on nothing but sand soaked in hypocrisy and heartbreak. When members finally walk away, the “kingdom” loses its power — and real life begins.
If you’re reading this and feeling trapped, know this: You are not alone. Support networks like the Exit & Support Network, ex-PCG forums, and professional counselors are ready to help. Your salvation was never Flurry’s to give or take away. The only thing you’ll truly lose by leaving is the chains.
Silent Pilgrim
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That FALSE Prophet
That Perverted Runt, Gerald R. Flurry, is the Satan-sent, Satan-directed, extremely deceitful, extremely vicious, FALSE prophet that Satan himself/herself/itself personally sent AGAINST the Worldwide Church of God people.
Gerald Flurry operates a Satanic Filth Cult where dirty old male, and filthy old female, sex maniacs, sex perverts, and predators like to “do so much for” and “try so hard to help” much younger members a fraction of their own age. The fucked-up old perverts go into frustrated, angry rages and get the younger members expelled from the PCG if they politely refuse to be “helped” by them.
The entire so-called “ministry” of the Philadelphia Church of Fraud, from top to bottom of the dung-heap, consists of godless bums who only know right from wrong just barely enough to always consistently do the wrong and support all evil.
Something I have taken note of over the years is about the destructive comments intended on this site. Frankly, so many of the are pretty descriptive of what has gone on, is going on ...... somebody identified on the site as 'Silent Pilgrim' has a lot of information, and much is probably accurate, which indicates he/them/her/it has a lot of info that I have not been party, but have lived part of it. What I have noticed is that so many either worked for the "Work", was a minister, but all had a closer affiliation than most regular folks who supported and 'grew up' in the RCG/WCG. One who claimed to be a minister for 22 years in the org, now declares to be an atheist. He has been accepted on this site as somewhat of an authority. Anyone who wants to disparage ----- even with facts, which I don't deny may well be true, are welcomed and seemingly honored. Question: What more can be destroyed? Bob Thiel, who no one has ever heard of? Flurry who is crazy, but no one knows who he is outside this site, not to mention Pack, (and admittedly, this 'watch' is entertaining!). Weinland? Good grief! Kitchens? NO ONE would know anything about their 'great work' without this site. My point being, is there anyone who provides a positive approach to the WAY ..... realizing that this site is based on destroying, (which may indeed need to be destroyed), but is there any positive messages other than hate Armstrong because ""I" have been so wronged? Maybe I have missed something along the way, but the only positive messages I remember comes from the 'self-admitted' non-practicing homosexual Lonnie, (along with his other names), in which he condemns wrong cog practices, and often offers something positive pointed toward salvation. Noticed he has not posted since 'non-positive', and 'non-silent' pilgrim has taken over the blog!
Old-timers who knew HWA in Oregon confirmed years ago that Flurry obtained the WRONG prayer rock! Flurry got scammed by people trying to curry favor with him dishonestly, and the truth is that HWA never prayed at the rock Flurry carried off to Edmond! A counterfeit rock for a counterfeit Prophet, how appropriate!
I for one, appreciate SP posts here. People need to be aware of the men leading Armstrongism today. They are not good.
You apparently ignore SP’s posts on grace and the New Covenant. What positive thing is there to say about Flurry? Pack? If there are positive things to say about these men then send the blog owners an article so we can all see what we have apparently missed.
Sam N, your complaint has been made many times on this blog. And so has the reply that this blog is called Banned by HWA. It's role is to expose the evils of Armstrongism and help its present and former members. Trying to rig the rules on this blog by insisting that only nice things be written is not appreciated.
Sam,
Ever hear of paragraphs? It looks like one big run-on sentence, making it hard to read.
Hola, Sam N! (Salmon?) It sounds from the tone of your comment as if you are still a participant in the Armstrong problem. We are indulging in our own 'great commission" here, which is to warn the world about Armstrongism. Perhaps this is not the blog for you.
I would hasten to remind you that there are two kinds of thinking. One is positive thinking, which of course we embrace as we attempt to correct something which has hurt so many people. We believe that they deserve to have much better lives! The other kind is suppository thinking. I don't know you, and have no idea if you are always this way, but your 1:55 contribution this afternoon appears to have been made from a navel observatory perspective.
HEY deceived (still????????)......Re: Bible commanded tithes......
There was never a "3rd" tithe, and never was a tithe for the poor, and never was a tithe every year to be given to others.
The Levites who received all the tithes (Num 18:21) were 2% of the population (Num 31:30) and were given 10% of the harvest every third year (Deut 14:28-29; 26:12), which is the equivalent of 3.33% every year which was enough for 2% of the population, and for the widow, foreigner, and fatherless.
The poor are to be cared for all the time (Deut 15:7-11).
Anonymous on Monday, May 11, 2026 at 2:19:12 PM PDT said … “Old-timers who knew HWA in Oregon confirmed years ago that Flurry obtained the WRONG prayer rock! Flurry got scammed by people trying to curry favor with him dishonestly, and the truth is that HWA never prayed at the rock Flurry carried off to Edmond! A counterfeit rock for a counterfeit Prophet, how appropriate!”
Deceivers like Flurry deceiving and being deceived.
Absolutely, completely, totally, 110% appropriate!!!
Question: What more can be destroyed?
Armstrongism has indeed effectively destroyed itself. Its claims to be doing some 'work' for God proven completely false. It joins a whole lot of others who have done the same. But, it is good to examine its deep flaws so that there be a record of the way in which unscrupulous people misuse scriptures to deceive and exploit.
Yes indeed It's no problem they got the wrong rock, it is fitting, as just about everything else they have is wrong too.
The poor are to be cared for all the time (Deut 15:7-11).
best not to let Flurry know though as he has a plane to maintain and a dance to attend.
AND....RE Feasts....
Three times (footsteps, pilgrimage - if your mule is stubborn at times better plan on 2 extra days to make the journey to/from Jerusalem from the north) shall you keep a feast (chag)......7 days of unleavened bread (UB), a Sunday Pentecost (Lev 23:10-16 with Joshua 5:10-12), and 7 days of the feast of ingathering (Ex 23:14-16), and, added later because of transgressions? (Gal 3:19) the fixed times (moed) of the annual sabbaths of trumpets, atonement, eighth day.
"Feasts" in Lev 23 is a mistranslation. The times listed in Lev 23 are fixed times (Hebrew moed - indicating a fixed calendar). The fixed times include the 3 feasts and the annual sabbaths, not feasts, of Tishri 1, 10, and 22.
But in Herbie's fantasy, er, fallacy, you're supposed to eat UB 8 days, not 7 (yes, including Passover - Ex 12:8, 14). The Passover feast, the 14th (Eze 45:21) is not listed in Ex 23 because it is the first day of UB. In Herbie's fallacy you celebrate a non-pilgrimage feast on the 14th and the very next day a pilgrimage feast. Huh? In Herbie's fallacy Christ comes on "Trumpets" and co-exists with Satan for 9-10 days until Satan is put away on "Atonement". Don't think that's gonna happen (Rev 20:1-3). In Herbie's fallacy is a fast/atonement a feast.
Utter hypocrite 3:43, for all you ever do is "rig the rules". This "Banned by HWA" blog by it's very name is a minister run hypocrites paradise. An overspill from the ministers forum.
What did Herbert ban ? What are you implying in the title? Banned applies to ministers doing the very opposite of what they are trusted to do.
This blog did not take the title "ex communicated" or "disfellowshipped" by HWA but took the word "Banned". Which in itself says alot, if people really think about the name because who really benefits from this blogs existence???
A lie told by HWA and the splinters is that members must keep the holy day convocations by attending a church. Not so. Members can keep these biblical convocations by fellowshipping with Christ and God the Father at home.
If a church is toxic and oppressive, members have the option of being a stay- at- home Christian. Ministers hate this since they love playing church, so it's unsurprising that they sneeringly call them independent Christians. They ignore that the fundamental definition of a Christian is one who follows Christ rather than one who attends a church.
Soundslike you are suffering from analphalactic shock
Butthurt, 11:28? Sounds as if you are suffering from analphalactic shock. Once again, who are these ministers? Prove your theory by naming names, or STFU.
Kudos to SP for this detailed article blog about the PCG. Well written, and 100% ACCURATE. There were also the financial disclosures for the UK, that was interesting. Edstone is a horrible mess, as it is still for sale, a dated wreck of a relic, that no one would invest in. There is no physical “work” in the UK or Latin America anymore, and the astronomical cost of jet fuel to still fly the elites around, as scores of members eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and ramen to fund the work of “That Profit” is egregious. Flurry funds his henchman, Turdgeon, Cultpicker, Duhvis, and Dudtello generously. Cultpicker got a RV out of the deal, so he can travel to terrorize and bully members.Their chief financial officer, Andrew Locher, died a few months ago. Dattolo took over. They called for a fast a couple of months ago. They borrowed money… assuming they are trying to hold on to what they have In Jerusalem, the property rental, and that holds all of Eliat Mazar’s archeological works. There’s no real “work” there either. The hand buttering they are doing at Hebrew University for favor and digging privileges to continue their search of David’s throne must be hefty.
They are starting another musical: Psalter II… as if the pagan Celtic Throne wasn’t enough to preach their gospel to the world.They are quietly putting out the Trumpet magazines in Doctor’s offices again. The internal racism is horrific. POC are getting DNA tests to prove their proximity to Celtic whiteness in order to date and marry within, because whites are the majority. Interracial marriages are forbidden. Many POC are unequally yoked with the only thing in common is skin complexion. Biracial people must make a racial choice when they choose to date and marry. They cannot “hop back” if the pickings are slim on either side. Ministers will also make the choice for you if your phenotype is dominant… (Asian, Black, Native). POC are reminded of Caanan’s sin, and mentions before the flood, the wrong types of eating and marrying and such was one of the reasons God flooded the earth. They believe interracial marriages was the “wrong “ types of giving in marriages. They also refer to Israel where the men had to give up their foreign wives and children. Most biracials are generally ostracized and not chosen by either race, because of this rhetoric, being called hybrid, and spend their lives in the cult being single, bridesmaids and spinsters. Children of color spend their PYC dances sitting along the benches, if there is no pairing as the white children dance and have fun. This is where the racial mindset begins and is taught… all in the name of “etiquette”. All of their photo ops are staged, to appear wholesome . It is lie. They lie about everything. The PCG is the most dangerous of all the GOG’s. I am happy that someone took the time to expand on this. The person is correct with everything. Their numbers are falling. They only have about 6 feast sites for 2026, where at one time, they had upwards of over 20. To the bloggers: Keep doing what you are doing. Keep exposing these psycho Cog’s.
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Many thanks 3:18 for taking the time to comment. Fascinating insight into PCG.
Take no notice of the rude grammar Nazi at 10:03. Manners 10:03 maketh a man/woman.
11:28. Some where there is an insane asylum looking for a lost inmate.
Thank you 11:28! These guys stand up in church and preach every Sabbath and then at sundown come on here and trash the church. They are all about to get exposed and then we will see them jump like rats off a sinking ship.
From an old Senior Scholastic cartoon:
Jimmy: "Mom! I just seen....."
Mom: (interrupting) "Jimmy! We've spoken about this before! Where's your grammar???"
Jimmy: "That's what I'm trying to tell you, Mom! I just seen her fall out the window!"
Thanks. 11:12. Insight on what the blogger posted. It’s important to put that out there for anyone in the PCG who is still there, contemplating on leaving- (they read these blogs) or people thinking about joining. The PCG cult is dangerous, that’s what should be more concerning- than to worry about some grammar a-hole. That grammar Nazi can fk off.
I asked this of my 2 adult children still in the PCG:
"Are you being pressured to send more $$$ to King Gerry and the royal family? As the membership plummets so does their lifestyles.
Do you believe King Gerry will be alive to “deliver the final message to Jesus Christ” like he said he would?
REMEMBER before HWA died we were told he would be alive when Christ returned. We were told if we didn’t believe that we didn’t have faith, and should leave the church. EVANGELIST Gerald Waterhouse told us that in one of his 3 hour talks when we were in Louisville.'
That is heartbreaking about those benches full of non-dancing children of color. I know friends who verify such in old WCG, so why wouldn't it still occur at PCG under the watchful eye of Cal Culpepper.
Bob says you can keep the convocation at home yourself by watching his Youtubes. Passover too. Except during FOT...then he says you better show up in person. Where does he draw the line?
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