What Do Gerald Flurry, Bob Thiel and Brian Davis Have In Common?

For several decades the rumours about Herbert Armstrong's past have swirled around from various sources with a lot of fiction and fact mixed together. One of the biggest accusations against Herbert was him committing incest with his daughter Dorothy.

The Philadelphia Church of God with its endless quest of making Herbert out to be the most incredible man in human history, so much so that he has become an idol to the Flurryite empire. In their eyes, the man was incapable of doing no wrong, whether it was from running a church, writing articles, preaching, or committing unspeakable acts.

In their church propaganda rag, Royal Vision, July August 2020, Brian Davis has emphatically DISPROVED all the rumors about Herbert. DISPROVED, I tell you!  DISPROVED! So let it be said, so let it be done.

Brian Davis, the bumbling buffoon, and wannabe right-hand man to Gerald Flurry says:

Can't get their stories straight?  This is hilarious coming from a church that is founded upon lies and led by professional liars, including the bumbling power-hungry Brian Davis.

The real reason Davis is wetting his knickers is that to discredit HWA is to discredit Gerald Flurry and all church teachings.  We can't have that now, can we?

Enter into this Bwana Bob Thiel. Davis quotes Thiel in his article.  This is a wet dream come true for Thiel. to have a heretical COG quote his as a legitimate source, he gets his name out to a wider audience and that audience has always looked at Thiel as LCG did, as an arrogant self-appointed blow-hard.

So, there you have it, again, Bwana Bob did extensive research and says it is not true. No real Christian would ever dare criticize or question the Great Bwana's, Afterall, he is THE AUTHORITY upon EVERYTHING!

How can anyone, knowing how these men have lied their way to the top of their cult churches, lied about their leadership roll as a supposed appointment from God, lie about dreams, visions and revelations from their gods.

Bwana Bob has written about this article and adds this:

The fact that Bwana Bob quotes Bob Petry as a source of "truth s laughable considering how crazy Petry has been over the years.

Given the track record of abuse dished out in the Worldwide Church of God under Armstrong's leadership and the minions under him, the appaling documented abuses of Philadelphia Church o God leaders against members, and the outright lies of Bob Thiel and his self-appointment and false blessings, is there ay reason for us to take these three men at their word? But now we are supposed to.

You can read Davis article here as a pdf of Thiel's page. Charges Against Herbert Armstrong-DISPROVED!

Binding and Loosing

Binding and Loosing

Banned by Hwa recently generated an interesting discussion regarding the Philadelphia Church of God's views on the human authority to bind and loosen relative to the church. (Gerald Flurry Upset Not All PCG Members Worship His "New Throne of David" Stone) According to PCOG, this authority is expansive and is largely confined to the "chief apostle" of the church.

But was the authority to bind and loosen intended to cover all of the teachings and work of the church? Does a human leader (or council) have the authority to change Divine directives, rituals, callings or mission statements? In short, does this authority give a human leader (or council) the power to supersede or change what God has commanded?

First, let's notice what Jesus told Peter after he had acknowledged that Jesus was the Messiah and God's son. We read: "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." - Matthew 16:19 For our purposes, it doesn't matter whether we interpret this passage as applying to a single man or group of men. Instead, we want to examine the parameters of this authority.

In this regard, it is interesting to note the narrow circumstances that Jesus attached to this teaching the next time he mentioned it. After pointing out how precious each one of the saints are to God, Jesus outlines the proper way to handle disagreements among them. In the eighteenth chapter of Matthew, we read: "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." - Matthew 18:15-20

In this passage, the authority to bind and loosen is clearly limited to resolving conflicts between God's people, and it is also implied that this authority is to be shared among those people. Notice too that there isn't any suggestion within this passage that this authority was to extend to other areas or give carte blanche to any human authority within the church to amend God's edicts or set policy.

Moreover, we know that an expansive interpretation of this authority is inconsistent with what Christ is reported to have told the Scribes and Pharisees just a few chapters prior to this. These religious leaders asked Christ why his disciples violated the traditions which their predecessors had enjoined on God's people. Christ responded: "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." - Matthew 15:3-9 In other words, human traditions (even those instituted by authorities designated by God) cannot supersede or change God's commandments!

In this connection, it is interesting to note that the Armstrong Churches of God would be among the first to point out that no man (or group of men) has the authority to change the day of worship, Divinely mandated rituals or nullify other directives of Almighty God. And, if this understanding applies to one of the chief proponents of a broad interpretation of the authority to bind and loosen (specifically, the Roman Catholic Church), it is hard to see how one could reasonably justify such a broad interpretation of this authority within any ACOG! Likewise, the ACOGs are quick to point out that it is God who calls and places people into His Church. They love to quote John 6:44 in this connection, and then turn around and claim the authority to put that person out of the church!

In the Old Testament, it is recorded that God instructed His people to do exactly what He told them to do, and to be very careful NOT to add to those instructions or take anything away from them (see Deuteronomy 12:32). Moreover, Christ is reported to have instructed his apostles: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." - Matthew 28:19-20

Hence, while the authority to bind and loosen enables the Church to deal with disagreements and conflicts between people, it does not confer on that body (or any individual) the power to supersede, change or negate God's clear instructions on a whole host of topics. And, any interpretation of this authority which confers such powers clearly contradicts the spirit and intent of the Scriptures that inform us about it.

Miller Jones

Living Church of God Is the Watchman...Out of which the prophet will arise

It is comforting to know that we have the Living Church of God to rely upon for the truth as it presents a FORCEFUL message to the world. They will be soon so powerful with that message that a prophet will arrive out of them. Bob Thiel must be getting excited!

The problem with this message is that it is the same one that Meredith and others have been spouting for decades and still nothing has happened.  But lo!  It is always just a few short years away.

The Church as a Watchman: Many churches today feel their sole mission is to tell the world that God loves everybody and that Jesus came to save sinners. While essentially true, there is much more to the biblical message. Jesus came preaching the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of God (Mark 1:14–15). Jesus also told His disciples to be alert and watch for specific events that would mark the approaching end of the age and His return to this earth to establish the Kingdom (Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21). These prophesied events—droughts, floods, famines, wars and spreading violence, religious confusion, and moral corruption—will be making news at the same time that we see the rise of a political power in Europe with definite links to the ancient Roman Empire. This power will be promoted by an ecumenical-minded Roman Church. This end-time European power will be confronted by a rising Arab-Islamic power in the Middle East (see Daniel 7and 11; Revelation 13). However, just as God raised up prophets to warn the ancient nations of Israel and Judah that their ungodly ways would bring serious consequences, the Church of God today has a similar mission to function as a watchman—to “Cry aloud, spare not” and warn modern Israelite nations of the coming consequences of their sinful ways (Ezekiel 2; 3; 33; Isaiah 58:1). Delivering this powerful warning message must accompany the preaching of the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of God.

Have a profitable Sabbath,

Douglas S. Winnail