The white paper argues that the pulpit is a stewardship of already-given revelation, not a license for the minister’s theories, conjectures, political opinions, or “restored” insights presented as if they carry the same weight as Scripture. Authority is derivative and contingent on fidelity to the text. When that line is crossed, the office becomes self-promotion, personality cult, and spiritual coercion. That framework sits in sharp tension with classic Armstrongism on both church government and the New Covenant.
Armstrongism’s view of the minister and the hierarchy
- Personality displacing the text (“cult of personality”).
- Opinion sanctified as revelation (“binding and loosing” used to settle extra-biblical or speculative matters).
- Coercive spiritual control (members’ decisions on marriage, health, employment, and even private Bible study were sometimes subordinated to ministerial judgment).
- Lack of real downward or peer accountability at the top.
The New Covenant tension
Armstrongism taught that the Old Covenant is ended, but the New Covenant has not yet been fully ratified (it is completed at the marriage supper / Christ’s return). In the meantime, Christians live under its terms: the law written on the heart by the Spirit, yet the Sabbath, annual holy days, tithing, clean-and-unclean meats, and other “spiritual” statutes remain binding. Salvation is by grace, but God “will not save anyone He cannot govern.” The ministry exists to teach and enforce that government.
Jeremiah 31 / Hebrews 8, however, describe a covenant in which “they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” and “no longer shall each one teach his neighbor.” The paper’s call for congregational biblical literacy, transparency about uncertain interpretations, and the congregation as a safeguard against pulpit abuse sits far closer to that New Covenant description than Armstrongism’s mediating hierarchy does. In the paper the Spirit and the public text are sufficient; the minister’s job is to read, give the sense, and apply—not to stand as the indispensable decoder of “restored truth.”
Armstrongism effectively keeps a strong teaching-and-governing priesthood in place while claiming the New Covenant is already operative in part. The paper treats that arrangement as an Old-Covenant-style mediation that the New Covenant was meant to relativize.
Where the paper and Armstrongism overlap—and where they cannot
Both sides can quote 2 Timothy 4:2, Nehemiah 8:8, and “it is written.” Both claim to reject speculation. The disagreement is over who decides what the text actually says and how much extra-biblical material (British-Israel identifications, successive church-era schemes, detailed prophetic timetables, binding administrative rulings) may be presented from the pulpit as if it were the plain teaching of Scripture.
The paper’s principles—textual control of the sermon, admission of uncertainty, doctrinal consistency checked against the whole canon, and accountability structures that include the congregation—would have constrained the very mechanism Armstrongism used to establish and maintain its distinctive doctrines. A minister who treated Armstrong’s unique restorations as non-negotiable revelation would, by the paper’s standard, be guilty of the malpractice it condemns.
Conversely, remaining Armstrongist groups would likely reply that the paper itself is a Protestant-leaning document that underestimates the New Testament offices and the need for unified government to prevent “every man doing what is right in his own eyes.” They would argue that their hierarchy is the biblical pattern and that dropping it produced the doctrinal collapse they saw after 1986.
The paper does not leave much room for that reply. It locates authority in the public, inspectable text rather than in a living office that claims to restore or bind what the text left implicit. That is a New Covenant move: the Word is no longer locked behind a specialized caste. Whether one accepts Armstrong’s restorations or not, the paper’s logic treats the elevation of any minister’s interpretive system into binding revelation as the very distortion it exists to prevent.
Each of these men has taken the sacred trust of the pulpit and converted it into a private franchise for ongoing revelation. They do not merely explain Scripture; they present themselves as the indispensable conduit through which God is now speaking things previously hidden or insufficiently understood. That is precisely the substitution of personal theory for biblical exposition that this paper condemns. It is opinion masquerading as revelation. It is the preacher becoming proprietor rather than steward.
Gerald Flurry has declared himself “That Prophet,” the last voice before Messiah, the conduit for revelation drawn from the major and minor prophets, Lamentations, Daniel, and Revelation. He has described hearing a voice that delivered new understanding about a “new throne of David.” The congregation is expected to receive these claims as the unfolding of God’s government, not as one man’s reading. That is the cult of personality this paper warned against, dressed in prophetic titles.
David Pack has claimed the offices of apostle and Elijah, then walked some of the claims back only to rebuild them under new language. For more than a decade his “Greatest Untold Story” series has reset dates for the Kingdom, the 1335 days, and Christ’s return—dates that have failed again and again. When the words do not come to pass, the explanation is always that the brethren misunderstood the timing or that “inspired preaching” is not the same as prophecy. Deuteronomy 18:22 does not grant that loophole. A man who repeatedly speaks in God’s name about events that do not occur is not a misunderstood steward. He is a false prophet. The pulpit becomes a mechanism of perpetual crisis and dependence. That is spiritual coercion.
Bob Thiel has constructed a prophetic résumé out of dreams, a “double-portion” anointing he interprets as the passing of the mantle, and the assertion that the Continuing Church of God uniquely displays the signs of Acts 2:17–18. Those who do not recognize his office risk missing protection in the hour of trial. The paper’s call for transparency of interpretation—admitting uncertainty rather than disguising it as revelation—is ignored. The minister’s private experiences become the new canon that the flock must accept.
All three men operate inside the Armstrongist assumption that God still funnels binding truth through a single hierarchical office. They have simply placed themselves at the apex. In doing so they invert the New Covenant itself. Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 describe a covenant in which the law is written on hearts and “they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” These leaders insist the opposite: the brethren cannot fully know until the man at the top decodes the next installment. That is not government of God. It is the older priesthood of mediators standing between the people and the finished Word.
The paper stated that to speculate beyond revelation is not creative theology—it is spiritual malpractice. These three have gone further. They have made the malpractice official doctrine. They have trained congregations to treat their evolving interpretations, failed predictions, and self-referential titles as the voice of God. That is deception of the brethren. It is an abuse of the very hierarchy they claim to represent. It is the pulpit used as a power structure rather than a sacred trust.
The remedy remains what this paper first declared: return the pulpit to what Scripture actually says. No new apostle, no end-time Elijah, no “That Prophet,” no dream-validated office is required for the church to hear God. The Word is already given. The Spirit already writes it on hearts. Any man who stands in the pulpit and says otherwise—who makes himself the necessary conduit—has ceased to be a steward and has become a liar. The call is not to a different personality at the top. The call is back to the text, to humility, and to the freedom the New Covenant already purchased.
Silent Pilgrim
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One of the issues that blinds many in Armstrongism regarding tithing is the context of tithing within a system that is top heavy in Old Covenant (like 70%) of the religion. This was the actual problem with worldwide involving their version of the gospel. The R/WCG declared the gospel was mainly (90%) about the Kingdom of God.
Instead of the main message or theme of the gospel being about Jesus Christ and how Christ can work within the christian, it was about the 1,000 reign of Christ ruling on earth (which is a part of the gospel) but that does nothing for the current christian as that is in the future. The Kingdom of God is the resolution of the gospel, but it’s not the entire gospel message. They made that the main theme of the gospel. Unfortunately the laity is forced to tithe to support another gospel (Gal 1:6-9). This is what Keith Slough mentions in his series on YT. When you really read the apostles and what they wrote concerning the gospel message, the majority of it regards Christ and what he did and is doing since He is High Priest.
So God gave the WCG a piece of their own medicine. Since they wanted an old covenant religion, he was displeased with them and he scattered them. So it doesn’t matter if you tithe or not, Armstorngism and their splinter group’s message is really hard to support in regards to tithing, because their message doesn’t translate or transfer things to the New Covenant such as Gen 12:1-3, but the apostles use this for the gospel Gal 3:7-8 & Acts 3:25-26 within the New Covenant. Now these ACOG ministers have bypassed this and just become "prophets." They've become prophets without divine correspondence (like the actual prophets found in scripture).
By focusing their “gospel message” so much on territories, boundaries, dominion, prophecy, genealogies (theirs) and reigning, they remain scattered in various groups.
Deuteronomy 4:27 And the Lord will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the Lord will drive you.
This is why actual Christian churches insist on a liturgical year and homilies as sermons. Typically these are standard to the denomination every week everywhere . They usually consist of an old testament passage and NT passage upon which the homily of the week is built. No wandering. No political BS. Stick to the text or out you go. They also run about 15 minutes max which is the length of the human attention span in church.
Given Nathan's background, this paper is probably aimed more at UCG ministers than the Flurry/Pack crowd.
Some of those ministers through the years didn't mind declaring pet prophetic theories and political views. (The late Ken Martin in Georgia had a reputation for this.)
They often did it during "announcements," when they made sure no tape was rolling that might wind up at the Home Office. And their congregations often encouraged it.
If you're going to speculate from the lectern, clearly label it that way.
Pet theories etc etc etc were certainly rife when I attended wwcog. Some of the more bizarre ones were…Russia controlling the western world’s weather patterns, plenty of Franz J Strauss ones, Poland was Elam and of course the much loved British Israelism theology and all that flowed from it, and of course some naughty theories about the Germans, etc etc etc. And I might add some good ones of our final place of training at Petra in Jordan. On the side I heard more than a few jokes about THE JEWS also lol. And friends relayed to me a few really antisemitic comments from ministers, they heard them say. It all made sense back then. A different world and time. The world we live in now is very different. And the Armstrong model and all that came with it doesn’t stack up now. What seemed like the gospel was often the polar opposite. Then there is the gospel itself. For many of us, seeing the scripture and gospel accounts free from the Armstrong lens in liberty and freedom. A huge burden has been lifted from us all.
Nathan is, of course, correct in his major premise. However, I don't see how you could incorporate that precept into the context of Armstrongism, a personality cult which is largely based upon the pet theories, interpretations, and opinions of Herbert W. Armstrong. Now, to even have such a system exist and appear rational, you have to have considerable clout, which is how and why the unfounded belief that HWA was a quasi-Biblical character, "God's Apostle" was introduced They spiked the Flavor Aid. and people fell for it. The ultimate trump card in any discussion amongst the brethren was always, "But, Mr. Armstrong says.........(insert HWA opinion here)!
HWA's decades long example is where all the little place holder monkeys from the splinter groups got the idea of giving themselves Biblical titles! At one time, the church could make it appear to some people that the odds were slightly in favor of HWA being right. Things which have come to light, and a different set of world events began to cause those odds to turn negative, starting in 1975, with 1995 providing another big hit. The splinter group leaders and Bob Thiel are not doing the current odds any favors, although they continue to spin it all like a spinning top.
Prevaricators put a narrative out there, and the more prevaricators repeat the same lies, the more the snowball grows. With the breakup of the Armstrong Movement into splinters the prevaricators took a 50-75% hit. So, in addition to the sheer implausibility of Armstrongism, there are fewer and fewer spreading the mantras each day. It has now taken a dive so deep into negative territory that the snowball cannot possibly recover in our lifetime, let alone surpass the original. People speak optimistically of a small group. The only reason people listen to a small group would be that people believe that the small group is correct. What would you do if a few judiciously placed mouse clicks totally blew away everything your little splinter says? I suspect that most continue believing it. It's comfortable, it's just that there won't ever be the crowds of new recruits you expect joining up. So, gradually your expectations lower.
Super small groups like under a couple thousand wouldnt the leaders ideas or theories not be something thats consumed on a regular basis?
My father is the leader of the RCG and Im to the point that all I care about is that hes sincere and not blowing cash on personal stuff. I was up there a month ago in Wadsworth for the first time since that campus came together and I assure you hes not blowing cash on personal stuff. Thats simply not the version of whats going on there that describes the scene whatsoever. I was relieved in that sense.
But the theology aspect of his bible/prophecy interpretation studies is definitely an issue right? I confronted that too. The answer is kind of simple in the sense that they all think time is imminent there. I guess if you dont think that then why are you there right? It was a challenge to contest it on that level.
The work is over...JC is inbound. Ok dad I hear you. Lets move on I suppose?
Ive struggled with this for years but also read recently that 1/2 of all evangelicals believe that Christ is going to return in their lifetime. Its kind of shocking to say that but its also a reality. Its a struggle to go along with that for me especially because of my position post HWA but if the major issue is that people are pushing the pedal on that sooner then how do you counter that right?
I kind of think at this point the theology is to the older folks with WWCG backgrounds to keep them involved. I think everybody on that aspect is wanting JC inbound before they hit the shed. I think it keeps these groups alive and breathing. But Ive said also that if you look at the total concentration of attendance in all the splinters its also kind of amazing how 30 years later after the WWCG breaking up the combined total of the groups is roughly where they started at! Thats better than christendom in general. The staying power of this movement is truly interesting to me
I know some of you will freak that Im DCP boy posting this but I dig Gary and Dennis and Marc and others here. Im not on a team. This site cracks me up how half of it is folks that dumped the whole thing and then theres the others that piss on the competition. Thats nuts to me about this place.
I say the best posters here are the ones that have a non emotional interesting take. About half yall. I walked out around 1992 so keep that in mind with what I post here. I love my family aunts and uncles and cousins.....all in no less than 4 of these splinters still involved but I also shake my head you can be assured
I wish I could interview more people that stayed involved after the splits. Like why? What was the incentive? Outsdie of the financial or status standpoint I find it difficult to understand why people stayed after the split up. It was weird how this carried on. The internet age makes it even more difficult to understand
Actually, sometimes, personal opinions and political BS can be snuck in even in a church that has a liturgical years and homllies as sermon. But, it's easier to do in a church that doesn't have that kind of structure. The fundamentalist and evangelical churches are rige with this kind of nonsense.
The church only paid lip service to "prove all things." Herb and his ministers were the real reference point. It was common on baptism requests for ministers to demand that the person renounce the questioning of church teachings. So if the church taught 2+ 2 = 5, the person had to believe it. This is the building on sand that Christ warned about. So when the house collapsed, scapegoat Joe Tkach was blamed, and splinters continue with the same flawed church culture.
Respecting the intellectual independence that would build the house built on rock, is pearls before swine with these churches.
Ken Martin did this in the Birmingham area also. I remember he was talking about the possible significance of the planetary alignment that occurred back in the early 1980s. It came and went and the only thing I remember was my dad talking to someone about the Kessler letter around that time frame
Yep, even in the splinters leadership, if you present the "prove all things" that oppose their teachings, on a certain topic, well then there's a good chance you can be kicked out of that organization. That's not leadership.
Just down the road from Ken was Rick Beam. He would do the same thing. Every week, at least half of the "announcements" time was him speculating. He was convinced the world was going to end in the year 2000 because of the Y2K "bug". Remember that? And here we are, 26 years later, still kicking. He had a lot of pet beliefs just like this. The amount of time he spent speculating each week from the pulpit was unreal.
The people who stayed with Armstrongism were the people who were permanently warped by it. It has become their de facto comfort level. One person's warping is another's conditioning. In a sense it's like regular workouts, or boxing. Eventually, you look forward to the pain. There are certainly other types of minimalists, masochists and ascetics.
BB
“Is the COG Pulpit a Place for Ministers to Air Their Pet Theories, Conjectures, Political Opinions or Restored Insights?”
Yes, of course it is. That is all they ever seem to do. Have you not been paying attention?
The problem is not confined to Armstrongism. It afflicts all religion and all dogma.
The problem is that this is a basic flaw of human nature. Since God had nothing to do with Herbert W. Amstrong or his current place-holders, all of their human flaws are going to be greatly exaggerated. It is terrible for all of the hapless people who trust them.
1960 article where Armstrong states that his public talk approving of listening to teachers outside of his church DOES NOT APPLY TO HIS MEMBERS: https://www.hwalibrary.com/cgi-bin/get/hwa.cgi?action=getmagazine&InfoID=1324739652&SearchWhat=KeyWord&SearchFor=Should%20we%20listen%20to%20others%201960&NoShow=&page=&return=search
1979 article where Armstrong states that his public talk of, “Don’t believe me; believe your Bible” DOES NOT APPLY TO HIS MEMBERS: https://www.hwalibrary.com/cgi-bin/get/hwa.cgi?action=getmagazine&InfoID=1374325663&GetMag=GN&byYear=1979&page=&return=magazines
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