Prophet Thiel has an interesting post up today dissing Harold Camping and his failed prophecies. Prophet Thiel makes lots of comments about failed prophecies and failed prophets but for some reason conveniently ignores the hundreds of failed prophecies of Herbert Armstrong, Rod Meredith and the Churches of God.
According to him Camping (not a REAL Christian like LCG members are) is a fake Christian, a liar, and a false prophet.
The Prophet says:
Harold Camping’s pronouncements were sinful. And while he and his group want to claim that they did good by making false prophecies, the is not something that the God of the Bible would advocate.
OK, that is something that we can both agree on. However, The Prophet fails to say that Rod Meredith's pronouncements are also sinful. He fails to mention that Rod Meredith and his group claim they are doing good in spite of the failed prophecies of the past. They claim to be doing good in spite of Herbert Armstrongs sinful lies too. Neither of which Thiel's God of the Bible would approve of.
Prophet Thiel continues with this:
The same can be said about Rod Meredith, Herbert Armstrong, Gerald Waterhouse, Dean Blackwell, John Rittenbaugh and all the others that have spouted failed prophecies over the decades. They have all been proven liars. According to Thiel false prophets are not Christians, does that apply to failed prophet Rod Meredith too?I do not consider that Harold Camping was or is a real Christian and he has repeatedly proven to be a false prophet.
The fact is that there are many false prophets who claim to be Christian cause the Bible to be blasphemed. One who claims to be in the Church of God (Ronald Weinland) insists that the period of the Great Tribulation began years ago (as did Harold Camping), and that Jesus will return on May 27, 2012. Ron Weinland, of course, will be proven wrong.
A quick look at Armstrongism sees hundreds of false prophets all claiming to be Christians, yet because of their lies blaspheme the Bible. We do however agree that Weinerdude Weinland is a false prophet whom many attorneys in various COG's feel will be imprisoned because of his tax evasion.
The Prophet goes on to write my favorite comment:
People like Harold Camping and Ron Weinland give scoffers ammunition to argue against Bible prophecy–as will any who insist that the Mayan 12/21/2012 date can be the end of the world. All of them will be shown to be wrong.
People like Herbert Armstrong, Rod Meredith, Gerald Flurry, Ron Wienland, Dave Cox and Fred Coulter all give scoffers ammunition to argue against Bible prophecy. They have all been proven to be wrong as of this very hour.
Prophet Thiel would due well to heed the scriptures that he quotes to establish his stance on false prophets:
Notice a couple of warnings about false prophets:
22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:22).
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. (2 Peter 2:1-3).
7 comments:
Perhaps someday the ministers and prophecy buffs of the COG will wake up and realize that there is NO SUCH THING as prophecy. The Bible contains many false and unfulfilled prophecies. Human beings cannot know the future. The idea that one can is just plain stupid. Life unfolds on a daily basis. Prophecy is a false paradigm that endeavors to give meaning to world events yet is false. No one can know the future as it has not yet unfolded.
If the future is predicted, then we do not have free choice. Frankly, the prophets of the Old Testament were loons, possible nuts and certainly plagued with mental illness. Christian prophecy may have to face the fact that it is based on such modern mental ailments as schizophrenia, temperal lobe epilepsy and depression. Even some of the miracles of Jesus can be attributed to epileptic seizures and mental illness rather than demon possesion and spiritual problems.
Wake up loons. Modern knowledge trumps spiritual ignorance every time!
M.T.Craniums
Prophet Thiel constantly gives ammunition to those who consider him an idiot.
I'm not even sure he would admit to many of HWA's sins, or rather gloss them over to be of little consequence. See how he minimizes the rather large body of evidence against Rod Meredith. The fact that he is a chiropractor and naturopath speaks quite a bit to how he picks and chooses what to believe.
I would just like to second M.T. Cranium's comment, in it's entirety. The phrase "false prophet" is redundant. Thank you.
NO2HWA said, "Prophet Thiel has an interesting post up today dissing Harold Camping and his failed prophecies.
MY COMMENT - Pot meet Kettle!
Richard
II Pet. 2:1-3? The thing is, the COG's think this applies to all other COG's except theirs, because they think that they are the "churches of God", when it actually doesn't apply to ANY of them. Peter wasn't talking to deceptive cults(and the COG's are the most deceptive) who claim to be "gawd's true church". You're helping them out too much.
What is most shocking to me about Thiel, and others of his ilk, is the audacity to speak for God:
"Harold Camping’s pronouncements were sinful."
Thus saith who, Bob? For anything to be sinful, judgment would have to be rendered by...God.
"And while he and his group want to claim that they did good by making false prophecies, the (sic) is not something that the God of the Bible would advocate."
Again, thank you for clarifying what God would advocate, Bob. I'm sure the omnipotent one appreciates your help.
Sheer, brazen arrogance. Amazing.
Well, I'm just so happy to have found a system of beliefs which doesn't require a bunch of stupid conspiracy theories to validate, or extrabiblical insider"knowledge" for the supposed truth about prophecy. When it gets right down to it, what is the difference between gnosticism in the first and second centuries, and gnosticism today? HWA always claimed to have special knowledge, without which one cannot be saved, just as the Cerinthian gnostics claimed during the time of the Apostles.
That said, a cult is a cult is a cult, whether it supports personalities such as Harold Camping, or the Armstrongs and their myrmidons. It is no wonder that Thiel feels he has to devote time to the Camping fiasco. Somehow he must find a way to differentiate and separate himself and his own church's fiasco from that of Camping. Yet, they are in reality one and the same, cut from the same cloth.
BB
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