Exposing the underbelly of Armstrongism in all of its wacky glory! Nothing you read here is made up. What you read here is the up to date face of Herbert W Armstrong's legacy. It's the gritty and dirty behind the scenes look at Armstrongism as you have never seen it before!
With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
We have long discussed here how many of the African churches hop from one organization to another, particularly when it comes to Sabbatarian groups. This was especially evident in the Great Bwana to Africa Bob Thiel's little group.
Christian missionaries in Africa have long recognized that this is an ongoing issue with churches that identify as Christian. Groups go from one organization to another when they find more money and tangible items like, food, computers, building materials, etc being provided as ways to induce members into switching sides. But, Bob being a Bob, has denied his little group would NEVER do such a thing. After all, these are TRUE followers of the one TRUE church on earth today led by the one TRUE man.
While I am sure that the members of these groups are very sincere in their beliefs and understanding, it is the leadership of these groups who tend to be the ones looking for the latest and best opportunity from American-based church groups.
The above screenshot is from the Church of God Scattered Flock, run by Gary Liebold, based out of Seminole, Florida.
One of his church leaders in Africa admits his group has jumped from one Armstrongst Church of God to the next:
Currently, Church of God Scattered Faithful in Kenya has 53 persons attending church services, including 17 baptized members, 14 who are interested in and awaiting baptism, and 22 who are children below 17 years old. Most here came from the Worldwide Church of God, Global Church of God, United Church of God, and the Living Church of God. Our last church affiliation was the Living Church of God, but we left the Living Church of God over doctrinal issues. Since then, we have been renting a meeting place.
This isn't unique to African churches though. American Church of God members do the exact same thing, though they are not looking for tangible gifts, but for those who have the right "truth".
All of them look for whoever is keeping the best truth of a man. Not being a follower of Jesus, but of the man, Herbert Armstrong. What can we expect when we have this kind of nonsense slathered on our brains almost weekly:
This is how brainwashed we were. This is also what allowed hundreds and hundreds of splinter groups to arise over the decades. Each was led by a man who decided he knew better how to interpret Herbert Armstrong's words than the previous guy did. None of these guys ever said when they decided to break off, "Hey, let's follow Jesus for once and do what is right." instead it was always about who was following the closest to Herbert Armstrong's teachings.
Church hopping in Africa will continue from one Sabbatartian group to the next. American church hoppers will continue to jump from one organization to the next as the group leaders die off leaving their groups rudderless.
Why the Anthropomorphic Language Describing God in the Old Testament is Allegory
By Ranger
“Imagery was never intended to define God; rather, imagery is a window through which we see aspects and facets of the nature and character of God.” -- William Paul Young, “Lies We Believe About God”, p. 73, 2017.
God is absolute. I think it is difficult for the human mind to deal with the concept of absoluteness. We are much more familiar with those things that are relative. “Relative” and “absolute” are opposites. If something is relative, it exists on a scale and it is conceivable that it can be scaled up and scaled down. For instance, one person can run faster than another person. If something is absolute, it is not defined across a graded scale but is total.
Absoluteness is a part of our reality. The idea of “nothing” denotes something that is absolute. The null set contains nothing and that is without conceivable exception. But it is a philosophical concept, an abstraction that does not map well to anything we know experientially. Absoluteness, however, is not just an abstraction. Physicists regard the speed of light as absolute among other absolute physical constants. And also, the Bible tells us that God is absolute and we will turn to that next.
The Exegetical Argument for the Absoluteness of God
Those who point out that God is absolute are often criticized for not having supporting scriptures. People are skeptical because, I think, that God’s absoluteness is profoundly disturbing to many. It’s like a scenario where some guy lives in a cave all of his life. And at the age of forty or so someone tells him the cave is not the whole world and leads him to the surface. As they stand on the surface in daylight, he sees the boundless sky for the first time. Does he exult? No, I think he would be profoundly disturbed, maybe even terrified, and would want to immediately retreat to the enclosed security of the cave. Same scenario concerning God’s absoluteness.
God’s absoluteness is difficult for those atheists who see evolution as the driving force of the Cosmos. Hawking said, "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing". That odd statement assumes the existence of gravity, gives no etiology of the Cosmic infrastructure, and is apparently the best that advanced cosmology can offer. The absolute God is the source of the non-evolutionary features of reality, such as existence itself, time, space, the organizational infrastructure (particles and sub-particles) of matter, and others.
So, here are some scriptures. It is important to point out that this is not a proof of God’s existence. That is a separate discussion. This is a logical, scripture-based argument that the Bible asserts an absolute God.
An exegesis:
“By the word of the Lord the heavens were madeand all their host by the breath of his mouth.” (Psalm 33:6)
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1, KJV)
“By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.” (Heb 11:3, ESV)
“All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.” (John 1:3)
It is clear that the Bible asserts that God, the uncaused first cause, created all from nothing. If God created all things then there were no already existing things from which to fabricate the universe. If God had pre-existing substances, then he did not create all things and is not a creator but a fabricator. In Gnostic terminology, a fabricator is not God but a demi-urge. The Bible supports God as creator and not God as fabricator. God the creator then created all things from nothing as testified by scripture.
This means that God created and controls, in totality and without qualification, the created realm including our Cosmos, which is our objective reality. The created realm is his in all of its existential features. Reality does not operate outside his purview as its creator. He created our reality and has absolute possession of it. His complete possession of it does not exist on a scale of some sort. He doesn’t just happen to own the created realm more than others who might be co-owners, for instance. He is absolute.
To Define God by Anthropomorphic Language is to Portray Him as Relative and Deny is Absoluteness
Without a doubt, the Old Testament describes God in human terms. But such scriptures as Psalm 33:6 above tell us that this is not the full story. While there is no neat, cohesive exposition of God’s absoluteness in the Old Testament, we may understand it from the distributed data we are given.
Humans are relative beings. A man may be very strong because of superior musculature. Others may be stronger or weaker than the man. Power in our realm is relative. Some stars generate great energy and other stars lesser energy. A similar scale exists for intelligence. God created human powers and capabilities and they are relative. To say that God is “all-mighty” is the application of a human relative term to God. God may be seen as all-mighty through the lens of human relativity in order to make God more intelligible to humans but it is not a characterization of God in his ontology, his existential essence. God is absolute. Levels of power are meaningless to him. This kind of relative power that is relevant to humans is utterly irrelevant to God. He is not just the biggest kid on the block. And human beings will never be absolute like the uncreated God is. There is an ontological category difference between God and humans in spite of the sound bite “God as God is God.” But that is a separate discussion. The sales pitch to you that you are going to be God-as-God-is-God is a blatant fable. You are relative now and forever. As a created being you will rejoice forever in what God creates ex nihilo (Isaiah 65:18). You will not be a creator but rather a fabricator.
The rule is that if a descriptor is scalable, it is anthropomorphic and allegorical when applied to the absolute God. To accept the anthropomorphic language of the Old Testament as descriptive of God in his essence is to diminish him in the mind to being relative and a denial of his actual absoluteness.
A Remark on Poetry/Allegory in the Bible
I once heard from the Armstrongist pulpit that God rides on a cherub when he goes places. After all, in Psalm 18:10, it says:
“And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.”
This text creates a dramatic picture in the mind, but it is poetry. It is not literally true but is a vivid word painting. It allegorizes God’s swiftness in coming to the rescue of Israel. One might argue that this statement is poetry because God is omnipresent and does not need to go from point A to point B (he is already at both points) and certainly not riding on a cherub – a parallel to human equestrian travel. But while the intentions of the argument are good, there is a problem with the appeal to omnipresence.
On careful consideration, the word omnipresent is a relative rather than absolute concept. Human beings may occupy place in space. Three coordinates can identify that place. But omnipresence means that God occupies all places in space. But what about God’s presence in non-spatial realms? So, omnipresence is just an intensification of the human ability to occupy a place in space. It remains a relative concept. But, in fact, God created space and is not bound by the three-dimensional coordinate system. Humans do not have good words to describe this idea. There is very little language of absoluteness in our daily talk. Writers of theology tend to use the term “transcendent” to capture those qualities of God that are beyond our human relative experience. And if we are careful with language, we must admit that God transcends such terms as omnipresence that are based on human relativity.
Summary Statement
Among those who are close readers of scripture, to believe that God as a relative being in essence is the ultimate lèse majesté. God is great beyond our knowing. We cannot plumb the depths of his absoluteness. Like “infinity”, absoluteness knows no limitations. Yet, we are made in his image. He has placed a little flame of his endless, brilliant fire in the small lamps that we are. No doubt many followers of God down through the ages have thought of him in relative terms rather than absolute terms without injury but also without a fitting appreciation of God. But for those who wish to consider, the horizon is dispelled and boundlessness enters in.
Note: I always marvel that when I write something that exalts God, it makes Armstrongists angry because what I have written does not conform to HWA’s declarations. It as if they have no ability to consider anything for themselves but always default to what HWA said. If God is anthropomorphic and relative like HWA has asserted, I would like to see a well-reasoned rebuttal to what I have written here – not just a collection of ad hominem attacks and inane sound bites.
The filthiness of all David C. Pack’s prophetic sins was washed clean by the blood of Israelis this weekend. During "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 474)" on October 7, 2023, the Pastor General of The Restored Church of God exploited the horrific atrocities against Israel on the Last Great Day to prop up his self-perceived biblical legitimacy.
When the Kingdom of God neglected to appear on the Feast of Trumpets and the Opening Night of the Feast of Tabernacles, David C. Pack became increasingly desperate to whitewash his recent string of failures. After swearing off date-setting during the Feast, he continued to give “maybe” dates supported by lists that “suggested” the Kingdom’s arrival was only days away.
The shocking event early Saturday morning provided David C. Pack with “the lucky break” he had been praying for. The vile attacks committed by Hamas handed him a means to perpetuate the illusion of his authority as a man chosen by God to end the Mystery of God, unseal Daniel, and proclaim the arrival of Jesus Christ.
“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”
― Rahm Emanuel
David C. Pack interweaves the war in Israel with his realizing that he had the Kingdom timing wrong. The two are linked to fulfill a transcendent purpose.
Part 474 – October 7, 2023
@ 01:25 …on Thursday, I began to develop a sense (I’ll explain this) that we could go beyond the Last Great Day. And, of course, the Feast of Tabernacles. It matured yesterday. Last night. I was still a little hopeful yesterday…that our wait might be over. But, no more.
@ 02:06 A great Bible prophecy is underway. I long saw (partially understood), but not fully.
@ 03:52 Now, you know I’ve long-wrestled whether I’m to announce a date.Many verses suggest Yes. Others No.
@ 05:53 But, my job has been to try to see and examine all these other possibilities…Going another year is not one of them, and there was never any doubt of that, but war in Israel today ended all possibility that that could happen.
The world cannot go on another year without Jesus Christ returning because of what began in Israel this weekend. So says David C. Pack.
@ 11:29 But, I walked in this morning to powerful confirmation of timing.And I wanna cite…what began in Israel this morning.
@ 21:54 Let’s remember, I’m gonna show you God did this. I’ll show you His own words where He says what happened today was by His hand, and it becomes the greatest metric. I just wondered [chuckles] when we would see it.
David C. Pack chuckled. He read verses about God’s vengeance upon Israel, he read news stories describing the death and kidnappings of Israeli civilians by Hamas terrorists, and then, he still finds a reason to chuckle.
Thankfully, for the members of The Restored Church of God, their Pastor General has a complete understanding of world events, so he can confidently lead them into the promised land on schedule.
@ 30:43 So, what are we actually seeing? What are we seeing? What is this? What are we seeing on the Last Great Day of the Feast?
The attack came just in the nick of time for David C. Pack to draw a parallel between his revised suspected timing for the arrival of the Kingdom of God and elderly people being murdered in Israel.
@ 35:17 “..and I [God] did it.” Hamas didn’t do this. Now, you have two choices in a way. To say, “Well, Mr. Pack, you sure you got this placed right?” Maybe this massive attack on the Last Great Day of the Feast, when we believe the Kingdom of God is near, is a coincidence. Those are your choices.
The crossing of two lines does not equal providence. Let us reason together.
Line #1: The enemies of God’s people in the Old Testament tried to use obedience to God as an advantage to thwart them. Daniel, Esther, Nehemiah, and Ezra recorded this. The modern nation of Israel is historically attacked on a Sabbath or a Holy Day. This weekend was the fiftieth anniversary of the 1973 attack by Egypt and Syria. The enemies of modern Israel know when they are most vulnerable: on solemn observance days.
Line #2: Every single Holy Day in The Restored Church of God since 2019 is a “Feast when we believe the Kingdom of God is near.” Every year, every Holy Day is a “keep watching” occasion. Whether it is Passover, Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles, or the Last Great Day, David C. Pack fills his followers with hopeful ideas that “this” is the time because we “cannot go another year.”
Line #1 intersected with Line #2 on Saturday. It was not divine. It was inevitable. The collision of two non-miraculous circumstances crossing paths does not mean Bible prophecy manifested before our eyes.
It also does not prove David C. Pack’s validity as an apostle, prophet, or even a man of God. He fraudulently invented the circumstances by which RCG brethren “believe the Kingdom of God is near” and then shamelessly capitalized on the brutalities committed against Israel to further the fantasy that he has some great insight into what God is doing and when He will do it.
It is all a lie. Do not believe David C. Pack. Do not fear David C. Pack. He heeds to the Spirit of Error and the Spirit of Antichrist, enabled by cowardly hirelings like Ryan Denee, Jaco Viljoen, and Frank Lydick, who care not for the sheep.
@ 35:41 I find fascinating that before this attack, I’d come to realize we have a little more time.“We’re not quite there measuring this right.”
The mirage of confirmation is amplified by the power of presumption.
@ 35:56 When this happened…I knew immediately what my assignment was. I finally understood my last assignment.I was to rush to carry out. Now, I’ve given thousands and thousands of sermons.I’ve given almost five hundred just in this Series. You imagine how many thousands of sermons I’ve prepared? I prepared today's sermon faster than any time I ever have in my life, and I'd been giving full sermons over fifty years. I never prepared one this fast.
Thousands of sermons over fifty years prepared, and this one was the fastest. This "fact" carries significance only because he says so. Also, notice that he knew immediately what his assignment was rather than God giving him the assignment. His assignment came from inside his own carnal mind by the power of presumption. Not from God.
@ 38:24 “But make it plain.” I can now make it plain by simply talking about what you’re gonna hear on every television station almost anywhere in the world. Or every website. My job is not to tell you what news commenters or world leaders would say but to make plain what it means.
@ 39:11 So, my assignment became clear and immediate. Rush without notice to call out and make plain the vision that Habakkuk saw.And why it’s gonna last a little while.
For those in RCG who happen upon this article near the Feast in 2024, please remember the words of your Pastor General. Remember how the October 7, 2023 events meant the Kingdom was only a tiny, tiny micron away. And remember that the vision Habakkuk shrieked over was Hamas terrorists slaughtering Israeli civilians.
Today and in 2024, the words of David C. Pack will prove that David C. Pack had no idea what it meant or what God was "gonna do" before Cheshvan 1. If you remember, why are you still there?
@ 1:00:25 Now, it’s easy to understand. It’s easy. There should be no one alive in this church who cannot now see “the day” approaching. See what Habakkuk saw.
For those who have not been reading these articles since June 2022, you would be astounded at the “easy to understand” teachings David C. Pack had to later recant and admit, "I thought I understood. But now I do." He will absolutely do that again when he is forced to “clarify” the vision Habakkuk saw. It will surely come. Wait for it.
Matthew 12:34
…for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
Proverbs 18:7
A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.
@ 1:00:55 So, I want you to think of this terrible event where babies are being slaughtered like dogs and old people, too, and you know, Palestinians dying, I mean, it’s terrible. You don’t want to see anybody die.
His choice of using “you” here instead of “I” or “we” is fascinating. This fully supports my growing understanding of the man.
@ 1:01:11 But think of this terrible event (and I’m gonna use a term with quotes around it) as a “final, great prophesied gift—gift” to those watching that we have the right year.
In David C. Pack’s perverted theology, Israeli citizens being kidnapped and murdered by terrorist monsters proves he is right about timing.
If you think that is a flawed analysis of his viewpoint, think again.
@ 1:15:24 I’ve explained this great prophecy that nobody ever understood about God’s warfare by His hand and affliction by His hand in Judah and Jerusalem that tells us we’re close. And I just don’t think He wants to divulge it.
@ 1:15:46 But, maybe He wouldn’t want everybody else to know who hear because we have people who leak the news outta the church. Or the word gets out ‘cause we have enemies.
If you listen carefully to what David C. Pack said, report on what David C. Pack said, and remember what David C. Pack said, you are considered his enemy.
I, Marc Cebrian, am perfectly comfortable with that. He can call me an enemy. The one thing he cannot call me is a liar.
This weekend, the "final, great gift" for David C. Pack was receiving an opportune circumstance that fuels his self-deception while also shocking doubting brethren back into line. If not for evil-minded Hamas terrorists, most RCG brethren would have gone home from the Feast disappointed because nothing happened the way their Pastor General said it would. The Kingdom of God did not arrive. Jesus Christ did not come.
But now, horrific world news gets the prophetic adrenaline pumping, and people crawling over the fence are startled back into the yard they planned to escape. This buys Dave more time of perceived legitimacy with impending world doom, drawing doubters back to the teat of cultish familiarity.
A war in Israel works out so much better for David C. Pack than just setting a date three months away. The gory headlines will provide self-sustaining fears and fervent Bible study that will glue members to their chairs, ensuring they get to Sabbath Services every week and not hold back on the tithe checks.
During a crisis, nobody leaves the safety of an organization promising protection and good things just ahead. Only a few more weeks, everyone. Just a few more weeks…
The Israeli blood spilled upon the altar of David C. Pack’s megalomania is a perfectly timed sacrifice necessary to perpetuate his lies. He will feed off the reported corpses of babies to reinvigorate the crumbling façade that he is God’s Messenger.
Make no mistake. David C. Pack is a documented false apostle, false teacher, blaspheming liar, hypocrite, and proponent of antichrist theology who will clutch on to the crisis in Israel and ride it for as long as he can. He is a proven false prophet who will not "eventually" become a true prophet. Not by divine fiat. Not by accident.
Do not let fear from your news feed deceive you that David C. Pack knows anything about what God is doing today or that "someday" he will finally figure it out. If you believe your Bible, then you know he is forever forbidden from speaking on God’s behalf in prophetic matters.
Brethren, please remember that no matter how bad things get in the world, none of it makes David C. Pack right. No matter how much fire and blood paint the headlines, they do not mean David C. Pack has God's authority. There are not enough earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanoes, terrorist attacks, or nuclear explosions that will ever make David C. Pack true.
David C. Pack will intentionally use the war in Israel to preoccupy your mind and keep you from accepting what you already know.
Many COG members were in Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, and some are still there waiting for flights out of a war zone.
This Sunday morning despite the mass murders at the Music festival close to the Gaza border, attacks in Israeli settlements, and rocket attacks over much of Israel, many COG members were apparently still considering a post-feast tour of Jordan.
It is time for COG members to stop being such brain-dead simpletons, and for the members of COGWA, LCG, and UCG to stop looking to geriatric and incompetent leadership.
The past several decades are filled with COG members who have mocked God by ruining their lives (marriages, education, and finances) following the advice of under-educated and incompetent church leaders.
Unfortunately, we are now living in an unstable and violent time -- increasing like the 1930s -- and looking to these geriatric fools for advice may well lead to COG members getting themselves and their families killed.
There is a better path. Wisdom cries out to all of us: How long will you COG simpletons love your simple/foolish ways (see Proverbs 1:20-22).
I hope the young people especially in the COG will hear wisdom's cry to all of us!
It is another day in COGland and the craziness continues. Instead of following Christ and being at rest and living life to the fullest, our charlatans in residence just have to keep opening their flytraps and keep saying something stupid.
Today's nuttiness comes from our favorite little guy we seldom talk about here...cough...cough. He now has placed himself on the same level as Jesus when it comes to making mistakes in judgment. All of you silly fools who believe that he makes mistakes seem to forget that Jesus also made a mistake when he brought Judas on board with all the other apostles. Stupid Jesus, how could he be so blind? I'm not like him, but if I were, I'd be in good company. Snort...
This is now the Great Bwana Mzungu Bob responded to Terry Nelson's comment the other day about corruption in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God:
The fact is that I have removed leaders from Kenya, Malawi, and Mozambique for corruption. Additionally, at least two of them who are now in the Hope of Israel signed a statement on September 4, 2022 that the allegations against CCOG minister Radson Mulozowa were false and that they would not make such allegations again. Their statement, along with the signature page, is shown on this page dated 09/23/23 p.m.
Jesus was also accused of being associated with corrupt ones (Luke 7:34). Furthermore, even if I missed any corruption, recall that Jesus wrote, "Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" (John 6:70). Thus, by accepting the view of the post at Banned, one would have disqualified Jesus. Making errors in judgment does not disqualify prophets--if so, that would have also disqualified the Apostle Paul.
If you are a Christian then you understand how Judas was part of the plan of salvation. Bwana Bob and his corrupt church are nowhere near that. In fact, they are at the bottom rung of a bottomless cesspool.
Another thing that the Great Bwana Mzungu is getting his wholistic panties in a twist over is that Terry Nelson and the rest of the Church of God REFUSE to acknowledge that his dreams are validation sent directly from God giving him permission to start a new splinter group when he apostatized from the Living Church of God.
First one about prophets and dreams.
In the past, Terry Nelson did accept my report on dreams.
But now, he seems to have lost knowledge of that and related scriptures.
God said:
Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision;
I speak to him in a dream. (Numbers 12:6)
The Apostle Peter said:
17 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy. (Acts 2:17-18)
So, yes, the God of the Bible uses dreams to communicate to prophets and dreams were prophesied for the end times. And the CCOG has confirmed signs and prophecies...
Here is what the Bible says about false dreamers who lie to the brethren as Bwana Bob is doing:
Zechariah 10:2 For the household gods utter nonsense, and the diviners see lies; they tell false dreams and give empty consolation. Therefore the people wander like sheep; they are afflicted for lack of a shepherd.
Zechariah 11:17 “Woe to my worthless shepherd, who deserts the flock! May the sword strike his arm and his right eye! Let his arm be wholly withered, his right eye utterly blinded!”
Ecclesiastes 5:3
For a dream comes with much business, and a fool's voice with many words.
Ephesians 2:2 In which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Acts 20:29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
Ecclesiastes 5:7
For when dreams increase and words grow many, there is vanity; but God is the one you must fear.
Ecclesiastes 5:7 For in a multitude of dreams and in a flood of words there is worthlessness. Rather [reverently] fear God [and worship Him with awe-filled respect, knowing who He is].
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
2 Corinthians 11:15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
The Great Bwana then goes on to list these PROOFS as validation that he is a true prophet from God.
Let me also add that in 2013 I wrote that Russia would end up with at least some territory then claimed by Ukraine, and also put out a video a couple of days before its 'Special Military Operation' into Ukraine.
Anyone with any knowledge of Russian history or Ukrainian history knows that this has been an endless conflict and the present war is NOT any proof that Bwana Bob was accurate. This has been predicted for decades to happen. Strike one.
In 2013, 2014, and later, I warned about the risk of corona viruses prior to the COVID pandemic.
Coronaviruses spreading through the world thanks to air travel have been spoken about and written about since way before 2013. This is NOT more proof that Bwana Bob is accurate. Strike two.
Those were the most world affecting events since the CCOG formed and I wrote about them before they happened.
I have also warned that a major regional conflict involving Israel would take place before the end (as recently as within the last week in a sermon titled: When Does the 6000 Years End? 2031? 2035?) and such will be the case.
Only a hermit in a cave in outer Mongolia would not know that some kind of conflict was to arise between Israel and the vermin from Hezbollah and Hamas at some point in the future. Strike three, Bobie Boy! You're OUT!
Bwana Bob's jackassery just keeps getting better and better!
Sadly Bob Thiel has deceived himself about his prophet status, as a real prophet of God would never have to keep the validation scheme continually being brought up.
A real prophet of God would have signs and direct revelation from God and not have sketchy dreams as proof of his prophethood.
A real prophet of God would never be so deceived on such a massive scale and be financially supporting evil false ministers and supporting abuses and covering up or turning a blind eye to reality.
A real prophet of God would never use the excuse of saying I'm entitled to a salary, so the money I send to Africa is really my salary, so it really isn't God's money, it's my salary I'm entitled to receive.
Seriously folks Thiel is on record via several witnesses including me and my son as saying this. Would a minister of God, much less a prophet of God say such a weird statement? So does that mean Bob Thiel feels his salary should be in the neighborhood of $150 to $200,000 a year, almost half of the Continuing Church of Gods' Income or it could be much more?
Bob let's have some release of information on how much money you sent to Africa in the last 5 years or are you afraid to release that information?
Then we can really know how much you feel you're entitled to in the way of salary!!!!
Bob Thiel preaches about the Man of Sin and the False Prophet and how they will have the full power of signs and lying wonders.
I leave this last question to CCOG members; do you really think that Satan and the soon-coming Antichrist don't know about the evil African CCOG empire of Confusion? Even if Bob Thiel is preaching the truth, it won't matter because he ignored evil in his own Church.
it will be all exposed at that time and People of the world will say this man is Crazy he can't be trusted or believed.
Ever since Bob Thiel had that plate of bad oysters and had those horrific nightmares about starting a new church, he has been trying to prove his legitimacy ever since.
He claimed he and others had dreams about how great he was to be. Never had the church had a man as great he is. He had been planned into being as the foundations of the earth were being set forth.
Ever since God and Jesus were sitting around the heavenly kitchen table pondering what the next part of the plan of salvation was to be, the subject of Bwana Bob came up.
They laughed and laughed and laughed.
Then the Holy Spirit walked into the kitchen and she asked, "What are you laughing at"? They told her and she said, "Let's do it! The church could use a laugh in the perilous end times that he will appear in". She even said, "Let's stir this pot up a little and create Gerald Flurry and Dave Pack to make life more interesting and keep him a little humble". "Let's also make the true church so that they never ordain him". All three of them sat there chuckling about the soon-coming Great Bwana Bob to Africa and 100 Caucasians.
Lo and behold in the 2,000's the soon-to-be Great Bwana to Africa and 100 Caucasians had his nightmare to apostatize from Rod Meredith's authority and ever since there has been the sticky subject of his ordination. Who would ever believe him if he was not ordained by a minister of the one true church? After all, no one in the Worldwide Church of God did. His friends in the Global Church of God didn't, and no one, including Roderick C Meredith, ever did when Bob was a Living Church of God member. That created a sticky problem.
Never fear though, he took a prayer of Gaylyn Bonjour as proof God was going to work through him, then had some nightmares before he traipsed off to Africa to have one of his African con artist evangelists lay hands on him.
At no point in any of this apostolic succession malarkey was he ever ordained by anyone who had their ordination through a direct lineage back to the Apostle Peter. It is an impossibility. Bwana Bob no more has legitimate apostolic succession than does any priest in the Catholic church. It is nothing more than a human construct to legitimize leaders in their follower's eyes. In fact, it is not even a New Covenant expectation, or command. It was dreamed up in the first century to combat heresies that were entering the church by men such as Bob Thiel. Little did those men know that centuries later in America a crazy crackpot would try and use this to prove his legitimacy.
The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu to Africa and 100 Caucasians seriously believes he has apostolic succession going a the way back to when Jesus laid hands on Peter's head. The Great Bwana and so-called "Chief" Overseer of the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god" claims to be the one true church carrying on original 1st century Christianity. Nothing could be further from the truth than that.
Nevertheless, Bob persists:
The true Christian Church of God, and all of its true ministers, have laying on of hands succession from the original apostles to present.
And yes, we believe all who held succession did keep the seventh-day Sabbath, including Peter Waldo.
