What's All This Talk About Qualifying?

"Rod must know that he has failed to qualify for the kingdom. His mental state can't be pretty."

The New Testament makes it very clear that the Apostles , in particular , Paul , broke up marriages, told young couples not to marry unless they just needed to avoid fornication, not plan for anything but the soon coming Kingdom of God, stay single like him because he was the best example and that not all would die but rather be changed and avoid the whole messy experience of death.  Peter promoted the deaths of a young church couple for holding back the proceeds from a sale and used it to put great fear in the church. All of this was done, "to qualify for the Kingdom of God."

And when it all didn't work out as advertised, Paul said, 

"For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing."

2 Timothy 4:6-7

As long as one obeys, prays, pays and stays in their particular split, splinter or sliver, this will be the near last words of every Church of God minister when the time comes for them personally.

This is what qualifies them right?

Bob Thiel Has Himself "Re-anointed" In An Attempt To Make Himself Appear More Legitimate

If you thought things can't get any crazier in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God with Almost arrested, Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Joshua, end time witness, apostle, prophet, further martyr, "worldwide" Overseer Bob Thiel, then you are in for some more fun!

The "worldwide" Overseer has never been properly ordained in a Church of God by a COG minister.  After he self-appointed himself, he used the prayer of Gaylyn Bonjour in an attempt to make himself a "legitimate" minister and splinter cult leader.   It was and  still is all a fraud.

Now he has to make himself important in the eyes of his 1,997 African members.  Second Witness Thiel has had to make up all kinds rules and doctrines for his new little cult. Due to his lack of ordination he has had to create a new rule in order to legitimize himself.  He has instituted  the  "round robin" ordination.  He ordains one of his African flock and then they ordain him.  Neither ordination is legitimate, but that does not matter.  He even resorts to "re-ordaining" some others that had been ordained by legitimate COG ministers.

In spite of this false prophet Thiel still has no legitimacy.  Just because a mentally struggling man has a few bad nightmares and a minister prays a blessing on him does not make him a legitimate church leader, or a Christian for that matter.

Before going to Nairobi, Pastor Evans Ochieng asked me to consider providing recognition of certain others who had previously been ordained.

So, I looked into this more.

Many do not realize that even though David was anointed king by Samuel, this was a private anointing (1 Samuel 9:27, 10:1; 16:9) and not accepted across Judea or Israel (despite the fact that God accepted it as He initiated it).

Saul actually tried to kill David at least twice after David had been anointed (1 Samuel 19:10-11, 20:33), and David decided that he had to flee for his life (1 Samuel 20:33-42).

Saul’s anointing was public and well known, but David’s apparently was not.

David was actually anointed king three times. The first via God through Samuel (1 Samuel 16:1-9), which was a fairly private affair.

The second time, years later and after Saul died, was by the men of Judah (2 Samuel 2:4). The third time was by the elders of Israel (2 Samuel 5:3).

So, we see a precedent where some have been anointed more than once for the same basic role, as well as being anointed by those of seemingly lessor positions.

With that in mind, the following were publicly re-anointed:

Rosemary Akinyi Ochieng, Deaconess
Samuel Ofusu Gyeabour, Overseer
Bob Thiel, Worldwide Overseer

We wanted all to realize that these individuals have been anointed and publicly recognized in their roles.

All the ordained and recognized were granted certificates of ordination and/or recognition. I signed all but one–mine, which was signed by Evans Ochieng Kisiengo and Samuel Ofosu Gyeabour (they had laid hands upon me for the public anointing).

No siree Bob!  No apostolic succession in your ordination!  No Sir!

Rod Meredith May Have Cancer

From LCG source:

Sent to ministers on Feb 14, 2017:

Dear Fellow Ministers: 

We want to keep you informed regarding Dr. Meredith’s health. He was taken to the hospital Thursday night after feeling exceptionally weak much of the day. He underwent several tests on Friday and was released and stayed home over the weekend and Monday. Early indications are that he has cancer, but he will be seeing a specialist today and perhaps undergo further tests, after which we expect to know more fully the nature of the problem. His mind is strong and he maintains a sense of humor, but he is weak and we expect that he will work from home this week. When we know more details we will pass them along and keep you informed. In the meantime, your prayers for Dr. Meredith are greatly appreciated. 

Regards,

Gerald Weston

My Church Is Even Greater Than Dave Pack's Superfantabulous Restored Church of God!!!!!!!!

Leave it to Almost arrested, Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Joshua, second witness, worldwide overseer, doubly-blessed, dreamer of dreams and self appointed prophet/apostle of the best Church of God to ever exist in human history, Bob Thiel, to wallow in the cesspool of narcissism that many other COG leaders are always in.  Even with all of the bloviating by Dave Pack and his superfantabulous Restored Church God, Pack cannot compare to the super amazing doubly-blessed Bob Thiel.

There has been no other Church of God in the history of the entire world that is as amazing as Bob Thiel's improperly named "continuing" Church of God.

Notice what he has said in a recap his whirlwind African conference trip:

The Continuing Church of God is, and has been, the fastest growing Church of God in the 21st century. We have greatly exceeded the 30% growth per year blessing that the old Radio/Worldwide Church of God once had...

It is a well established fact that the 30% "growth" that Herb and others claimed over the decades was nothing more than a slick manipulation of data by corrupt men in Pasadena.  Manipulating figures was a full time job for some in accounting.  Even the Plain Truth subscription numbers were incorrect and misleading.  The old newsstand accounting procedures were a complete fraud, but that is another topic.

He also made a comment that during his conference he made sure that his followers all knew why his church was different from the heretical COG splinter groups.  In addition to smearing those groups with lies and false accusations, he also bad mouthed Protestants, Mormons and Catholics.  Dreamy Bob feels that he is the worlds foremost authority on the Catholic Church and other religious groups.  Rest assured, he is not!

I also provided doctrinal training and went over how the ContinuingChurch of God differed from various Sabbath-keeping groups such as the Seventh-day Adventists and the Church of God (Seventh Day), and various groups whose leaders were once part of the old Worldwide Church of God. We also explained some differences with Protestants, Mormons, the Eastern Orthodox, and the Catholics of Rome and answered various questions.

John the Baptist Bob also ordained several of his African followers.  Sadly the men believed that they were being ordained by the Worldwide Overseer who himself was ordained by hands that had been ordained by others in apostolic tradition.  He has not.  No ordination for Brother Bob!  He is self appointed!  Purely man made.  God is not involved in it. That of course leaves the ordination status of all of his devotees in question.

Why is it that these little men have to always over compensate for their deficiencies?  Humility and humbleness never seems to be a virtue of any Church of God leader.  They always have the biggest, the best, the one with the REAL truth, or the one practicing true first century Christianity.  All of them have been proven to be liars, with one failed prophecy after another. They are promoters of legalistic mumbo-jumbo that even the Pharisees would not recognize.

 

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Dave Pack: A Demon Contacted Me Privately On YouTube

As Dave's mind spirals out of control, it is now envisioning emails sent to his private YouTube account as coming directly from Satan himself.

Ironically, the two men on either side of the Man of Sin will look more like the False Prophet than we always believed was the Man of Sin. Their function will be to validate him, as kind of his two witnesses, probably themselves doing powerful miracles. We’ll have to see how that is. We’ll have to see. Demons can do all kinds of things. It isn’t just Satan that has all power.

So I leave you to think about that, and an email that arrived, I believe, just today. And it was shared privately. This was intended…by a demon who wrote it…by a demon who obviously understands the things I just told you…and it was shared on a private channel sent to our YouTube account.

So here we go…This is a demon talking to the world in one of the most chilling ways…It will show you exactly how the Man of Sin is going to try to get in people’s heads; flip the narrative. So to all of you all over the world be warned. Here’s an awful lot of what it might look like. The email opens this way…

“It is because I love all of you that I now show you My mercy through these messages. The way is being prepared for the seeds to be sown and the son of Satan will soon be ready to embrace the new false church. My Church will suffer a period of terrible darkness…[This is a demon talking as though he’s Christ.]…and my crucifixion will be endured by every soul who remains loyal to me.

“My enemies will make sweeping and radical statements, demanding that everything which is insulting to My Holy Name be declared acceptable in the eyes of My Church. Very few of the clergy will fight against the desecration because of the sin of cowardice. But know this…[Says this demon, privately, on a channel to us that couldn’t be shared with anyone else. This is a demon directly reaching out to our minds—to us.]…If they partake in false sacrifices, false sacraments and false teachings, which they will then try to foist upon My loyal followers, I will declare them to be no longer fit to stand before Me [meaning “in the judgment”].

This demon is picturing himself as Christ, and you can see how he flips the narrative in a cunning way, trying to get people to resist what they should join, and join what they should resist. And finally, after all of the deception and the narrative and the flipping of the truth, the demon signs it, “Your Jesus.”

Very clever. Very demonic. Very dangerous—but it has an allure, because the idea in that email is to intimidate people into following him. Don’t be one of the dummies! One of the deceived that doesn’t come with me—says a demon who’s going to say he’s Christ—because that’s what the Man of Sin is going to say. He’s going to say, “I am God.” He’s not going to say, “I’m Satan.” He’s going to miracles by the power of Satan, but he’s going to say they’re of God 

There’s a hidden message in that email that I read from the demon…One of the things I’ve learned is when BIG things are coming, demons get active. They have no self-control. They start shooting their mouths off, because they have no character. And there’s more activity and chatter, and they’ll start to say things. It does not surprise me, at all, that we got that email. It should not surprise you. I hope it SOBERS you deeply, as you begin to understand how they’ll flip the narrative. And they’re so cunning…so clever…so intimidating…Don’t be left out…and so they suck you in and then you areleft out. That’s the way they think. 

Dave Pack: Three Demon Possesssed COG Ministers Will Come Singing "Amazing Grace"

Who knew that the man of perdition and his two sidekicks were singers!  Be on the lookout for a really good singer who is a minister in the COG.  He just might be the soon coming evil one.

As he and his two sidekicks arrive on the scene, the three of them will be singing Amazing Grace  as they will start to deceive the women in the church first and then the men.

These guys are, essentially…because they’re with the Man of Sin—lawlessness, wicked, evil—they’re going to come in singing “Amazing Grace,” handing everybody a license to sin. With one hand they’re holding a song book singing “Amazing Grace,” and yet they have the power of sorcerers because they are—they have to be. They’re wizards. They are demon-possessed and they hand people a license to sin. People, who aren’t overcoming their sins, struggling, battling; starting with the women, who maybe can’t get over their sins. Men can’t either, but if you go to the woman, fool her, and just say, “Hey, you know, quit trying. You’re under grace. The Law is done away.”

The Devil hates the Law. That’s why it says, in II Peter when it describes these people, they turn people back who had escaped corruption, and they’re likened to people going back like sows to the mire and dogs to the vomit…which we’ve read so many times in all of this. He’s called the Man of Sin. He teaches God’s people to sin, but says, “I’m Jesus Christ,” and probably says, “Meet Moses on my left and Elijah on my right,” and a lot of people over there are waiting for Moses and Elijah. If you think this is all a coincidence, first of all, you have to explain away why your God says wizards are coming and it’s going to get furious. But I’ve got more to tell you…and there’s going to be persecution. We could have read on down right before “evil men and seducers” all will suffer persecution.

Dave Pack: Two Evil Women To Arise Before Two Witnesses

and women shall rule over them...the COG nightmare.

Close to the end of Dave's First Dominion of 1,000 years, two really evil women will rise up and cause some serious issues.

Then you have these two women. I could not understand why there are two women. We always said that’s the Catholics and the Protestants—the Catholics and the Protestants. How could you have those two women after the First Dominion? Well, once you understand the seventh resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire precedes Christ’s coming to Jerusalem; the king of the North, being the civil ruler, and the last pope, the spiritual ruler, alongside him—and they’re not the Beast and False Prophet—well, you still have the Catholics. In every sense, you have the Catholics, and you have these two women, right here, in the second half of chapter 5 being positioned to explode in the very near future.

That’s why, if you’re following the headlines out of Europe…I read, this morning, one writer said Europe is simply infuriated…Those were his words; not long before I came to services…infuriated at the Brits for what they did. And by the way, the only two candidates—the only two candidates—to lead the British Empire are both women. I’m not against women; but at the very end, as children are their oppressors and women will rule over them, all the other male candidates are out. Two relatively obscure women, one being the leader, a 59-year-old lady; they’re both conservatives. One of them is going to be the Prime Minister, since David Cameron, of course, resigned…and we may have a woman president here.

The time is close. Everything’s being positioned. We certainly…No one would disagree that Sodom and Gomorrah is here. Think of Isaiah 1, and many other places; but here these two incredibly evil women being positioned in this place called Shinar, which we always believed was probably Rome, but maybe Berlin, and of course, it will be a Rome-Berlin axis just like World War II—Hitler and Mussolini, and the Pope had signed a concordant with Hitler to kind of get out of the way and not condemn him, so that Hiller wouldn’t come and kill the Pope. That’s what whores do. They perform tricks. Hitler was perfectly happy to leave them alone, if they were perfectly happy to not fight the Nazi empire.

A Simple Reminder is In Order

If I Ever Go Off Into Strange or Weird Ideas...

 "I want to make a statement about...me...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you  if I go off into strange ideas,  misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct,because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And  I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."

David C Pack

December 12, 1998

We all know what's coming....

Any experienced Worldwide Church of God refugee knows what the outcome of is going to be for , at least, Gerald Flurry's Philidelphia (Ha) Church of God, and Dave Pack's Restored (Ha) Church of God.

Gerald Flurry will prove once again , as did HWA/GTA/JWT that "The first generation founds it, the second generation maintains it and the third generation loses it.  However, with as harsh and evil as PCG is, it probably won't get past the second generation. Attrition will take  it's toll and it will go the way of all flesh.

Dave Pack will prove once again, as did HWA that the One Man Show ,fueled by the kind of personality disorder Dave expresses, is always doomed to fail for those who remain after the one man is gone. No one is going to be able or even want to keep up even the small influence RCG has had on Christianity.   NOTHING  that Dave Pack sees happening in his , now 62 rants,  on how he see's it all coming to pass will actually happen.  NOTHING.  

                                                        https://rcg.org/sep/tools

These convoluted,  ridiculous, proof texted, self centered and mistaken and misused views of scripture will all simply provide a painful look back at "what was I thinking?", or "I knew it!" for future reference as former RCG members struggle to Restore Credible Goals in their real lives with the time they have left to live it.  Dave will grow old and because he has alienated and disfellowshipped his  family, (because NO  ONE can long actually work with Dave) has no second generation to maintain for yet a little longer the Campus and goals of RCG.  It will simply crash when NOTHING that Dave says is the way it will all soon come to pass actually comes to pass and he gets more desperate for that which will never happen.  

The Handwriting is on the Wall

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Dave Pack: It Is Confusing As We Are Exiting Confusion. We Are Returning To Simplicity

Dave Pack says his current string of teachings is returning back to first century simplicity and that he is exiting confusion.  What??????  Seriously?  Unfortunately he is not done being simple.

Now a lot of what I am explaining and beginning today, I’m simply going to explain in greater detail, but it’s what the Church always believed. Because we are looking at so many fascinating and detailed things, it became the natural time to explain an awful lot of things in detail that the Church did believe, but never got into detail, because we were never forced to look at certain things. But what we are learning has forced us to do a lot of that. And so, for those of you who are newer or older in the Church—particularly, those of you who are older in the Church—there’s an awful lot that I am teaching that’s exactly like what we taught. We just never broke it down and sifted it like wheat in looking at it.

I will submit that we are exiting confusion, and the process can be a little confusing, and we are returning to first century simplicity. And believe me, the journey is not done. Staggering things are still ahead that I am going to explain to you. We are not leaving simplicity that was right; we are leaving a simplicity in error that, ultimately, involves what you may come to believe are giant tweaks of our understanding.

Giant tweaks is putting it mildly.

Dave Pack: I am going to ask Christ About Facebook...It is the tool of the Devil!!!!!

Dave Pack is NOT happy that ministers in various COG's are on Facebook.  FB is the tool of the devil.  Dave is so irritated by ministers using FB that when Jesus Christ walks onto the Wadsworth compound he is going to to walk right up to Jesus Christ and ask him about Facebook. His "christ" is going to tell him to throw FB down the toilet.

Now, God is upset with the ministers. We saw that…Haggai 2 and Malachi 2, “And now, O you priests”…That’s a different group than the “sons of Levi.” It’s a longer discussion, but they’re not completely the cause of the atrocious spiritual condition of thousands of people in 400 groups. They’re not. They’re a big part of it, but people are big boys and girls. They go get a tattoo—they did it themselves. They break the Sabbath, commit adultery, go on Facebook and just celebrate vanity—look at me, look at me, look at me. I’ll tell you what, I’m going to ask Christ…But when the kingdom is established, He’ll tell us Facebook should be flushed down the toilet. There’s nothing on Facebook that you should ever do publicly. It’s a tool directly of the devil. Now, if you can use it privately in some way, fine. But here’s Facebook, let me summarize it—me, me, me, me, me, me, me—everybody, see me—see me. See how wonderful I am. See my pictures. See everything about me, me, me, me, me—that’s Facebook. Now, those are its good points. You want me to give you the bad points? [laughter]

Dave Pack: Jesus is coming in "spirit" clouds shaped like a chariot with fire to scorch the earth (except for Wadsworth compound)

For many years various ministers in the church taught that the Pasadena campus was so extraordinary that when the invading armies of Germany came over here that they would be sooooooooo amazed at the sheer beauty of the Pasadena campus that they would never allow it to be bombed or destroyed.  In fact, they would take over the campus and use it to their headquarters.  A headquarters where they would design concentration campus, sell Americans off to be slaves of the Europeans and organize other atrocities while enjoying some wonderful music in the Ambassador Auditorium    Of course this all happens while the church is in Petra being protected by a cloud over the entire area so that the European Union armies cannot bomb it due to the fact that God's special people were holed up there.

Now the second most amazing campus in the entire universe is going to be protected from the wrath of Jesus and war.  Jesus is returning to Wadsworth there He operates the First Dominion from Dave's Hall of Ad.

“Bless the LORD, O my soul, O LORD my God, you are very great; you are clothed with honor and majesty. [This is a description of God.] You cover yourself with light as with a garment: who stretched out the heavens like a curtain: Who lays the beams of his chambers in the waters: who makes the clouds his chariot…” (Psa. 104:1-3).

You’ve got a couple of possibilities. What clouds?…Cirrus? Stratus? Nimbus? Cumulus?…Back to ninth grade science there…I know some of those get mixed in. You can have some of them work as a hybrid…or are they the “clouds of heaven?” Well, they have to be the clouds of heaven. First of all, these are clouds that can move at the speed of thought, so these are divine clouds. They are spirit clouds. They are not clouds from Earth. Now, if they are, since Christ travels in clouds, He has to travel to Earth, drop off His clouds and pick up some locals…[laughter] You understand? I’m not trying to be funny here. I’m just trying to tell you, you have to think through. Because remember, we are going to see some verses when Christ comes to the earth, it says He comes with the clouds of heaven. So it’s not the clouds of this first heaven. There are no clouds that I know of in the second heaven. But He makes the clouds His chariot. Now this is fascinating…

Are these billowy clouds? Well, they’re not like clouds we’ve seen. So the best you can probably speculate…That’s all it would be…these are chariot-shaped clouds. If they are not, we don’t know. But they are spirit clouds. They’re the clouds of heaven, unless in the third heaven, they have clouds that can rain or look like the clouds of Earth…and if that happens, then I guess we’ll learn. But those clouds all have substance in them. I’ve never heard anything…Mr. Armstrong has never said there is anything in the third heaven that’s not spirit…everything is spirit. So these would be spirit clouds…and that’s kind of an interesting thing, because there are many other places that talk about Christ coming. Remember in Acts 1 and verse 6…verse 9, he was taken up by a cloud…

“When he had spoken these things, while they beheld, [Acts 1:9] he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.” Now…I’m going to show you later, that can be a cloud or clouds. But it says a cloud received Him out of their sight.

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First of all, let’s imagine it’s incredibly hot fire…Is this a question for us someday when Christ comes to His Temple? It would scorch everything, even if it was regular fire. You would have to have it far away. If it came to this campus, or stood over the tabernacle…bye-bye tabernacle…very fast…unless it’s a fire the size of a match and then it might burn a little bit of it or something, and nobody would see it. So it’s a pillar of fire. So I would submit to you that it’s fire that does not consume unless God wants it to.

I would submit to you, unless there’s some other verse you can turn, to these are divine clouds and divine fire that will not burn or do not carry moisture. It isn’t Christ brings…Well, if My fire gets out of hand, I’d better have some clouds with moisture to kind of calm Myself down. You see? I’m trying to make it facetious a little bit. This is the sign of the son of man, and…it’s what we’re waiting for. Over and over and over again, as I said earlier, the apostles told the brethren to wait for Jesus Christ. And we get a little bit of the picture here…There a little, here a little, there a little…you put it all together…we’re waiting for quite a picture.

And now you have a bigger idea of what’s coming, and why the campus won’t be scorched, and There will not be rain out of these clouds…and why it works day and night. Are these clouds that glow during the day in some way? The answer, brethren, is I would not speculate. Christ made clouds—they may be chariots that can be turned into clouds. Wouldn’t it be interesting if it was a giant chariot? I have no idea. It says it’s a column, so I doubt that. But I’m just going to tell you these are not clouds from Earth. It says He comes from the clouds of heaven, and Daniel 7:13 says those clouds are in the third heaven. And you have to have Him…He’s like a bus commuter…He takes the bus a certain distance, gets off with His ticket and takes another bus. And I just leave you to think about that—for multiple reasons.

Seven requirements to be Saved in Dave Pack's First Dominion

Dave has laid down the law to his dwindling flock on what they MUST do in order to be saved in Dave's First Dominion.  Everything they own is his.

Now, obviously, there are three other fees that everyone would naturally think about, which begin your Christian walk: Believe the Gospel; repent and be baptized. Those three plus four make seven. You can’t get anywhere unless you believe the Gospel…Think of Mark 1…and then repent and are baptized, Acts 2. There are seven things that are the gateway to how to get into the kingdom, but first, you have to figure out who Christ will even let into the flock. Do you understand? Pay my price—there’s a certain price. It doesn’t mean you’re in the kingdom. Reading this gives it…Oh, that’s a lot clearer…but they’re allowed to continue to be His disciple now. I gave you seven admission fees—think of them that way.

1. You’ve got to do everything God says
2. You have to love God more than others in your family
3. You have to take up your cross and follow him, and
4. You have to sell all that you have, or what we call Common
5. You have got to believe the Gospel
6. You must repent
7. You must be baptized

Or you can’t even be in the flock. Now, at a point, you’ll leave because you know you don’t belong—or Christ will evict you. But there would be no point in staying in the flock, because if you don’t belong in the flock, there’s not a chance if you don’t do these things, all of them, just like going to college. I remember paying a whole bunch of fees. Today, there’s more than four—books and tuition and room, board…All kinds of fees, application fees…and that’s just to get into the college, and then you flunk out or you can pass magna cum laude with high honor, or anywhere in between, and that’s why some get ten cities and some get five.

But you’ve got to get into the college, so all discussions, brethren of God around the world, all discussions about whether or not you can be in the kingdom do not start with the verses about that. They start with how to be in the flock—to be a disciple, student, pupil, learner. How to matriculate into God’s college, so that you can be saved if you do other things.

Dave Pack: Three COG Leaders Were Born To Be Possessed By Satan and His Demons

Dave is warning his flock that three COG leaders will soon be possessed by Satan and his demons.  They were preordained to be possessed.  Since the moment they were born their destiny has been to be possessed by Satan and some of his lesser demons.  These three then will rampage thought Church of God casting spells and doing miracles.  Miracles done so well that thousands of COG members will start following them instead of going to or staying with Dave.

The man of sin is likely a short period, but I don’t know. I don’t know, and I want you to understand. The one—or all three—I would suspect, of these men will not invite Satan. No one asks the devil to possess them. I want you to realize there are three men today that God will literally send the devil and probably other demons, into the other two. They will be as stunned and unexpecting—but having been born to be taken and destroyed—as stunned and unexpecting of what’s going to happen as everybody around them.

They’re not three men plotting to be devil-possessed or demon-possessed. God is going to do this to them. He’s going to put the devil in them exactly the way Christ put the devil in Judas to carry out His will. I want to just say, again, I’ve cast demons out of people many times. None of them ever sought possession. When the devil hits these men it will be WHAM. They will not see it coming, but their character and their evil nature invited it. They were born to this task, just as you were born and God called you, way back, in some cases, like John the Baptist or Jeremiah—almost from the womb. These men were pre-selected for this purpose, and they may get salvation someday.

Dave has had extensive interactions with demons throughout his magnificent life.  He has talked to them and rebuked them  He knows they can be powerful.

What does “all power, signs, and lying wonders” mean? What does it mean? Let me give you a sense. I’ve dealt with so much of this through my life. I want to give you a sense. All power, signs, and lying wonders…I’ll give you a combination of what the Scriptures show about tricks the devil pulls, and things I have seen in my life. There will be visions, voices, and calling fire down. The devil poured fire out of the sky, and you know that the devil can do that. In the book of Revelation, with the False Prophet, he may do that. He can cause storms. He’s the prince of the power of the air. He can foretell things and get a lot of them right, like soothsayers do. He can use false tongues. Perhaps many of his followers will be possessed…You can go back to listen to this when you have more time, later.

He can levitate objects and teleport them, and travel them around. Pharaoh’s magicians could turn sticks in the snakes. Now—God did it, too—but so did they. And they could turn water into blood, and when they do it, they can claim “We’re like Moses.” They’re certainly not going to say they’re like the magicians of Egypt. You understand. Satan gave boils to Job, God’s servant. He can create loud noise for fear and effect; destructions, temptations, accusations, lies, and subtle deceptions of all kinds. The devil can do all of these things, and a whole variety of tricks that only the devil could think of…statues bleed, all kinds of things, possess animals. This is the powerful reality of what’s coming when God says this man will have all power, signs, and lying wonders.

Just imagine if one of these three is Doubly Blessed Bob Thiel!  With all of that anger and frustration pent up in his delusional mind, all hell will be released.  Interesting times are ahead!

Musings...

As far as I can tell, those who have been able to break free from the original Worldwide Church of God and subsequently all those splits (UCG,GCI), splinters (LCG) and slivers (PCG, RCG and way down the line CCG) , are the only people who have actually grown in the graciousness and knowledge that was always emphasized that we had to grow in. You certainly don't see it in any of the leadership and congregations we tend to examine here on Banned.

We later came to realize that the Grace and Knowledge was that according to others view of it all and not allowed to be something of our own realizations and homework.  You grow as you are told to grow and the knowledge you grow in must be approved from above.

Mostly now the various COG Grand Masters simple are caught up in "Crowing and Over-gumming", if you get my drift.  David C. Pack is master of the crowing and over-gumming concept.

I'd like to think that most of us here at BannedHWA are here because we care and are concerned about the spiritual, emotional and even physical well being of those still trapped by their own fear, guilt and shame abundantly stoked by their theological leaders, falsely so called.

The bottom line seems to be that we'd like those beginning to react to the feeling in their stomachs to realize that is what is really true as to what the reasonings in one's heads might be as they are pummeled every week in church with the latest shoulds, must nots and you better realize this, messages.

Here are a few things I believe we'd all like those questioning their involvement and place in any COG congregation, watching their own particular three ring circus unfold to realize or make real in their thinking.

Your minister is not really a type of any Moses, Joshua, Zerubbabel or spoken of in the scriptures Old or New. That's simply crazy and delusional thinking with religious content. 

Your minister is not one, both or supervisor of the Two Witnesses of Revelation who will work a marvelous work in your day that you won't believe.

In time, you won't believe you fell for that.

There can't be 300+++ Splintered One True Church

Your minister's approach to Bible Study of "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little," is called proof texting and by it all manner of mischief can be conceived of and shows he can't  even accept the fact that Isaiah 28:9-10 , in context, promotes no such cut and paste method of drawing proper conclusions

Narcissistic men, in positions of leadership, can well hide in a church environment because their illness looks like a weird form of obedience, dedication and sincerity.

Organizations are full of lessor yes men and women who don't and won't protect you from what they suspect is so themselves, if they have a position and enjoy wielding fake authority.

All of these men will grow old and die with nothing of what they predict or fashion themselves to be ever remotely comes to pass

Properties purchased and colleges built with your tithes and offerings  plainly show your leader doesn't believe his own press about "time is short".

These same properties, in time, will be sold to others to use for the exact opposite purpose you thought you supported them for in the first place.

If you can step back a bit and admit your doubts you'll end up wondering "what was I thinking?"

Dreams do not a theologian make

"And yes brethren, I am an Apostle" also does not an Apostle make

"God knows that 'that man'...." always means "ME" when the minister is letting you in on his ill drawn conclusions about himself easily

"But I'll save that for next week" always means "Please don't leave the church"

Too many words and phrases in a sermon like, "overarching", "Awesome", "Never before understood", "I never realized this until writing this sermon", "Will leave you gyrating in your seats", "Will stun you' and "I don't think I have ever given a sermon quite like this one" and so on simply means, "I'll keep you praying,  obeying, paying and staying anyway I can".

...and so on. You know it when you hear it.

We are a mixed group here having come out of the homogenized environment of the Worldwide Church of God.  Good for us.  We're not evil. We're not scoffers (Noticing is not scoffing. Scoffing is what those not wishing to be called out on their abuses call noticing.)  We are ok to ask, "Where is the promise of his coming" because , well...it's been 2000 years and that's not our common view of "things which must shortly come to pass', and "behold I come quickly."

No one is going to any ever burning or burn you up Lake of Fire for not belonging to this or that True Church of God and it's ok to each have our own unique experience and outcomes with the Worldwide Church of God, the Armstrongs, Tkaches and all those that followed.  We all process our shortcomings, experiences, perceptions and lessons learned differently.  

If everyone who participates here on Banned got together for a pot luck, with the singles bringing the watermelon of course, it would be one amazing night out!

Church of God Evangelists: "They bailed out, ran for the men’s room"

There is no room for mercy in Dave Pack's dominion for any evangelists in the Church God's which may want to join his movement in the future.

I’ve wrestled with, what if evangelists come back into the Church? Do I just receive them as evangelists? I would pray about it…Father, what do I do? These are senior men. They wake up. Do they just come back, and they’re over our ministers? And the answer is absolutely not. On the surface it almost seemed insane. They were terrible. You would be rewarding, endorsing, underscoring, and validating making no proof of their ministry in this time that is in the context there, II Timothy 4, of the last days—evil men and seducers waxing worse and worse. Here’s what the evangelists did: They bailed out, ran for the men’s room; but a lot of them are going to wake up, they’re going to feel horrible, and they’re going to go on to wonderful positions. And before we got here, that’s what a lot of us did.…

BOOM—now you’re over London...It doesn’t make any difference whether people want it or not……

And the Restored Church of God 

members will be there to restore it...

Dave and his crew are going to be busy, whether you like it or not!

So, you’re probably thinking, in the kingdom of God…And this is where you’ve got to get this out of your head. We all used to think and talk and meditate on this…you enter the kingdom of God, you’re an administrator…Not just the ministers are or the deacons and the elders are—they are under you. You administer. You are up above cities. So, there are hundreds and hundreds of people today…Now, I’ll come back to that in a moment. Then there are great numbers coming out of the ground to help us—and the entire number drastically increases…

Now, does God want women in the very first phase of the kingdom?..Just like the men, once you have received salvation, you are administrators, ladies—one way or the other—it won’t make a “lick of difference,” as they say, whether you’re a man or woman. The numbers explode.

……I’m trying to paint a picture here. Get out of your head that we’re coming to a time when just the ministers guide everything. You are going to join the administrative governing structure of the kingdom. There will be plenty of people when the kingdom starts out so small you can barely see it on the end your finger. Remember the picture. I’m trying to create a difference in your mind.

We’re going on to salvation. It’s different. Everything is different. You’ll have enormous authority in cities over all those who are learning about the kingdom and coming in. Later on, just—BOOM—now you’re over London. BOOM—now you’re over Johannesburg. It doesn’t make any difference whether people want it or not……

Jesus Will Have His Second Coming In Wadsworth...It's the plan...Always Has Been...

News Flash!   Jesus is coming to Wadsworth! First he came for the Mormons and now for the Packites! The second coming will happen at the most beautiful campus ever in the history of the world!

It is hard to believe that since the foundation of the world was laid, Wadsworth was included in the plan of salvation!

Now, think about Joshua, who is Elijah. Think about this for a moment. That man, unique above all others, would have to know his role years and years in advance. I learned this seven years ago in the summer of 2009, if you didn’t know that. He would have to know his role for years, and be tested by Christ to know—to know—that he was going to walk in His ways and keep His charge. Would he faithfully do the broadcasts? Would he teach the truth? Would he shepherd the Church as much as the leader can? There are many other faithful ministers. But would he pass the test? So that when the time came, his salvation is settled.

Try to imagine the other way through. Now, Christ starts through…and let’s say they run parallel…Instead of, I have to prove myself before the time where Christ comes to this campus and I have access to Him, try to imagine it parallel. We sort of start inching forward and Christ says, all right…Now wait a minute. Here we go. Let’s see…I’m going to let him judge My house for a while…Ooo, ooo, okay, but I’ve got to watch. Is he still obeying me? Wait a minute now. Okay, he’s keeping My courts, and I’m letting him come in and talk to Me personally. I’ve picked him as Elijah, but I hope he doesn’t mess up. Is he walking in My ways? Is he keeping My…oh, oh, oh…No, that’s ridiculous. That’s ridiculous! I have to prove like every other human being that I will be faithful to my calling, and then I learn about certain things I do as an administrator just like you do.

Have You Been Snookered? Dave Pack Says So!

It really must be amazing to be God's right hand man on this earth and know everything about everything.  No man on this earth (other than Bob Thiel) is able to understand the mind of God like Dave Pack.  Dave just cannot face the fact that he and his group may actually be the ones being "snookered."

God would never tell the splinter brethren “Well done, you good and faithful servant.” If He did, He is lying to them, or He has lied to us about what it means to be a good and faithful servant. If He’s telling them that what they did is good and faithful, then we got snookered. If He told us the truth, He could never tell them the same thing—the difference is too vast. No, they are not Catholic, but I think you understand the point. The potential—that I could dwell on—just on what we get to do, is not the subject here, but the chasm is……

The Journal, Issue 191

Issue 191

The latest issue of The Journal, News of the Churches of God is out.

This issue has an article about the Amy Allwine murder by UCG minister Stephen Allwine.

United Church of God president Victor Kubik released a statement after police charged a UCG elder with murder in the death of the elder’s wife.
President Kubik, who works out of the church’s headquarters in Milford, Ohio,
expressed “profound shock and sadness” upon learning about the arrest of Stephen Allwine, 43, of Cottage Grove, Minn., on Jan. 17, 2017, on charges of second-degree
murder of his wife, Amy Louise Zutz Allwine, two months earlier on Nov. 13, 2016. 

There is also an excellent article by David Antion about the 1974 "rebellion."

Another minister who was there tells about the so-called rebellion in the WCG in 1974 

I present here the memories I have of the experiences I went through during those times.

I am dealing here with one phase of the complex and many-faceted interactions that took place from 1972 through 1974 in the Worldwide Church of God. This represents only the dealings of my talks with the leaders of the 1974 crisis and a little of what led up to it. Here’s some background that led up to 1974. 

At last Helen Stiles told me I could go in. I thought this was strange because Mr. Armstrong usually came out to greet anyone who had an appointment. Nevertheless I went in.

When I opened the main door to his office, to my surprise there was Herbert Armstrong flanked by Garner Ted Armstrong and Stan Rader. Behind them were the head- quarters evangelists—Dibar Apartian, Norman Smith, Wayne Cole, David Jon Hill, Ronald Dart, Roderick Meredith (as I remember)—and Robert Kuhn.

(Robert was trying hard to keep a lid on the explosion that was about to happen. He was understanding and sympathetic because he knew the need for changes in doctrine. Later he was the primary force in changing many of the church’s teachings on healing and D&R. To this day Robert and I are still close friends.)

I felt alone, like I was standing before the Sanhedrin. 

There are also the usual advertisements by several of the extreme COG splinter groups with each one proclaiming they alone have the truth.

Don Billingsley is back with his off the wall comments and predictions...all of which have been failures.  This time he is predicting that because of Donald Trump being elected President this will allow the building of the end time temple in Jerusalem.

The Third Temple—Another major reason for his presidency will be to make possible the building of the third Temple in Jerusalem (more about this in a future article in our magazine). This will lead to the count- down of Jesus Christ’s coming back to this earth (Daniel 12:11-12). 

You can red the latest issue here.

Dave Pack: The Splinter COG's Are Practically Death Camps

Overly dramatic Dave.  What would we do without him?  He is correct that they are all dying though.

The splinters are awaiting someone with miraculous power. Now they, commonly, would describe that man as Elijah; but, they are set up for someone to come and do awesome miracles. They’re desperate for miracles. One reason is they have none over there. There are no healings. They’re dying; they’re dropping like flies. Most of the big splinters are practically death camps. Nobody’s healed. Nobody is delivered. You just don’t hear about it. People get over the sniffles, and they declare it a healing, they’re so desperate for miracles.