A Linda Jane, from Huntsville, Alabama, USA, she says, acts, since at least 2015, as the "stateside" point of contact for unwary translation clients, mainly those requesting Asian languages for Christian materials. She even has a website to show (but, of course, with no address and no phone number): Teams of Translators / teams-of-translators.webnode.com . The website shows very interesting characters.
From an anonymous source: Banned additions in red. Also, note that this is a compilation of three separate emails.
Wow!
Bob has gotten huffy about those who've figured out that his many new translations are done via AI. He has denied that he uses AI for his translations. Well, it turns out that this is just another half-truth.
Bob is paying a shady service that at the very least makes false claims about its translators, using photos of other people deceptively and putting false names to those photos. It appears that Bob's translation service uses AI while claiming otherwise, and while making false claims about its "translators". I looked up the "Linda Jane" who Bob mentions in his 11/16 letter to the CCOG brethren, and it turns out that she's a scammer. Skip to Note 147 (posted below) here: Translator-Scammers-Notes
Banned: This is what Bob Thiel wrote in the November 16 Letter to the Brethren:
An anti-Church of God website, with no basis in fact, falsely posted that what we are receiving are Artificial Intelligence (AI) translations of our The Gospel of the Kingdom of God booklet.
That is not the case.
Additionally, I again asked the translation leader about how the translations are done, and here is what she sent me on Tuesday:
Dear Sir,How are you? I hope you are doing well.First of all, I am sorry to write a reply to your last email. I was busy with certain other projects.Secondly, I already have mentioned, that we are connected through a large network of translators, proofreaders, teachers, preachers, Pastors and publishers around the world.When you asked me to start translating “The Gospel of the Kingdom of God” into as many languages as possible, I immediately communicated with the network and we started working on it for as many languages as we could.Thirdly, we got each and every work proofread through human efforts and whenever we got negative comments, we rejected that specific file and didn’t send you. So, be assured that these are purely human translations.Fourthly, we have received hundreds of translations already that we haven’t yet sent you because Brother David Lewis works on these files, arranges them, converts them into PDF and then sends them to you. …In Christ,Linda Jane.
Anyway, it looks like we will receive hundreds more translations of our booklet in the future, so that means we may have over 1,000 different languages/dialects by the end of this calendar year. Perhaps one day 2,000 or more!
Banned: This is Note 147 mentioned above:
Kishan Singh (from India). Photo used in the site belongs to to Gautam Adani, one of richest men in India... The scammers didn't even changed the photo filename... Linda has nice words about "Kishan": "Helping Hands for Handicapped in Rajasthan, organized by our Brother Kishan Singh". And about Napoleon Zaki, "we are support xxxx Ministry, run by our Brother Napoleon Zaki"Linda also has a "secretary" with a very funny name: Andrewson Chris. Photo used in the site belongs to Chris Coyier, a web designer and developer living in Milwaukee. Again, the scammers didn't even changed the photo filename...As for the payment, Linda stated to a US prospective client: "We will accept the bank wiring in Pakistan the most needed area for now to build three orphanages and 5 widows houses." A Napolean Zaki, the "Final Beneficiary", will, no doubt, build the "3 orphanages and the 5 widows houses"!
NAMES & EMAILS ASSOCIATED W/ THIS SCAM:
Andrewson Chris / andrewsonchris7@gmail.com
Linda Jane / Jane Linda / j.yiddish.translator@gmail.com / Ph: 001456545447 !!!
Napoleon Zaki / prodical_son2007@yahoo.com (profile on TC is private)
Yee Sum (Chinese Director) / yeesum2006@gmail.com
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And there's a lot more at that website. Bob is in this way over his head. What a loser!
Notice that the woman running the translation service Bob is using is clearly doing something deceitful. Her website shows a photo of one of her translators, by the name of Kishan Singh, but the photo is actually of wealthy Indian industrialist Gautam Adani.
Banned: Kishan Singh's picture from Linda James website:
She appears to be taking people's money then running their "translations" through Google Translate and other similar services while pretending that she has a staff of native-language translators.
And Bob has been fooled again, just like he was fooled by his African witch-doctor "ministers."
Some prophet, eh?
Observers will also notice that on the website of Bob's translator, the photo of her secretary, Andrewson Chris is on the Web in a couple of other places as a photo of a Mac user named Chris Coyier.
Bob is a fool.
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After reading this it should be quite obvious that Bob is paying exorbitant amounts of money to translate his book or he is blatantly lying about having over 1500 languages in print at this time. The cost has to be out of the roof if he is using real translators. But we all know he is not.
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Is Bob really such a simpleton, such a fool? He apparently makes very good money running his naturopathy business, which he couldn't do if he was such an easily deceived moron as he seems to be. So we are forced to draw the conclusion that Bob is a deliberate and conscious deceiver, who has somehow justified to his own conscience his many deceits.
Damn! Every day there is something new damaging Bob's credibility as a Church of God leader. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
Waiting for Bob's reassurance that all is well and that this discrediting of his translation leader Linda Jane is just a very elaborate Satanic deepfake meant to cast doubt on Bwana Bob's amazing Prophetness.
Part of me wants to say I am shocked, but I can't say that. Knowing Bob when he was in LCG and how he acted this is all coming back to burn him in the ass. All of his prideful boasting has been a lie all along. Many of us knew it but he did his best to stamp our viewpoints out. Now his mistakes are out there for the world to see. I used to like Bob but now view him as a complete fraud in God's Church.
Cats out of the Bag for Pastor Dr Bobby 🙀🙀🙀
Must give credit where it's due here. Good detective work.
Bob read that broken English from "Linda Jane" and took it seriously? He must fall for every email scam out there.
Boob is always trying to look "Larger Than Life", with his goofy degrees, fake ordination, and claims of being a prophet, thousands of followers and more.
So he wants everyone to believe that he has some kind of "staff" working on translating his "wonderful missives" into hundreds of languages. Truth be told, nobody would care that he was using an AI translator, but that just doesn't seem impressive enough to the ego driven Thiel.
Come on Booby, have some gravitas and actually minister to your so called "followers" by moving to Africa and living there.
Well, this would not be nearly so laughable if Bob hadn't been so upfront with his paranoia about " deep fakes" of him personally!
So Bob got fooled. What did you expect? He fell for HWA. He fell for LCG. He fell for the Bible and still has not wised up. It is hardly surprising. He fell for all that because he does not check things out deeply. He just believes one side.
Bob seems to show a pattern of trusting scammers. If people tell him what he wants to hear, he'll believe them without checking up on them.
What will happen when Bob gets an email from a friendly Nigerian prince who wants to make a big donation to CCOG but has been locked out of his bank account and needs Bob's bank account information to complete the funds transfer?
“ Bob seems to show a pattern of trusting scammers. If people tell him what he wants to hear, he'll believe them without checking up on them.”
Bob has been falling for the homeopathic and naturopathic scams for years. The fact he has fallen for this scam should not be surprising.
Bob has been falling for the homeopathic and naturopathic scams for years. The fact he has fallen for this scam should not be surprising.
I used to give Bob credit for being sincere in his beliefs regarding naturopathy. But now that I see how very comfortably he works with scammers, even defending them when it isn't necessary to do so, I wonder whether even his naturopathic business isn't a conscious scam, and that Bob knowingly found a health con he could work on a particular group of gullible people before he expanded into a spiritual con that he could work on other gullible people.
He trusts the scammers, but when we here try to set him straight and show him the real deal, he builds a steel-reenforced concrete wall ten feet thick, and calls us mockers, scoffers, and anti-coggers. Seems like he's got a discernment malfunction.
And in Gary's and Tonto's cases, accusers of the brethren!
Just for reference, Bob's Gospel of the Kingdom of God booklet has a bit more than 21,000 words. So we can estimate the translation costs accordingly.
Bob's booklet is 67 pages:
65 pages is 32500 words single-spaced or 16250 words double-spaced. Typical documents that are 65 pages include include novels, novellas, and other published books. A typical single-spaced page is 500 words long.
https://capitalizemytitle.com/page-count/65-pages/#:~:text=65%20pages%20is%2032500%20words,page%20is%20500%20words%20long
Here is how Boob's book ranks:
Best Sellers Rank: #3,607,458 in Books
#467,593 in Christian Books & Bibles
Booby has been quiet today. I expect him to unleash a self-righteous tirade on Saturday or Sunday defending his amazing ministry and how this is all a Satanic ruse to discredit his true church. Get behind me Deep Fakes!
Even with just 250 translations done at Linda Jane's lowest published rate, that's an expense of $150,000 for automated work he could have done for free. Maybe she is giving Bob a volume discount? But if she can give Bob translations for less than 3 cents per word, you would think Bob could figure out that no human being could earn a living charging such low fees. So why did Bob go to such lengths to defend Linda Jane's claim that there are human workers not just translating but also proofreading the translations?
Booby has been quiet today. I expect him to unleash a self-righteous tirade
What can he possibly say? We have documented that his Linda Jane misrepresents the identities of the people she claims to use as translators. We've documented that she falsely claims expertise by impersonating the identities of real translators who don't actually work for her. And we have documented that at her published prices no human being can do the translation and proofreading Bob says has been done. She's a scumbag, like his African minions. And she probably isn't really "Linda Jane".
All of this would not have become a problem if Bob hadn't insisted that he wasn't using AI-generated translations. But he did. Just as he did in Africa, Bob chose to defend a scammer when he didn't have to. So now he's exposed again as a non-prophet ministry.
The world is full of scams. WCG was a scam. GCI is a scam. RCG is a scam. It's about time one of the scammers got scammed.
Can you imagine a bunch of Pakistani Muslims translating Bob's so-called Christian book into dialects where Muslims in Pakistan and elsewhere live and do it accurately?
Yet how many Bibles are printed in China - a place where legitimate mainstream Christianity really IS banned and under attack? Quite a few, it seems.
“ Yet how many Bibles are printed in China - a place where legitimate mainstream Christianity really IS banned and under attack? ”
While that is true, the Chinese and Muslims operate on two different wavelengths. Almost all Bibles are published in China and that relationship is always precarious due to politics over religious ideas. Islam however is hostile to Christianity will do whatever they can to inhibit it’s spread.
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/12/chinas-threat-to-the-bible
Wow Bob is wasting so much money just for the glory of his own Ego. When will people in the so called "Continuing Church of God" Wake up? Between criminal activity in Africa and now scam translations what else could go wrong with fake prophet Bob?
The website is really bad - talk about major red flags. This is yet another proof that Bob Thiel is a snake oil salesman.
The illusion of a building snowball: Is it worth throwing a certain amount of money away? Well, I guess, that is unless one gets caught and is exposed. Why would one do this, or how could one do this, when dealing in the Gospel? What is the game plan? Fake it for as long as required and then take it legitimate? When you start that way, wouldn't it curse your ministry?
The thing is, I once knew someone, a believer who worked for a large effort not even related to the COG, one in which many shady things were done, and when he discovered what he was caught up in, was compelled by his conscience to quit and to find an honest effort to support. In fact, I knew of this long before I had ever known of Bob Thiel. So, this kind of charade does exist, and is not unique to Armstrongism. It seems soul-killing, although someone must be doing a cost/benefit analysis and by fractured logic or math, rationalizing that it must be worth all of that. We expect it in Armstrongism, because fakery begets fakery, although the sincere lay people who are victims of the scam are either innocent and unknowing, or naive and willfully blind.
It is possible, through consistent hard work, to legitimately become well known and highly compensated in ones profession without all the hype and fakery. The rewards are greater, more legitimate, sustainable, and one gets to keep them. What kind of person would be satisfied with a fake version of that? It almost seems as if one would have to do the same amount of work on either path. One fact looms above all others. It has to do with what we all know about ourselves. At the end of the road, there is much deeper satisfaction in knowing that one has done the right thing in the right way with the right motivations.
Just going through the languages Bob brags about in his July 6 letter with names that start with A, we see that Bob has purchased translations into at least three languages with fewer than 500 speakers. Yet Bob tells us that he purchased human-produced translations. What are the odds that these remote tribes have fluently bilingual English speaking members who could do the translations for Linda Jane? Most likely these translations would have to be done by highly trained linguistic specialists who don’t come cheap. Bob, if you are reading this and you can confirm that Linda Jane charged you the same for the Amawaka or Akurio translations as she did for the Alsatian or Achi translations, and certainly if she charged you the same for any of those four that she charged you for the much more prevalent Afrikaans or Albanian, you can be 100 percent confident that you have publicly defended another lying liar.
And that’s just 1/26 of the alphabet! And yet, we could argue that Bob did absolutely nothing wrong until he put his prophethood on the line by sharing Linda Jane's lies with his CCOG members. It is Bob's prerogative to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars purchasing AI-performed translations, but it is not the prerogative of a prophet to lie about those translations or to spread his workers' lies to the members of his church.
The fact that Linda Jane states that money garnered from translating the books will be donated to orphanages and widows' homes in the most needed areas where the translators live is a HUGE red herring. As if these translators are doing this for free! How much money has Bob directed into the personal bank accounts of con artists over the years? The Nigerian scammers have nothing over these crooks. Bob truly is a FOOL!
Good grief! This truly makes Bob look stupid! How could he have fallen for such a scam? As someone noted above, just a general scan of the site shows it is poorly designed and has horrible syntax. Bob has no way of proofing the translations that he has received to see if they are accurate. He is relying on a scammer to tell him they are true and accurate. Bob has stripped away any credibility he thinks he has. I am sure Gaylyn Bonjour had no idea he was "doubly blessing" a scammer like Bob has turned into.
We now know Dr Pastor Bobby is Totally Bogus in everything he does/ I knew all about the African corruption, which is really Bad, but I did wonder how he could get so many of these translations for such a cheap Price/ he just wasted Tithe Payers Money on Fake People claiming their working on translations , when he would've been better off to admit the Truth/ but maybe there putting Mind Zombie spells on him to render him a Moron/ The Truth is coming out on a Great many things/ All his so called 3,000 members in Malawi are completely gone. Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God has completely taken Malawi/ Radson Mulozowa is Dying/ his so called Registration in Malawi was a complete Forge Job all these years / Soon he'll be banned from Malawi Mozambique soon to follow/ It's like I said, this is the end of the Continuing church of God and Prophet Bobby😱😱😱🙀🙀🙀
The guy worries about deep fakes, but allows scammers to translate his booklets. They could be inserting horrendous graphic pornography into Bible verses Bob might cite in his booklets regarding David and Bathsheba, or Lot's daughters. I don't know if he ever quotes Song of Solomon, but imagine what they could do to that! The point is, he'd never know! Fortunately, I have a feeling that most of Bob's free stuff is used as wall paper or toilet tissue, but he's certainly not being a very good steward of his version of the gospel, is he?
Stupid is as Stupid Does/ 2023 will go down in the Anals of Church of God circles as the year that the Great Muzungu Prophet Savior of Africa and his Dwindling Caucasian members went down the Rabbit Hole never to return. There should be a book on Bob Thiel and the CCOG, that reads Greatest Lies to the Brethren ever Told/ I feel sorry for the people that are still in CCOG, someday they'll wake up and hopefully smell the Coffee/I'll be there to tell them, Brother/Sister welcome back from the Twilight zone. It's been a wild Ride this week, stayed tuned folks, more to come, 🤣🙀🙀
Hey! Wouldn't it be a cool gas if Bob's materials got translated in the sense that Elijah was translated?
allows scammers to translate his booklets. They could be inserting horrendous graphic pornography into Bible verses Bob might cite
I doubt it. The scam is that these translators claim to be providing human translations, but all they need to know is how to run whatever AI translation tools they are using. They would have to actually know something about the languages in order to add horrible porn. On the other hand, neither the AIs nor the human scammers know Bob's doctrines, so they could be messing up on much more ordinary detail.
How long will it be before Bob tells us that one of India's wealthiest industrialists works for Linda Jane under a pseudonym?
Will Bob now blame God for not giving him the prophetic insight to avoid an AI translation scam? Or will Bob humbly blame himself for not heeding God's perfect instructions to His prophet?
Bob is without error and cannot make a mistake. At least that Is what his deluded mind thinks. "god" is on his side sending him dreams, but apparently no dream was sent telling him he was being conned.
Trusting a web entity appearing to be a blond female with a suspicious name like "Linda Jane" who is connected with all the foreign portraits of guys from India posing as their brother Darryl & their other brother Darrell seems gullible, & hardly wise as serpent or harmless as dove, if tithes & offerings might be going to scams and games & schemes.
I'm guessing there are no translators listed with the Better Business Bureau or on Angie's List? Oops! Forgot! That's not Bob's style, as we might have guessed from the quality of the Alma Maters listed on his resume!
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