Dave Pack: HWA Being Resurrected So He Can Come Back and Flatten Jerusalem So Christ Can Build The New Jerusalem

Things are getting crazier and crazier in Wadsworth as Dave Pack sinks further into mental delusions. With over 8 decades of absolute absurdities uttered by Gerald Waterhouse, Rod Meredith, Gerald Flurry, Bob Thiel, James Malm and Herbert Armstrong; Dave Pack is putting them all to shame.  Decades of false prophecies and outright lies have resulted in the delusional mind of Dave Pack.

In a previous post I quoted Dave where he said Herbert Armstrong was going to be resurrected first, above almost all people in human history.  There is a reason for that.  Herb is coming back early so he can destroy Jerusalem who is the Great Whore of Revelation...according to Dave.  HWA's power will be so incredible that the will wipe Jerusalem and all of its inhabitants off the face of the earth so that the New Jerusalem can replace it...with Dave walking up the steps of the new temple to greet Jesus.  Of course this all happens after Dave and his members go to Jerusalem several years earlier and save it and its inhabitants from the wrath of Satan.   Sound crazy?  It only gets worse.

First, let me tell you what it is and why Mr. Armstrong is tied to it. That “mountain” is the seventh resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire that Jesus Christ comes and throws down, ultimately destroys. Remember, we go to Jerusalem and we save Jerusalem from all nations of the world gathered against it.

Now…I have to bring Daniel and Jeremiah and Ezekiel and more of Isaiah, coming in a sermon in four weeks, but that great mountain, which, in his life time, was probably more like the State of California going against him…It isn’t America…It isn’t any other country…But apparently, the man to whom God revealed the sixth resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire is going to be the one who personally deals with the seventh one. I know of no other way to explain it. He apparently is going to flatten it…and using others, no doubt, and angels. If there’s some other way to take it, I don’t know.

And then he’s going to bring forth the Headstone, as the Chief Administrator. I believe Elijah’s task…As I’ve explained…he does a different thing before and after. He works with the nations of Israel. I understand that. But he will then introduce—to the entire world—Jesus Christ. That’s why three verses after saving Judah, and I believe Mr. Armstrong…You can understand why he would have to come back well in advance—get back into context. And you can understand why, at the end of the book of Haggai—you’ve been chosen for a time when I shake the heavens and the earth—at the time Christ comes back to His Temple—and “I’m going to throw down the kingdoms, the thrones and the armies—the strengths of the heathen—and I have chosen you” in that context. It’s impossible to misunderstand.

And this becomes…By the way, now that you understand, there’s another great world government…not world government…we’ll call it European…but, the Vatican reaches all nations of the world with Catholics and others so that Mr. Armstrong…someone…is going to have to deal with and throw down and flatten. A great mountain that gets flattened.

It’s interesting. When you look at the description of Mr. Armstrong, there in the end of Haggai, and the time that God is bringing him back to take down…among many other things, to take down the seventh resurrection, you think of Isaiah 2 and Micah 4. What’s the biggest thing on God’s mind when He sets up His government? He’s going to teach the nations to learn no more war. They’re notgoing to learn war any more. He’s got to stop it. 

This week, the Russians announced a new missile called “The Son of Satan.” The whole world is trembling as they read about this weapon. One single missile can carry ten warheads. Each of those warheads over 1,300 times more powerful than what hit Hiroshima. And it can independently target…With a single missile, it said, we can wipe out France…Wednesday and Thursday, we can wipe out the entirety of Texas, one missile.

Each warhead—ten warheads—750 kilotons. Hiroshima was hit with 15…Multiply that times ten. 7,500 kilotons in a single missile and they think they can get it up to 20,000 in one missile that flies so fast you can’t track it or stop it…And Hiroshima was 15. So divide 15 into 7,500 kilotons and you get 1,333. The article I read said they think they can, eventually, get 20,000 kilotons on each of the ten warheads—not the missile. So, they can get 200,000 kilotons on one missile that will split ten ways. They’ll erase all life on Earth…That’s just this week.…And they have super systems. So, in Poland and Romania on Thursday and Friday…And the Russians are upset a missile defense system goes up. Shock of shocks…

But, there’s coming a world war of spectacular proportion. Whether nukes are ever allowed to be used, we’ll have to see. It will be church and state. Europe is going to have to respond. I will show you so much more. I know much more of the detail than I have time to tell you.

Dave claims that HWA is going to lead the armies of Dave's god as he destroys the kingdoms of the earth.  HWA should like this since he always thought he was something special and powerful.

Suffice to say, Christ knows “Before I get anywhere, we’re going to disarm” and Mr. Armstrong will be the one…As near as I can read and understand it, Mr. Armstrong will be the one that leads the way as God throws down all of the kingdoms, the thrones of the kingdoms and the strengths of the kingdoms of the heathen and disarms the world before the kingdom of God goes on to all that it will be in the first phases of the Kingdom.

There’s much more to cover. In weeks to come, I will show you more about how Mr. Armstrong was, in fact, right on several things we thought might be wrong, merely because the timing was wrong. Zerubbabel…You know…That he was Zerubbabel is just one example of things we have seen that were right. But if you don’t know about a resurrection of the dead…I mean, brethren, how am I going to know he was Zerubbabel? But, finally, God breaks the code like with so many other things.

We are in a very evil time—and I mean, a terrible time—and I don’t think we have long. That’s a different discussion. But, maybe you’ll enjoy thinking about that “three years” business. I will have a lot more to say in three weeks. 

Only Philadelphia Christians In Falsely Named Continuing Church of God To Be Protected In Tribulation

While Almost Arrested, Elisha, Elijah, Joshua, Amos, Doubly Blessed, Mayan Authority, Dreamweaver, Apostle, Prophet, Witness Bob Thiel was gallivanting around Serbia for his "feast" he was posting various topics of doom and gloom.  One day he was discussing how "scared" people are to walk around in the dark, of cyber-theft and public speaking. 

California-based Chapman University questioned 1,500 people from across the United States to reach its conclusions. The survey found that the top five things that scare Americans the most are: walking alone at night, becoming the victim of identity theft, Internet safety, being the victim of a mass/random shooting, and public speaking.

Fear is the main thing that keeps the Almost Arrested Doubly Blessed Apostle in business.   He tells his followers to be prudent and be alert because all kinds of hell will soon be happening.  If you are not awake and following him works for word then you will be unaware and you will suffer.  It then is apparently YOUR fault!

Of course, natural and other disasters are coming and it is wise to take physical and spiritual steps to deal with them. Yet, many with fears and worries take few, if any, effect steps to deal with such matters. 

As far as taking proper preparation goes, the Bible teaches the following:

3 A prudent man forsees evil and hides himself, But the simple pass on and are punished. (Proverbs 22:3) 

That does not mean that there will be no difficulties, but that proper steps should be taken. Jesus said:

43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. (Matthew 24:43-44).

So brethren, listen to the Almost Arrested Prophet and his wise words, follow him and you WILL be protected!

People need to take proper spiritual steps now.

Trials and tribulations are coming, but those who will heed the call to be Philadelphian Christians in this age can be protected from the coming hour of trial that will come upon the earth 

Please consider your spiritual state, no matter where you may live. Just because you profess Jesus Christ and may keep the commandments does NOT mean that you will be protected. Only the Philadelphian Christians are promised protection and they have a different focus on truly doing the work (Matthew 24:14; 28:19-20) in these end times.

Rod Meredith Suffered Great Trauma When He Was 12 Years Old...All Thanks To His Mother

Meredith's deep seated aversion to sexuality had to have been formed prior to this incident when he was 12 years old.  His mind was already looking at sex as perverse.

I had dance classes all through elementary school and at no time was it sexualized with panting boys lusting after girls.  Even dance classes at Ambassador did not lead to coeds fornicating in the Student Center mail room or the Frontier Room.

"Even back in the 1940s, my mother and her friends - no doubt like millions of mothers all across the United States - had pushed me and dozens of my classmates to attend "dancing school" - where we were taught to dance face to face and chest to chest with young girls barely entering puberty. We were just little children who wanted to play baseball and "kick the can." God does not forbid dancing, of course, but He does command us to "flee sexual immorality" (1 Corinthians 6:18). Why did our mothers push us into the kind of semi-romantic, semi-sexual behavior involved in that kind of dancing when we were only twelve years old?"

Uh...

"We were so embarrassed at holding these girls in our arms that we simply took off running - not knowing what else to do with ourselves. It would be several years before we were truly ready for such "romantic" involvements even in an innocent way. Why were our mothers pressuring us into this kind of precocious behavior?"

Uh...

Rod's childhood was traumatised by dancing lessons at age twelve? Rod - now a septuagenarian - still has unresolved issues with his mother?

As they say, "who'd have thunk it?"

Memories from the old Alumni Discussion board

Refuting Dave Pack's Irrefutable Fallacies: : Epilogue

David C Pack: "Everyone who has challenged me has either died, been seriously injured or has been eliminated from the work."

The following appeared in the 1985 issue of the Ambassador Report. Thirty some years later and Dave Pack still has not changed.

David Pack's Reign of Terror 

On the night of Roxanne Elliott's death, one of the last people - probably the very last one - Lois Elliott phoned before the tragedy was WCG minister David Pack, pastor of the Buffalo (North), New York congregation.. Exactly what was said, we don't know. At least not yet. That information may well come out should Lois Elliott ever recover sufficiently to stand trial. What is remarkable, however, is how often Pack's name seems to appear in conjunction with tragedies in the WCG. For a number of years now, no WCG minister's name has appeared more often in letters written to the Report complaining of ministerial abuse. 

Pack, a burly 6-foot, 5-inch Ambassador College graduate known locally for his authoritarian style, has so incensed some in his flock that a group have circulated an open letter detailing his abuses and have called for his removal. The letter describes Pack's ministerial leadership as a "Reign of Terror." On the cover page, addressed to WCG headquarters leaders, they wrote: "David's power-crazed quest to totally dominate the mind, body, and spirit of church members has not been done in a corner and has been done clearly in view of all to see at headquarters in Pasadena." 

On the following 13 pages of their letter the allegations about Pack read like a horror story. The authors contend that Pack constantly intimidates members, uses threats and mind-control methods, is given to extreme emotional outbursts, is highly political, believes in winning at all cost, has disfellowshipped members for trivial faults, prescribes diets while "playing M.D.," insists on being addressed as Mr. Pack, enjoys wearing skimpy, skin-tight shorts to sporting events, has actually worn a wolf costume to church socials, enjoys putting down women, and told one married woman with children, "It would be better for you to shack up one night with a man than wear makeup." 

The letter quotes Pack as having said, "Everyone who has challenged me has either died, been seriously injured or has been eliminated from the work." And, "God backs me even if I am wrong." 

On page 7 the authors made this statement to Pack (emphasis ours):

Doesn't it bother you that while you were in charge of the Rochester and Syracuse area there were three suicides? One can only wonder why they chose to kill themselves while you were their main advisor in the area. Perhaps you suggested to one or more of them that they would in no way make it into the Kingdom of God.... A statement such as, "You are no longer in the body of Christ," could have caused one to give up and kill himself.

The above quote was written well before the Elliott family tragedy. Some who knew little Roxanne and her mother Lois Elliott wonder if it might have been a prophecy.

Ambassador Report, June 1985 

Wade Cox: Prophetic Buffoonery...The World in 2027

What is it with all of the crackpots of Armstrongism the have to set timelines for events of the end time to take place in.  Not a single one of these liars has ever told the truth and not a single one of their predictions has ever and will never come to pass.

This is the silliness that Cox is predicting.  Remember this is the same guy that lies that half of the African continent are members of his cult...which we all know is not true since they are all members of Almost Arrested Bob Thiel's cult.

From 1972 to 1975 the Church was given 1260 days to deal with its problems and prophecy, and it failed its task by giving false prophecy. 2012 to 2015 covers the same period at the end of the forty years for repentance of the Church.

By this time the earth will be in serious damage and will require divine intervention.

From 2019 we will have seen the Witnesses and the Messianic system from the Reading of the Law. From 2019 to 2027 the planet will be brought to its knees under the Messiah and subjugated.  

From Atonement 2027 the world will be allocated its inheritance for the Millennium in all lands.

This action then commences the Golden Jubilee, or Jubilee of Jubilees.

The World in 2027 

After twenty-five years of war what might we expect the world to be like?

The planet will be in the throes of the Millennial Warm Period (MilWP). That will be far worse than the last Medieval Warm Period (MWP).

Sea levels should be well over the previous seven-feet levels of the MWP and the Roman Warm Period (RWP).

The destruction of the planet will have taken over 25 years and the effects will continue on into that Jubilee. 

The seas will be dead. The lands will be polluted and the population will be less than ten percent of its 2007 levels.

The long process of repair and restoration will be commenced.

Hadithic Islam, Rabbinical Judaism, and Trinitarian Christianity will be no more. Their ministers, imams and rabbis will be dead in the wars or converted to the true Faith. The only way out of the wars of the end is on our knees before God.

In 2026 and 2027 the nations will send their representatives to Jerusalem for the most important conferences in the history of the world.

Those that do not go there for the Reading of the Law will receive no rain in due season and suffer the plagues of Egypt. The nexus of the Law will be restored and the wages of sin will be obvious and immediate.

On the Tenth day of the Seventh month in the 49^th year of the 120^th Jubilee, or Sunday 20^th September 2026, commencing from dark the previous day, the Jubilee year will commence.

Over that year the nations will be planned and organised into their inheritance. At Atonement in the Fiftieth year of the 120^th Jubilee the Jubilee will be blown, and on the 23^rd day of the Seventh month, immediately following the Last Great Day at the end of the Feast of Tabernacles, the restoration of lands will take place. All people will take up their inheritance within those lands. 

They will commence ploughing and sowing for the first harvest of the millennial system at Passover in 2028. The major harvests of the Southern Hemisphere will be organised in accordance with their seasons and harvests. The Northern Hemisphere will be seriously damaged through the wars.

The earth will have to be restored from 2028 to 2077. This period will mark the change of the entire attitude and approach of the earth’s populace.

From 2028 the Temple system will be under the new priesthood of Melchisedek. The place of worship in Jerusalem will be commenced. This will be the millennial Temple and focal point of worship for the entire world.

Wade Cox: If You Do Not Keep The Sabbath You Are An Ape

Wade Cox, crazier than hell.

Those periods come to an end from the arrival of the Witnesses. The people in them will be brought to repentance and brought into the body of Christ from the periods of the Witnesses, and from the First Resurrection of the Dead, as either spiritual or physical beings. The choice will be theirs alone and the reward theirs alone due to their own errors and choices.

The conversion of Judah is accomplished under the witnesses and from that time no person can enter the First Resurrection. It will be too late.

Satan will be bound and placed in the bottomless pit for the Millennium from the return of the Messiah. 

From the return of the Messiah the nations will be brought down to Megiddo and they will be brought into subjection to the Messiah.

By 2025 the entire world will be in the process of final subjugation for placement in its inheritance and the places in which it needs to be in order to prepare for the millennial system.

In 2026 the last Sabbath Year of this age occurs.

In 2027 the jubilee is blown and the new system takes its place and begins to prepare its own harvests from Atonement.

In 2028 the Millennium commences from the New Moon of Abib, which is the New Year. 

From this date there will be no harvests and no rain in due season for those who do not keep the Laws of God and send their representatives to Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles (Zech. 14:16-21).

It is of great interest that the religious systems of this world do not have any idea of the time frames under which they work and take no action to identify and restore the Laws of God and the Sacred Calendar (see the paper God’s Calendar (No. 156)).

Everyone in the world will be given the opportunity to repent and to take his/her place in the Kingdom of God. Not many people will achieve the First Resurrection in the Last Days.

Most will fail because they simply will not repent of the traditions of men. Hadithic Islam will fail miserably unless it repents and is baptised. As the Koran says if you do not keep the Sabbath of the Lord you are an ape (see Sabbath in the Qur’an (No. 274); Christ in the Koran (No. 163); The Koran on the Bible, the Law and the Covenant (No. 83) and the Hebrew and Islamic Calendar Reconciled (No. 53)). 

All the three main systems of Islam, Judaism and Christianity will become things of the past. They will be part of a bygone age and brought to remembrance no more, along with the people who represented them. Those people will all be in the Second Resurrection at the end of the millennial system.