Monday, May 6, 2024

Bob Thiel's Poor Theology Can't Sustain His Collapsing House of Cards



Bob Thiel's Preoccupation With My Posts About the Paleochristian Church


Although "Dr." Bob Thiel has written two posts and produced one video challenging my narrative about the First Century Church, he claims that Banned by HWA has mischaracterized his reaction as a "meltdown." Nevertheless, I am quite content to let my readers decide whether or not the Grand Poobah of the Continuing Church of God is obsessed with trying to disprove the alternative which I've offered to the Armstrong Churches of God's narrative about the Paleochristian Church. It does seem to me, however, that Bob's interest in attempting to refute my claims are related to a realization on his part that their narrative about the transition from Sabbath to Sunday is the foundation of the whole house of cards that is their theology. In other words, I suspect that Bob is smart enough to realize that the house of cards collapses when this particular card is removed.

Many years ago, Herbert Armstrong speculated that there had been a Grand Conspiracy engineered by Simon Magus and the Roman Catholic Church to hoodwink Christians into abandoning the teachings and practices of Jesus Christ and his apostles. According to this speculative narrative (which had no basis in Scripture or history), one of the chief means of leading believers away from "THE TRUTH" was the intentional substitution of Pagan days of worship for God's Sabbath and Holy Days by these evil conspirators - influenced, of course, by their favorite bad-boy, Satan the Devil! With a limited educational background and almost no awareness of the actual history, Herbie reasoned that there must have been a deliberate campaign to substitute Sunday for the Sabbath. How else to explain the fact that Christ and his disciples kept the Sabbath, while Catholics, Orthodox and Protestant Christians all kept Sunday? Completely ignoring the Christian writings from the First and Second Centuries which existed outside of the Biblical canon, he proposed that there had been a "lost" century, and that the Christianity which had emerged on the other side of this mini–Dark Age was completely different than the original - a "counterfeit" Christianity!

To support this false narrative, Bob has discounted and/or distorted all of the Scriptures and historical records which contradict it. For Bob, the Jerusalem Council referenced in the book of Acts did not eliminate Torah observance for Gentiles. For Bob, the Didache, the epistles attributed to Barnabas, and Ignatius weren't really speaking about the Lord's Day or Sunday - the translators had simply gotten it wrong - they had mistranslated the original Greek into English! Likewise, he ignores the fact that for Justin Martyr to have written in the middle of the Second Century that Sunday was the day that Christians gathered for worship, it would of necessity have had to have been the practice for many years prior. In other words, it must have been a long-standing tradition of the Church by that time. Moreover, his failure to understand that Christians would have had very good reason to revere Sunday based on the Gospels and Acts - Christ's resurrection and the founding of the Church both having occurred on that day of the week! Likewise, he seems to be completely oblivious to the impact that the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple had to have had on both the Jewish and Jewish Christian Community of the First Century. Instead, Bob chooses to focus on the Bar Kokhba Revolt early in the next century (which I'm sure contributed to the further suppression of Sabbath observance).

Bottom line, the old Adventist-Armstrongist narrative about Constantine and the Roman Catholic Church changing Sabbath to Sunday is not consistent with the available historical evidence. The Roman Church's authority to set Christian doctrine and practice was NOT widely recognized until the Fifth or Sixth Century. Likewise, the Emperor Constantine's famous decree about Sunday observance is recognized by most historians as an attempt at making religious practice within the Empire uniform and regular. In other words, the emperor could not have promulgated a decree of that nature which would upset what was already the established practice of the vast majority of his subjects, Christian and Pagan. Hence, I would encourage all of the folks in the Armstrong Churches of God to do their own research on this subject, and I would also encourage them to follow the evidence - not attempting to prove what you think you already know about the Paleochristian Church!

For those who may be interested, I invite you to explore the following:

Notice this excerpt from Early Christianity by Gaye Strathearn of Brigham Young University:

Christianity did not develop in a vacuum. The early church leaders operated in a world that was ever changing and expanding. During Jesus’s lifetime, the apostles were directed to concentrate solely on the house of Israel, but the post-resurrection ministry was fundamentally different. Expanding missionary work to include the Gentiles was a difficult transition—difficult to transition away from the law of Moses and difficult to transition into the Roman world. As Christianity grew, its adherents began to be found in all levels of society. Even so, its growth also led to significant challenges. While the Roman Empire was strong, Christianity’s political separatism and refusal to participate in the imperial religion were viewed as little more than irritants. But when the empire found itself in a state of crisis, as it did in the third century, Christianity was seen as the destabilizing force of the peace of the gods that threatened to destroy the empire.

Christianity’s other major challenge arose as it developed competing theologies. Initially, those competing theologies focused on the role of the law of Moses in the fledgling church. As it increasingly expanded into the Gentile world, however, those theologies were gradually replaced by differing philosophical interpretations. The resulting posturing of different Christianities to claim legitimacy became a divisive element that the Emperor Constantine could not tolerate in his realm. If Christianity was to receive state sanction and be the means of uniting his empire, then it would need to be united. In the fourth century and beyond, this led to numerous councils whose primary goal was to orchestrate that unity.

Notice this collection of Early Christian Writings from the early Church Fathers

You can also find many of those same writings at New Advent's The Fathers of the Church

Notice this excerpt from the Catholic Encyclopedia Online titled Sunday:

Sunday (Day of the Sun), as the name of the first day of the week, is derived from Egyptian astrology. The seven planets, known to us as Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the Sun, Venus, Mercury, and the Moon, each had an hour of the day assigned to them, and the planet which was regent during the first hour of any day of the week gave its name to that day (see CALENDAR). During the first and second century the week of seven days was introduced into Rome from Egypt, and the Roman names of the planets were given to each successive day. The Teutonic nations seem to have adopted the week as a division of time from the Romans, but they changed the Roman names into those of corresponding Teutonic deities. Hence the dies Solis became Sunday (German, Sonntag ). Sunday was the first day of the week according to the Jewish method of reckoning, but for Christians it began to take the place of the Jewish Sabbath in Apostolic times as the day set apart for the public and solemn worship of God. The practice of meeting together on the first day of the week for the celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice is indicated in Acts, xx 7; I Cor., xvi, 2; in Apoc., i, 10, it is called the Lord's day. In the Didache (xiv) the injunction is given: "On the Lord's Day come together and break bread. And give thanks (offer the Eucharist), after confessing your sins that your sacrifice may be pure". St. Ignatius (Ep. ad Magnes. ix) speaks of Christians as "no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also Our Life rose again". In the Epistle of Barnabas (xv) we read: "Wherefore, also, we keep the eight day (i.e. the first of the week) with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead".

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix

Bob Thiel Continues To Double Down On His Erroneous 1st Century Beliefs With New Video Whining About "Banned"


This endless shitshow on 1st Century Christianity by Bwana Bob is hilarious. Talk about hitting a nerve! Ho Boy, did we ever. Shame on you Lonnie!!!

Trouble Brewing In The Restored WCG


 

Why is it that every single splinter group leader has to claim that their "new" copycat version of the original Worldwide Church of God they have dreamed up is by and through the authority of Jesus Christ working in them? Despite JC supposedly working in and through them, every single article, booklet, website story, Facebook page, etc. is all about THEM. None of them can stop flapping their mouths about how great they are and how much work they do, how great their websites are, how great their videos are, etc., instead of focusing solely on Christ and his salvational work.

Every new alliteration of the mother church has had the chance to start over, do it right, and do it well. Sadly that has never happened as none of them can get rid of their narcissistic egos long enough to let Jesus get a word in.

We now are witnessing the implosion of yet another restored church and the very public breakup of a family.

This time it is the newly restored Worldwide Church of God and the Kitchen family.

The original wwcg-archives.com has been preserved.
I worked with my father, to raise up several YouTube Channels:
Some of those Youtube Channels raised up THROUGH ME, Samuel W Kitchen, and it was Jesus Christ through me, is the following list: "The Real Elijah TV", "Herbert W Armstrong TV Archives", "A Voice Cries Out- Herbert W Armstrong" and the "Worldwide Church of God Archives".
I brought my brother Timothy on board as an "Administrator" for those channels to assist me, but I lost control over my emails, and could no longer gain access to those YouTube Channels! So I went to my brother and asked him to add my new email address, so I could regain control. He told me NO. He also removed me from many Facebook pages, and blocked me.
And now, I see, as many of you have also seen, all the videos I worked on and uploaded, all the videos my dad worked on with me, are now gone. They've either been made private, or deleted.
Now my family used the domain "wwcg-archives.com" and so all the videos, and old publications and Facebook pages, which my Dad and I worked on, shared that domain.
I had found out recently, this domain was NO LONGER owned by my brother. It was DEAD IN THE WATER, and was up for sale by the hosting company. So I purchased it, and attached it to "worldwidechurchofgod.org", and once again it was ALIVE and being used by this work.
And because my brother saw that i had purchased it, and he no longer had control of it, he slandered me before the brethren, in order to change YOUR MIND against me.
And so now he has REMOVED the videos on my Youtube channels, all the World Tomorrow Videos, and Radio Programs, and Sermons I worked on and uploaded, and the programs my Dad and I worked on,(which has his voice over). Because those videos had "wwcg-archives.com" on them, my brother decided to SHUT DOWN those YouTube Channels.
IT WAS NOT HIS TO TOUCH! He was NOT over those YouTube Channels! He was only included to ASSIST ME.
But he booted me from the Facebook pages, and has refused my requests to be restored back to these YouTube Channels. He said, he would give it all back after he edits and changes them to go to his NEW website "wwcga.com".
I say new, because he started that rather recently on his own.
When our Father was alive, my brother was over administering the website "wwcg-archives.com". I was placed over the Social Media pages, and Youtube Channels, and over the PUBLISHING of the warning message on those medias.

This family breakdown is a result of the failed fiasco of the Kitchen family traveling to Jerusalem because they thought they would give a final warning there to unite the one true church and deliver a witness to the world. 

See:  

Kitchen Family Suffers Humiliating Setback In Jerusalem

God's Two Pillars Are Currently In Jerusalem At This Very Moment! 

Would You Help Build A Library In Petra Dedicated To The Worldwide Church of God And Herbert Armstrong?

Satan's Wrath Was Stirred Up In Petra September 2022 Causing Him To Soon Prohibit Loyal COG Members From Using Internet

Samuel continues: 

My brother, in anger, ROSE UP and KICKED ME OUT OF THEM, to have control of them, because he felt he was wronged on our trip to the middle east. So because he could do it, HE FEELS HE CAN DO IT.
I had to start again from scratch, and this has been a very troublesome time in my life. MY BROTHER, my TWIN BROTHER, as he admitted publicly, is no longer walking in agreement with me. I do not know exactly what he is in disagreement with. But that's what he said.
So he started a NEW ARCHIVES, and the one we had been using, the original, was thrown aside, and eventually made inaccessible to him.
Now, I had NOTHING TO DO with removing him from the wwcg-archives.com domain. The domain was almost LOST, and everything we used in the Work of God was going into DESTRUCTION, under the hand of my brother. His solution, was to start fresh.
While my hand was forced to start fresh WITHOUT MY BROTHER, because he separated from me, I have made the purchase to PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL WORK I've been involved with since 2005, at least.
My brother CHOSE to separate himself from me, and he chose to start fresh with a NEW WEBSITE, using what Jesus Christ raised up through my father and myself.
My father died April 15, 2021. Since then, I believe Christ has showing me what Satan did concerning God's Church after the death of Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong. It seems to be the exact thing step by step.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHO IS IN CHARGE! We ought to realize and KNOW JESUS CHRIST IS HEAD OF THE CHURCH, and HIS WORK!

How many damn times have we heard this? Look how far that has gotten all of us.

Anyway, on with the drama: 

Tim, is making it about who is in charge. I believe Jesus Christ is in charge. And if Tim comes with a right attitude, and repents before the Church, I will be so happy!

It is always someone else who has a bad attitude or is causing drama. It is never the self-appointed savior of the church. 

I am working hard, to encourage members to have a RIGHT ATTITUDE towards the ministry. As I believe the ministry of the Worldwide Church of God is being restored. I AM NOT IN CHARGE.
This is NOT the Church of Samuel W Kitchen! This is NOT the Church of Timothy J Kitchen Jr! This is NOT the Church of Herbert W Armstrong! IT IS THE CHURCH OF GOD! And it is known today as the Worldwide Church of God!
I am fighting with everything I have, to preserve the Worldwide Church of God and this work. People mock me, and try to weaponize my words to OFFEND Mr. Aaron Dean. Now I am talking OPENLY about Mr. Dean, as I have already gone to him PRIVATELY. This isn't behind his back. I am not trying to ROPE HIM IN. But out of all the Administrators with Mr. Armstrong, at that point in time, He seems to be the one God has picked and he is an ordained minister. He is not with the Worldwide Church of God anymore. He is attending with ANOTHER CHURCH, the United Church of God.
But he has been kind, and brings people to remember the lessons he learned from Mr. Armstrong. But he is waiting for God's servant to be raised up. So am I.
Out of all those examined by Mr. Armstrong to be the next Pastor General, He is the last. He actually was picked by Mr. Armstrong, but he claims he talked Mr. Armstrong out of making him the next pastor general.
Out of that casting of lots, as Samuel the prophet examined the sons of Jesse, Aaron Dean remains.

That is truly one of the dumbest things I have heard. 

And no HE WILL NOT MAKE HIMSELF the next Pastor General! And I think that is clear. If he is to be, then GOD WILL PLACE HIM THERE! And I feel, since I am involved with this work, I have to ENCOURAGE God's people to BE READY for that time, whether or not it is Aaron Dean!
These other Cog groups, are preparing the people to REJECT the government of God, because THEY DON'T WANT a single man in charge!
But we won't come back together through these other groups. IT WILL BE AS THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD! And that's what I am declaring! Now, did Jesus Christ send me to do that? Examine the fruits.

That is the same crap Bob Thiel pulled on everyone when he tried to justify his self-appointment. Gerald Flurry did it. Dave Pack has done it. It is revolting.

I've faced opposition. From Shirley and Earl Timmons, from Grace Communion International, from these COG groups, and from all these websites and new trademarks that have sprung up to STOP THIS WORK AND THIS CHURCH!
Family members were targeted and murdered because we had a FAMILY holding fast, and working together.
SO like Satan took out the patriarch, he took Dad out.
Now, he wants to DIVIDE the work, and to break up and destroy the Worldwide Church of God! But God does not work in MULTIPLE GROUPS! THE BODY AND WORK OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED!
Now my brother separated through disagreement. Please pray for him. I love him. But he took control of what was raised up through my dad and I, and is attempting to SHUT THE DOORS, by shutting the videos down, because things aren't directed to him.
I would love to direct things to his website and work in cooperation. I certainly wish it and pray for it.
But he has removed everything, when God's people need it most, out of bitterness towards a brother and because he has zero control over the archives now. Jesus Christ removed him. Now let's pray for his repentance, and his speedy return. But I felt you needed to know what has happened! Let us be ready with open arms when He returns! But let us not be distracted from the work set before us.
The Work of God must go on. and THE DOORS NO MAN CAN SHUT!

Woo Hoo!  Isn't Bob Thiel doing that? He thinks he is. Gerald Flurry claims he is. Our official COG felon, Ron Weinland claims he is. Gerald Weston, Viv Kubik, and most other COG splinter leaders all claim they are. If that door is unable to be shut why is the current state of the COG movement such a pathetic mess? 

So please pray brethren. Don't let Satan DIVIDE YOU to cause you to leave your calling, to be some other church. WE MUST BE READY!
I am blocked from my brother. But if you ask him anything, ask him to restore those videos with the wwcg-archives.com domain on them. I am not here to destroy it. I am seeking to preserve what was lost.
But if you can be my advocate in this perilous time, to my brother, perhaps he will see his error, and return. Take it to Christ, and please pray for the healing between us brothers. I don't see him as an enemy, but he is no longer with me, and has done some things he should not have done! He thought he was hurting me, but he is hurting the Church of God, and so I have to say something now for the sake of the Church.
Pray for him. Thank you Brethren,
In Christ's service,
Samuel W Kitchen