Dave Pack and Ed Winkfield Mooning Over Wadsworth

Administrative Judgment

 

During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 479),” David C. Pack’s excitement for being able to announce The Restored Church of God would begin to observe new moons was obvious. One of the benefits of dismantling decades-old doctrines of The Worldwide Church of God is being able to be the chief apologist for Herbert W. Armstrong. Dave tears down his doctrines while excusing why.

 

Part 479 – November 11, 2023

@ 35:56 You come, and you worship God on new moons. Now, I have an advantage over Mr. Armstrong. Mr. Armstrong could never access through electronic tools in a rapid-fire string all the verses that pertained to the subject…

 

It is a cryin' shame that technological limitations during HWA's lifetime kept him from thoroughly investigating vital Bible truths to properly fulfill his role as an apostle. If only he and his 2000 ministers had access to modern marvels like the Strong’s Concordance, a pencil, and a piece of paper.

 

Think of all the fantastic things Herbie would have discovered if he could have written down a list of verses to put all the pieces together.

 

@ 36:12 …or, I’ll bet you, had God wanted him to, he would have seen this, and the church would've been keeping new moons all along.

 

God did not want his other “apostle” to figure out something now required for salvation. The logic of Dave's god is quite perplexing, and following along hurts your head.

 

@ 36:21 He [HWA] addressed the question. I looked at some things he said, and he told people, "It's optional. You can do it, but we'll sorta have a Bible study on Friday night ‘cause I’m not sure.” And that became kind of a present truth.

 

Wow, so Herbert W. Armstrong began Friday night Bible studies to honor the new moons, not the Sabbath? That is news to me. It seems pretty counterintuitive to give a Bible study at the beginning of the Sabbath, which is commanded, in order to honor new moons, which are not. I cannot help but wonder if Gary and Dennis have comments about this alternate version of WCG history.

 

Dave really knows how to posthumously honor his Father in the Gospel. HWA allegedly invented a Friday night Bible study to honor new moons, but Dave’s kneejerk reaction was to remove the ones RCG already had.

 

@ 1:45:23 No more Friday night Bible studies. I don’t know. Maybe the teens or something. We’ll. But.

 

Those two men were cut from a different cloth.

 

If I were the devil, putting an end to the paltry spiritual food that does not focus on David C. Pack would be delightful. According to Dave, practicing new moons means Christians cannot learn about building holy, righteous character on Friday nights anymore in RCG.

 

To be fair, the religious corruption inside The Restored Church of God permeates to all the speakers, so how biblically nutritious those messages are is open for debate. But, the concept of a blanket "full stop" seems pointless and without merit. This is but a taste of what new moon observance via Dave’s personal judgments looks like. It does not bode well for the RCG brethren. Since the Bible is silent on what to do exactly on a new moon, this is the kind of spit-balling David C. Pack comes up with.

 

 

In true-to-from David C. Pack fashion, he repeated the notion that he would speak again on the new moon the following Tuesday. Being the veteran Packinese interpreter I am, my Davey Senses were tingling that he was going to blow it off.

 

@ 55:32 But, just relax. Believe me, there’s a rest of the story. In fact, I’ll be back on the new moon which is three days away to tell ya about it.

 

@ 1:10:33 I truly believe, though, that we're gonna hafta ask a big question on Tuesday because of things we'll learn.

 

@ 1:44:47 So, some brief instructions will come to you for how to keep (wherever it hits you). I'm gonna give a message at 3 PM on Tuesday. I'm gonna finish this story. You’ve heard half the story. What more could there be? See ya on the first time I’ve ever said this new moon. Couple days of my voice back to back on moeds.Never thought I’d say that. Three days apart. Never thought that could be possible. Who would’ve ever thought it?

 

As things turned out, it was not possible because Dave blew off the Tuesday message. Instead, Stepford Prime gleefully filled Dave’s shoes. He must have felt great joy knowing his cheeks were resting upon the very spot his human idol’s cheeks warmed the faux leather mere days earlier.

 

@ 1:45:28 Wait’ll you hear the next message.

 

But not from Dave. Eager Ed delivered a slobbering Dave Suck-Up Fest, looking like a little boy who got to sit at the adult's table.

Understanding New Moons – Edward L. Winkfield – November 14, 2023

@ 00:14 No, I am not Mr. Pack. [laughs] I’m sure you could tell that. [audience laughs a little too much]

 

@ 00:36 Mr. Pack will be speaking later in the week, so we can all look forward to that. Because it's me up here and not him, that does not mean you can turn off your computers.

 

You can turn your computers off now. Trust me, this 55-minute abomination will be covered in detail later.

 

For those missing the point, Dave kept repeating he would speak on the first new moon and give “the rest of the story.” But instead, he called in, "No, thank you.”

 

 

In the same manner that all CCG fanatics cannot get through a single day without blurring out “Hillel” like Tourette’s sufferers, David C. Pack cannot get through a single message without reminding us he is Elijah and how damn important he is.

 

Part 479 – November 11, 2023

@ 1:25:07 So, no wonder the Jews say they set a place for Elijah at Passover. They do have the Old Testament. They expect to see him at Passover. And I would look, and I would say, “My last name is Passover.” What are we doing in the fall?

 

@ 1:43:16 So the question, Do I restore the knowledge of these things or the practice of them? Does Elijah just restore knowledge, or there's some practices we have to restore? For instance, new moons. Do I restore the knowledge but not the practice?

 

Wade Cox must be tickled pink by all of this. How long before a CCG-chartered airplane drops leaflets on the RCG Campus in Wadsworth explaining to members that Wade Cox “restored the knowledge of new moons” thirty years ago?

 

The reality is that Dave did not restore anything. He does not know how to properly observe new moons but makes it up as he goes along, using the power of presumption and “because I say so” enforcement.

 

@ 1:43:36 Or Third Tithe. Same with Third Tithe. We understand Third Tithe is now off of Cheshvan 1. I presume the church has faithfully rolled their cycle over. So, I restored the knowledge, and then we're rolling now now, we're now we’re restoring the practice.

 

Dave did not restore anything about Third Tithe. He found a way to bilk the brethren out of more money that he knows full well does not benefit a single widow or orphan in The Restored Church of God. It is a full-blown biblical scam.

 

@ 1:45:41 There’s much more to the story of the next 149 days. Let’s enjoy dinner.

 

 

The day after Part 479, Doctor Feelbad emailed the RCG members, giving them an essential update on the ever-evolving new moon observation protocols that will be enforced by men and not by God.

 

Sunday, November 12, 2023

Update: Observing New Moons – November 14

 

As we heard in the recent message, we are to keep New Moons. How they are kept is an administrative judgment by the Church. To this end, God would expect all things to be done decently and in order (I Cor. 14:40).

 

As Mr. Pack mentioned New Moons are not holy time however they should still be observed. The first day of Keslev this coming Tuesday, will be a normal workday here at Headquarters with a Bible study at 3 PM our time and likely a meal. This is a good model for those in the field to follow—a Bible study and a meal if possible. For this first observance, you do have some flexibility for when and how this takes place. For the first observance, those in Europe and other countries east, for instance, can listen to the livestream from Headquarters though it will technically be past New Moons for them. In a rare circumstance, a congregation may be able to get together to listen to the message, but if you cannot, you can listen to the Bible Study at home either live or listen to the recorded message as soon as you can. This is all consistent with Mr. Armstrong implementing Friday Bible studies in recognition of New Moons as an administrative judgment. To be clear, there is no requirement at this point to take the day off work or take your children out of school.

 

More instructions will come as time allows. In the meantime, we can thank God for opening our understanding of this most important observance.

 

Have a pleasant day!

 

Warm regards,

 

F. Jaco Viljoen

Associate Director of Church Administration

 

 

I wonder how many hours Jaco took to craft this carefully worded letter.

 

How they are kept

is an administrative judgment by the Church.

 

This gives Dave and his enablers carte blanche to make whatever they say enforceable doctrine without worrying about the constraints the Bible might place upon them. You would think more in RCG would be concerned with this kind of blank-check religious practice, but those who are still there will smile, nod, and go along for the ride without resistance. Those with any fight in them have already left.

 

The days of brethren counting on the Bible to give them clear answers in matters of how they worship God are over.

 

New Moons are not holy time

however they should still be observed.

 

This means the new moon observance in RCG is literally unholy and renders whether something is holy or not irrelevant. The Restored Church of God has absolute rulership without accountability, and because the Scriptures are silent on this matter, whatever Dave dreams up will be the law until he changes his mind. It does not matter what the rules are; Ed will just keep smiling.

 

For this first observance,

you do have some flexibility

for when and how this takes place.

 

That flexibility was a one-time offer. Do not ever count on flexibility again. If you think that is a joke, wait until you hear what wonderful blessings Edward L. Winkfield III informed the RCG brethren they get the privilege of participating in.

 

This is all consistent with Mr. Armstrong

implementing Friday Bible studies

in recognition of New Moons

as an administrative judgment.

 

Both Dave and Ed said this but provided zero evidence to support it. When Dave has some obscure HWA quote from 1953 or a Good News clipping from any random guy who happened to make his point, he pulls it out and reads it. But that did not happen here.

 

The verbal affirmations of David C. Pack are not reliable sources of fact. If exrcg.org has proven anything, it has proven that. How would a Friday night Bible study on the Sabbath recognize a new moon on a Tuesday? HWA could not make heads nor tails of new moons, so he just let it go. In this, we agree.

 

To be clear, there is no requirement at this point

to take the day off work or take your children out of school.

 

Remember the phrase "at this point.” The new moon on December 12 will be a whole new ballgame, and the heavy requirements will surely come. The consensus among ExRCGers is that Dave will implement monetary offerings on new moons. Why else would he create a new form of uncommanded mandatory worship if he cannot make a few bucks on the side?

 

we can thank God for opening our understanding

 

The folks at Christian Churches of God have been thanking God for opening their understanding for thirty years, and look at all the good it has done for them. Wade Cox still cannot get recognized when he goes to the grocery store.

 

I wonder what the hirelings on the third floor think about other churches already teaching this stuff. RCG was inspired by God, but CCG was not? Dave was led by God, but Wade was not? How do they get around that?

 

It would be funny if the ccg.org website could track IP Addresses. They could monitor the sudden influx of heavy traffic coming from Wadsworth, Ohio, near the Giant Eagle. However, noting that site’s excruciatingly bland cutting-edge 1995 "look and feel," I doubt there is much horsepower under the hood. Seems like Wade and Dr. Floppy Wrists hired the same webmaster thirty years ago and just keep sending him a monthly check to do nothing but keep the lights on.

 

this most important observance

 

Um. Excuse me. What about Holy Days? And I thought the Sabbath was the test commandment. If this is the "most important observance," why does the Bible not record it as a commanded assembly or a holy convocation? That omission says that even to God Almighty, it is NOT most important. Unless, somehow, the translators hosed all of us again in the most colossal way.

 

Come on, guys. One vague reference in the New Testament is all you can find?

 

Colossians 2:16

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

 

And you turned a gnat into a camel. It ain’t worth a Hillel beans. Heh heh heh. The reference in Colossians is just that—a reference. It is not instruction. It is not a command. Given David C. Pack’s track record, taking him at his word is fraught with disappointments. Just think of all the folks who looked forward to him speaking last Tuesday. Wow, it is sad to think that anyone is still excited to hear Dave.

 

When an administrative judgment becomes law based on the assumptions of a blaspheming liar, hypocrite, false prophet, false apostle, and antichrist advocate, you know you have problems. This development does not spell good news for Wade Cox and his crew, either.

 

Just because someone arrived in Kookyville first does not mean the inspiration was divine. It just means there are now two of you in Kookyville to fight over which one should be mayor. Who the winner should be is an administrative judgment.

 

Marc Cebrian

See:  Administrative Judgment

Dave Pack: RCG Youth To Be Eaten Alive, Elijah, Doubt, New Moons, Wade Cox, Kingdom Arrives April 8, 2024

It’s A Given

 

Truly desperate times have come upon The Restored Church of God. David C. Pack needed something unique to revitalize the brethren's waning enthusiasm and dwindling generosity. He dusted off a Hail Mary theological gimmick among the pages of ccg.org the Bible, and presented it to the RCG brethren as timely revealed knowledge.

 

During “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 479)” on November 11, 2023, Pastor General and Historical Revisionist David C. Pack “restored” the observance of new moons. Roderick C. Meredith just phoned Headquarters from the grave to gloat, “I told you so, Dave,” before returning to not-alive status.

 

All this time, I considered Christian Churches of God and its pushy minions to be the Flat-Earthers of the COGs. Who could have imagined that David C. Pack would be the one to elevate Wade Cox and his Hillel obsessors into the mainstream?

 

Dave’s new moon observance was part of the larger picture pointing to a new, way-out-there date.

 

The Kingdom of God Arrives

On Abib 1—April 8, 2024

 

Dave nearly broke his foot punting the ball that far down the field.

 

 

Remember this?

 

Flashback Part 477 – October 28, 2023

@ 00:19 I love to stand up when I speak. I can be more animated and natural, but I’ve got so much paper…

 

Because David C. Pack loves to stand so much while he speaks, Part 479, two weeks later, was also preached ex cathedra. Another unwieldy stack of notes prohibited him from vertically parking behind the lectern.

That may appear on the surface to be nitpicky, but it further establishes a habitual pattern of David C. Pack’s lying even about trivial matters. The guy just wants to sit but conjures a false excuse that does not hold up to the mildest of scrutiny. Lying is not just what he does but who he is now.

 

Brethren of The Restored Church of God would be well-served to remind themselves about the source of their present new moons truths. David C. Pack is a noted blaspheming liar, false apostle, hypocrite, and antichrist advocate. The new moons verses are in the Bible, but do you really want to trust this guy’s interpretation?

 

Flashback Part 443 – May 18, 2023

@ 1:25:35 They're here because their parents tell them to be here. So, let's talk about the youth of The Restored Church of God. …Unless they fear God and start right now. So, let's talk about what God says He has in store for young people today who will be ripped up and eaten alive if they don't pay attention.

 

Flashback Part 476 – October 21, 2023

@ 1:37:06 So, when is the midst of the year? When is it? It’s October 29^th. One week from tomorrow morning at sundown in Jerusalem.

 

Flashback Part 436 – April 20, 2023

@ 41:03 Now, why is this the most important sermon? Let's just say I don't care how many times I've preached. This Series would be an unequivocal abject failure if it did not end where we had the Kingdom of God in the right place.

 

Flashback Part 478 – November 4, 2023

@ 49:18 Anybody who teaches error isn’t wise, never mind faithful. That's the stupidest thing you could ever do.

 

David C. Pack sure does love his stupid. He loves it thick and often. He bathes in it. He puts it in his hair each morning. He frolics in stupid so much everyone around him gets drenched. Based on his words, The Restored Church of God has become the world headquarters of stupid.

 

And now he is the new moons authority? How does David C. Pack have any credibility whatsoever on any spiritual matter under the sun? Excuse me…under the moon?

 

 

Part 479 – November 11, 2023

@ 00:47 The Plan of God Series continues.

 

Dave keeps pushing to rebrand his prophecy series into a gospel series. If he has been focusing on prophecy while getting the timing wrong, he is a false prophet. But, if he has been focusing on the plan of God while getting the timing wrong, that was just a logistical mistake. The repackaging is intentional.

 

Fully embracing his biblical role as Elijah That Prophet, David C. Pack restores the concept of restoring truths to the brethren of The Restored Church of God. Remember, his splinter group was named that for a divine reason. Herbert W. Armstrong of The Worldwide Church of God may have restored some truths, but Dave is tasked with restoring the biggies.

 

@ 09:21 But he [HWA] didn’t restore the Kingdom and didn’t understand that. Now, Elijah. There is a man who finishes the Mystery of God. He executes it. He carries. He discharges it… conclude[s] the Mystery. And not long before he sounds. So, how does he do that? He prepares the way before the Father…He prepares a people for the Lord. John the Baptist did. Okay, he makes this vision plain. He keeps a charge. So, the question is, does he come first and restore things to the church? Would that be a fair statement?

 

@ 11:21 So, it's worth considering how much restoration has occurred…does the Bible directly tell us in a way WE just didn't see because WE got, you know, kind of carfangled around with years? We're waiting for a year. We're gonna have to look at that for a final time and see if we can eliminate all doubt. And I mean, once and for all. And I'm gonna make a prediction. I'm gonna predict (if I could), there will not be a single one of you in this room today or ever after, not one of you, not one of you, and I mean, we will have even a half a doubt about exactly when the First Kingdom of God arrives. It will be impossible for you to doubt it. I'm gonna destroy every single point of resistance in your mind as the second of two things that will be restored (if you will) today.

 

Dave will destroy all doubt. As he is oft to do with his shiny new ideas until he is inspired to discover “something WE missed.”

 

 

Fast-forwarding to the "we already knew that" punch line, Abib 1 begins God's Sacred Calendar, and the next occurs on April 8, 2024. Yes, that is next year.

 

@ 59:45 What I could do without giving you a lot more material, I could just say, “Let’s have dinner right now.” There is no way in this life the Kingdom is gonna come before April 8^th…Well, as I say, there's a big, big, big rest of the story, but first, I’m gonna drive this home. And underscore it over and over and over and over again. We are not waiting for Tuesday or next Sabbath. We’re waiting for something you don’t know about, but we’re not waiting for the Kingdom until April 8^th. That’s the night of April 8^th, which would be dawn in Jerusalem on Abib 1.

 

@ 1:05:31 Now, brethren, I'm well aware that we’ve been to Abib before, but not with everything restoredwhere WE understood…

 

Dave makes all things new.

 

@ 1:08:33 It's a year of the Lord, and all the years of the Lord are Abib 1 to Abib 1. Now, this should be a tremendous reason to rejoice. Even if we were just gonna enjoy life for the next five months till April 8^th, 'cause we've got it! We've got it! And we keep new moons.

 

If Dave were not so equally confident with his past presumptive conclusions, you could almost root for the little guy that he finally nailed it this time around. Alas, it was not meant to be.

 

@ 1:13:07 So, you’ve got a church calendar. You’ll never get another one. You’ve got your last calendar. Cherish it. It’ll tell ya exactly when this is gonna happen, and it’s impossible that it’s wrong or years from Genesis to Revelation 9 when God references a year…changed, and we could never know what would surely come.

 

@ 01:23:40 And on the next Tuesday, April 16^th [2024], God accepts them [Israel]. And then, six days later, they’re keeping the Passover on April 22^nd next year. It’s inarguable. I tried to be faithful to when I thought years began. I should have realized the Jews minimized the sacred month.

 

Those pesky Jewish scholars keep casting stumbling blocks before Dave to the point he needs all-wheel drive to traverse the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium.

 

@ 1:24:29 And, obviously, God allowed me to go down that road [of being wrong] or we’da been looking for the wrong year or the year (we could say), the right year at the very, very wrong time. And we would not have restored all kinds of things.

 

Being in error is part of Dave’s god’s plan for revealing knowledge to his church. The drills are paying off now because none of this information will be altered, changed, or need future clarifying. In the world of David C. Pack, it is possible to know God’s truths too early. He must forget how many thousands of years old the Bible is.

 

@ 1:26:11 Because, on Abib 1, Elijah lands at dawn in Jerusalem. Impossible to argue.

 

 

It only takes a few verses to see why Dave is making his great assumptions about new moon observance. The ccg.org website has more than enough resources to satisfy the morbidly curious where you can get lost in the theological weeds if you happen to be a glutton for punishment.

 

There is no denying we will all observe new moons in the Kingdom of God when Jesus Christ comes according to Isaiah 66:23. But the trap Dave and Wade both fell into is the inferred observance rather than a clear command post-New Testament.

 

If God listed the new moons alongside the commands for Sabbaths and Holy Days, Herbert W. Armstrong would have added that to the list of his "restored truths" eighty years ago. Sabbath and Holy Days are holy convocations and commanded assemblies. New moons are not. There is a lot of ancillary biblical support for new moon observances that encourage “because I say so” theology. If God wanted His people to observe new moons as much as He wanted Sabbaths and Holy Days, He would have said so. That seems pretty cut and dry to a simple, unordained non-prophet/non-psychic.

 

Otherwise, you have self-evident authorities like Wade Cox and Dave Pack cracking the new moon whip over your head, feeding you notions of missed salvation because you did not buy what they were selling. They are the timeshare salesmen of the COGs. You better act quickly to take advantage of this unique offer before time runs out, causing you to miss the opportunity of a lifetime…literally.

 

When I stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ, and He asks me why I blew off David C. Pack’s version of new moons, I will say, “It was not commanded. No clear instructions were given on how to do it correctly during my lifetime, so I didn’t play along with know-it-alls who pretended to have the answers. I figured you would make it clear when you were ready to.”

 

Regardless of how many verses David C. Pack puts together that make sense on paper because it is from the lips of David C. Pack, extreme caution is advised.

 

The idea that Dave is now on team CCG within the worship doctrinal spectrum is not good news for Wade and his cohorts. Having Dave inadvertently on your side is not a good look for anyone. Even you, Wade. It should be a fearful thing for Dave to agree with anyone.

 

@ 24:30 [Mimicking brethren] “You can't do sacrifices. They're not to be kept forever.” Really? Sabbaths, yes. Holy Days, yes. New moons, no. Does the church have this right? And what are the implications of it one way or another? Should the Church of God, did the Church of God have an obligation as much to keep new moons as it did Sabbaths and Holy Days?

 

@ 29:40 And no, I’m not suggesting new moons are holy, but they are equated. You know, you’re supposta absolutely be at all seven Days of Unleavened Bread, but the five in the middle aren’t holy, but you better be there. They’re not Sabbaths.

 

@ 30:11 So, new moons are sort of in the category of their sort of stand-alone moeds not in the middle of Unleavened Bread or the Fall Feast. Therefore, they're not actually holy time per se, but they are beginning to look like they’re commanded to be kept.

 

@ 44:51 Well, then maybe should we keep Holy Days? They’re just pretty much left out. No, it’s a given. The Sabbath’s a given. So, any idea, "Well, the New Testament doesn't mention new moons." Well, actually, it does. I'm gonna show you. It’s a given. It’s a given that new moons should be kept. And I would submit to you that previous ages knew it.

 

The previous ages knew it based upon what facts exactly? 

 

Going forward, any doctrine in The Restored Church of God can be instituted and required because it is designated as “a given.” David C. Pack talks until something becomes true with Because-I-Say-So authority. As time goes on, it gets easier and easier to implement. That is all the proof the folks in RCG need these days to incorporate a new day of worship.

 

The prosecuting attorney in me wants to point out that this is all circumstantial evidence and insufficient to get a conviction. This case would not hold up in court.

 

@ 45:13 And if I’m gonna be faithful with the word of God…The new moons have to be kept. Now, [chuckles] it remains to be seen how many we get to keep, you know.

 

This is a strange thing to say, considering the Kingdom of God will arrive on April 8, 2024. Dave should be able to count the new moons he gets to keep on one hand.

 

 

Based on these words by David C. Pack, I will put $20 on the table right now that the Israeli-Hamas war will end before April 8, 2024.

 

@ 1:10:40 Does this Series really go on any further? Time’s gonna go on. I mean, think about the [Israeli-Hamas] war. The war has 149 days to go. You better buckle up.

 

If Dave wants "a given," here is a good one: This Series will never end. Part 500 is on the horizon and barreling down fast. He does not know that yet, but everyone else does. Yes, he eats his own malarkey.

 

@ 1:45:18 The war will continue another 149 days.

 

The man will not and cannot ever be right. A divine repudiation of David C. Pack’s claims will be demonstrated by physical history when that war ends long before his artificial deadline. Or after. Taking a contrarian approach to all things David C. Pack is always the safest choice on the prophetic roulette table.

 

@ 1:12:32 And it’s impossible that it can go beyond Abib 1. The Mystery of God is almost over. Obviously, I wondered why I was learning and tying some big ribbons and knots and bows on this with five months to go. But, before we can get to that, I’m gonna hafta talk to you. I knew I’d hafta just stand up and explain, you know, these great truths.

 

Just stand up in the figurative sense only, of course. Dave knew he had to just stand up and explain…while sitting down. Little moments like that tickle me.

 

Using the power of presumption, often-read Hebrews 10:25 has finally been understood because it is a given.

 

@ 1:44:23 “So much the more as you see the day approaching.” So, we’re thinking assemble is a Sabbath or a Holy Day because we weren’t keeping new moons. It’s neither Sabbath nor Holy Day. They’re new moons. So, on God’s authority, if I’m His apostle, they’re new moons.

 

Based on that criteria alone, they are NOT new moons because David C. Pack is not an apostle. Not now. Not ever. He does not and cannot speak with God’s authority. He is a documented false prophet, false teacher, blaspheming liar, hypocrite, and antichrist advocate. God does not use such men to bestow knowledge to His people.

 

@ 1:44:38 Or all those verses mean something else, and let’s go keep Christmas.

 

Dave loves his All-Or-Nothing theology. To deny keeping new moons is the same as keeping Christmas.

 

@ 42:31 So, Israel kept new moons. We are spiritual Israel. We’re the tribes of Israel. How in the world could we say we don’t do it? “Well, we can’t do sacrifices.” I’ve explained that. Then, let’s shuck the Sabbath and the Holy Days.

 

If you do not keep the new moons RCG-style, then you might as well give up the Sabbath, too. The desperate manipulation is so very transparent.

 

 

The new moon development in The Restored Church of God is a monumental shift that should reinvigorate dead-brain, wide-eye swooning from the grassroots All-Believing Zealots in their private chat groups.

 

David C. Pack is eagerly trying to plant his flag on Legitimacy Hill, but Wade Cox has already been camping out there for decades. And that guy is totally dug in. Both men should agree to solve the top-dog competition by Thunderdome rules: Two men enter. One man leaves.

 

Watch out, Wade. Dave loves to sucker punch.

 

It remains to be seen how much paper is consumed by all the printing of CCG materials at RCG Headquarters. Highlighter pens are in extreme demand as Dave and his merry band of hirelings attempt to play catch-up with decades of material to absorb and adopt.

 

The RCG new moons doctrines have already shifted beyond Part 479. It is a given that they will evolve because they are figuring it out on the fly. Now, Wade Cox gets to stand quietly at the third-floor tower window, watching Dave and his cowardly enablers scramble to get a grip on this present truth.

 

The Series will go on. April 8, 2024, will come and go without a prophetic occurrence. David C. Pack will change his tune with “something WE missed.” In the meantime, Wade Cox gets to feel pretty good about himself. All of that is a given.

Marc Cebrian

See: It's A Given

Bob Thiel Has Lost All 3,000 of His Malawi Members

 

Bob's self-imagined world is crashing down around him. Gaylyn Bonjour's so-called double blessing has ended up being a double curse.

We now know Dr Pastor Bobby is Totally Bogus in everything he does. I knew all about the African corruption, which is really bad, but I did wonder how he could get so many of these translations for such a cheap price. He just wasted tithe payers' money on FAKE people claiming they're working on translations, when he would've been better off admitting the truth. But, maybe they're putting mind zombie spells on him to render him a moron.

The TRUTH is coming out on a Great many things. 

 

All of his so-called 3,000 members in Malawi are completely gone. The hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God has completely taken Malawi. Radson Mulozowa is dying. His so-called Registration in Malawi was a complete forge job for all these years. Soon he'll be banned from Malawi with Mozambique soon to follow.

It's like I said, this is the end of the Continuing Church of God and prophet Bobby.
Terry Nelson

BREAKING EXPOSE (More Updates): Crackpot Prophet Bob Thiel, Linda Jane and the Translator Scam

 

A Linda Jane, from Huntsville, Alabama, USA, she says, acts, since at least 2015, as the "stateside" point of contact for unwary translation clients, mainly those requesting Asian languages for Christian materials. She even has a website to show (but, of course, with no address and no phone number): Teams of Translators / teams-of-translators.webnode.com . The website shows very interesting characters.

From an anonymous source: Banned additions in red. Also, note that this is a compilation of three separate emails.

Wow!

Bob has gotten huffy about those who've figured out that his many new translations are done via AI. He has denied that he uses AI for his translations. Well, it turns out that this is just another half-truth.

Bob is paying a shady service that at the very least makes false claims about its translators, using photos of other people deceptively and putting false names to those photos. It appears that Bob's translation service uses AI while claiming otherwise, and while making false claims about its "translators". I looked up the "Linda Jane" who Bob mentions in his 11/16 letter to the CCOG brethren, and it turns out that she's a scammer. Skip to Note 147 (posted below) here: Translator-Scammers-Notes

Banned: This is what Bob Thiel wrote in the November 16 Letter to the Brethren:

An anti-Church of God website, with no basis in fact, falsely posted that what we are receiving are Artificial Intelligence (AI) translations of our The Gospel of the Kingdom of God booklet.

That is not the case.

Additionally, I again asked the translation leader about how the translations are done, and here is what she sent me on Tuesday: 

Dear Sir,

How are you? I hope you are doing well.

First of all, I am sorry to write a reply to your last email. I was busy with certain other projects.

Secondly, I already have mentioned, that we are connected through a large network of translators, proofreaders, teachers, preachers, Pastors and publishers around the world.

When you asked me to start translating “The Gospel of the Kingdom of God” into as many languages as possible, I immediately communicated with the network and we started working on it for as many languages as we could.

Thirdly, we got each and every work proofread through human efforts and whenever we got negative comments, we rejected that specific file and didn’t send you. So, be assured that these are purely human translations.

Fourthly, we have received hundreds of translations already that we haven’t yet sent you because Brother David Lewis works on these files, arranges them, converts them into PDF and then sends them to you. …

In Christ,

Linda Jane.

Anyway, it looks like we will receive hundreds more translations of our booklet in the future, so that means we may have over 1,000 different languages/dialects by the end of this calendar year. Perhaps one day 2,000 or more! 

Banned: This is Note 147 mentioned above:

Kishan Singh (from India). Photo used in the site belongs to to Gautam Adani, one of richest men in India... The scammers didn't even changed the photo filename... Linda has nice words about "Kishan": "Helping Hands for Handicapped in Rajasthan, organized by our Brother Kishan Singh". And about Napoleon Zaki, "we are support xxxx Ministry, run by our Brother Napoleon Zaki"Linda also has a "secretary" with a very funny name: Andrewson Chris. Photo used in the site belongs to Chris Coyier, a web designer and developer living in Milwaukee. Again, the scammers didn't even changed the photo filename...As for the payment, Linda stated to a US prospective client: "We will accept the bank wiring in Pakistan the most needed area for now to build three orphanages and 5 widows houses." A Napolean Zaki, the "Final Beneficiary", will, no doubt, build the "3 orphanages and the 5 widows houses"! 

 

NAMES & EMAILS ASSOCIATED W/ THIS SCAM:
Andrewson Chris / andrewsonchris7@gmail.com
Linda Jane / Jane Linda / j.yiddish.translator@gmail.com / Ph: 001456545447 !!!
Napoleon Zaki / prodical_son2007@yahoo.com (profile on TC is private)
Yee Sum (Chinese Director) / yeesum2006@gmail.com

And there's a lot more at that website. Bob is in this way over his head. What a loser!

Translator Scammers Directory

Notice that the woman running the translation service Bob is using is clearly doing something deceitful. Her website shows a photo of one of her translators, by the name of Kishan Singh, but the photo is actually of wealthy Indian industrialist Gautam Adani.

Banned: Kishan Singh's picture from Linda James website:

Banned: This is who Kishan Singh really is:

Gautam Adani - Billionaire Industrialist

She appears to be taking people's money then running their "translations" through Google Translate and other similar services while pretending that she has a staff of native-language translators.

And Bob has been fooled again, just like he was fooled by his African witch-doctor "ministers."

Some prophet, eh?

Observers will also notice that on the website of Bob's translator, the photo of her secretary, Andrewson Chris is on the Web in a couple of other places as a photo of a Mac user named Chris Coyier.

Banned comment: Even the name Andrewson Chris doesn't make sense in real life, but to an AI translator, it does. Also, notice the words printed in red above, more poor translation.

This is the real Chris Coyier:

Chris Coyier on Life, Work, and Eighteen Years as a Mac User

Bob is a fool.

UPDATE:

Banned: This is who the Translator site is claiming is behind the fake translation site run by scammer Linda Jane:

Can you imagine a bunch of Pakistani Muslims translating Bob's so-called Christian book into dialects where Muslims in Pakistan and elsewhere live and do it accurately? What a farce Bob has turned into.

Linda Jane claims to charge between 3-5 cents per word to translate a book from English. 

This is what real translators charge per word. Notice what they say about these fake sites like Linda Janes:

How Much Does It Cost to Hire a Translator in 2023?

The average cost of a professional translator can range anywhere from $0.10 to $0.30 per word, depending on the language pair being translated, the quality of the translation, the turnaround time, and other factors. Translation agencies may charge a flat fee, but freelance translators may charge by the hour or by the word. The cost of translation can vary depending on the language pair, with some language combinations being more expensive than others. And yes, you will find 100s of people calling themselves translators on Upwork and similar sites. They all will tell how great they are and will quote you like 10% of what any reasonable translation agency would chargé you but there’s a catch. They are not pros! They use public Google Translate to handle your job. Do you know what that means? GT terms and conditions for publicly available free service state that Google is free to use your data you input into GT for any purposes they see fit. It's the security and confidentiality, stupid! (As Bill Clinton would put it.)

For example, a Spanish translator may charge a higher rate than an English translator, because Spanish is considered a high-demand language. Translations between English and Spanish are typically more affordable than those between English and Chinese. The reason for this is that there are more English-Spanish translators available than English-Chinese translators, so there is more competition and lower prices. It is also important to consider the quality of the translation when determining how much to pay for a translator.

Similarly, a translator who specializes in medical documents may charge a higher rate than one who translates marketing materials. Or vice versa. The best way to get an accurate estimate of how much it will cost to hire a translator is to send the text to be translated, along with any instructions or context, to several different translation agencies or freelance translators and request quotes. The total cost will also depend on the length of the text; for example, a short document may only cost a few hundred dollars to translate, while a longer document could cost several thousand dollars. In general, though, it is usually more cost-effective to use a translation agency or team of translators rather than relying on Google Translate or other online services, which often produce inaccurate results.

High-quality translations are typically more expensive than literal translations, but they are worth the investment if your target audience is in a different region or speaks a different language. Finally, keep in mind that the price of translation is often based on the length of the source text. The longer the text, the higher the price will be. This is because it takes longer to translate a longer text, so translators need to be paid for their time.

Happy hunting!

Per-Word Rate

The per-word rate for hiring a translator can vary greatly, depending on the level of skill required. In general, a translator's experience and skill level increase their rate. Experienced translators have the advantage of higher rates because they can handle highly technical content with ease. When interviewing translation vendors, it is important to request a portfolio of samples and references of their work, including actual texts that the vendor has translated for their clients.

Although set-rate pricing is the traditional method, some clients still use a per-word rate. These rates are usually based on the number of words in the source document and the target language document. This way, clients can see the cost breakdown and know what to expect. Additionally, when using per-word pricing, it is crucial to choose a quality-oriented Language Services Provider (LSP) with the experience and expertise to ensure your documents are translated accurately. If you hire a novice linguist, you risk having your documents translated incorrectly or with an unprofessional appearance.

 

While hiring an in-house translator is usually less expensive, it is possible to find a professional who works on a freelance basis. Most freelance translators charge a per-word rate. This rate is usually lower than the hourly rate. The reason for this is that the freelancer is paid based on the number of words they translate.

 

The cost of hiring a translator varies depending on a number of factors including the language, region, and area of specialization. A minimum of $12 per word is recommended by the American Translators Association, but rates vary according to region and experience. You can also pay more if you need a rush translation. For example, a translator in Louisville, Kentucky, charges $.02 per word if a translation matches 100% of the original. For a 94% to 95 percent match, the rate increases to $.03 per word. If the translation matches only 65% of the words in the original language, the rate may be higher.

 

Translators advertise their services with confidence and charge appropriate rates. It is also important to list which languages they should translate, as some languages are more expensive than others. The cost of each language varies depending on the demand and supply curve.

Hourly Rate

If you are planning to hire a translator, you may need to determine the price of the project in advance. Translators usually quote their prices per word but use hourly rates, too, especially for revision, review and quality assurance tasks, as well as for Machine Translation Post-Editing (MTPE or PEMT). For instance, they may charge you $40 per word if the project will take three hours to complete. Of course, this can differ depending on the type of project and the deadline.

 

It is difficult to estimate how long a project will take since the language and the subject matter vary greatly. A translation of 5,000 words will take more time than a translation of 500 words. In addition, a translator's experience, education, and subject matter all play a role in the actual number of hours spent translating a project.

 

If you plan on hiring a translator for a specific project, you should first determine what kind of content you require. Oftentimes, highly technical content is difficult to translate and requires specialized vocabulary. This can be a problem even for native speakers. These types of projects require specialists who have experience in the language.

Languages That Cost More to Translate

There are certain languages that cost more to translate than others. For example, Norwegian, Swedish, and Icelandic are some of the more expensive languages to translate. While this may sound like an unfair comparison, these languages have much lower numbers of native speakers, which makes them more expensive to translate. Other languages that tend to cost more to translate are Portuguese, French, Japanese, and Italian.

 

Languages with more difficult language systems are more expensive to translate than others. For example, Japanese has a different writing system than English, which means that it is difficult to find translators who understand the Japanese writing style. In addition, the length of the document will also determine the price of a translation. A shorter document will take less time to translate, and therefore will cost less.

 

The price of a translation depends on several factors, including the type of project and the type of provider. The most common pricing methods are per hour or per word are used for calculations and quoting. But other methods are available as well, such as character, line, and page. The exact cost of a translation project will depend on many factors, including the size of the project and the amount of text it contains.

 

Another factor that affects the price of translation services is the level of expertise of the translators. Some translators are better than others, but if they are new to the language, you can expect the cost to be higher than if you were using a native speaker. In addition, the cost of living for a native speaker of a language can make translations more expensive. 

After reading this it should be quite obvious that Bob is paying exorbitant amounts of money to translate his book or he is blatantly lying about having over 1500 languages in print at this time. The cost has to be out of the roof if he is using real translators. But we all know he is not.

This website says this about the cost of book translations:

Generally, book translation cost ranges from $0.08 to $0.18 per word. If you have a 10,000-word, it will cost between $800 and $1,800 for translation. The cost may change depending on various factors that we will deeply express in the next part. gtelocalize

The Translation Company says this:

Per-word rate is the most common measurement for pricing in the translation industry. Translation services rates in 2023 range from $0.09 to $0.40 per word in the United States. These rates vary due to factors such as choice of language, volume, turnaround, and subject matter.

  

Banned comment: 

Anyone with half a brain can look at Linda James's translation website and see how poorly it is designed. "Linda" clearly is NOT an American and is most likely parked in Gaza, India or Pakistan pretending to speak American English. The wording and phrases are not standard American English and are more likely straight from an AI language translator.

As the person said above, Bob Thiel is a fool! Not only has he fallen prey to his African swindlers masquerading as Christian evangelists, but he has fallen for one of the biggest translation scams out there! And, all of this isn't even including his fake degree in Theology from a "seminary" in India that is housed in a double-wide trailer.

The really sad part in all of this is that some of those African followers are no doubt sincere Christians wanting to do what is right. The problem is that they are being led by religious frauds like Bob Thiel and his fake adulterous and witchcraft-practicing evangelists.