Our resident self-appointed prophet of tomfoolery is back today with dire predictions for 2028. Did you know you are that last generation spoken of in the Bible?
In his blog entry, We are “that last generation” spoken of in the Bible he writes:
Remember, the Bible warns:
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. (Amos 8:11-12, KJV)
With all the limits on so-called “hate speech,” which in more and more Western lands includes quoting the Bible and/or teaching against sin, we are getting close to that time.
Now, the final time Jesus referred to as “the beginning of sorrows” technically may not be considered officially to have begun until the first of the seven seals is opened. While it seems likely that this has occurred (as the False Prophet is undoubtedly alive now), it may not actually officially begin until the False Prophet gets more prominence (cf. Alexander G. Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. WCG booklet, 1973, p. 17)–but is not certain.
But it makes more sense that the beginning of sorrows and that final generation began in the 21st century as opposed to the first half of the 20th century.
That being said, the end is coming soon.
Perhaps by 2028.
Considering that Bob Thiel has wrongly interpreted scripture to fit his doomy scenarios there is no way anyone should take this fool seriously.
Are there prophetic reasons to believe that the USA will not last two complete presidential terms? Yes. There is a tradition attributed to the Hebrew prophet Elijah that humanity had 6,000 years to live before being replaced by God’s Kingdom. There are scriptures, writings in the Talmud, early Christian teachings that support this. Also, even certain Hindu writings support it.
Hindu's...Muslims...Catholics...Mayans...Nostradamus... Search long enough in any religious belief system and you will find something to support your whacky views.
In 2028 most of us will be watching the Olympics here in Los Angeles while Bob extends his prediction out a few more years.
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Olympics in 2028? In L A. Bring it on.
Of course President Trump will be finishing his second term at that time.
I am sure Bob missed this FACT. But not ‘That Prophet”.
What exciting times we live in.
The famine in the land of the Word of God is already here !! and gallops throughout ACOG on a regular basis.
MY PREDICTION--I can guarantee that the Earth will be gone in about 4.5 Billion years. (Give or take 500 million years).
Our sun's death is a long way off — about 4.5 billion years, give or take — but someday it's going to happen, and what then for our solar system?
The trouble begins before the death proper: The first thing we have to contend with is the elderly sun itself. As the fusion of hydrogen continues inside the sun, the result of that reaction — helium — builds up in the core.
With all the waste product hanging around, it gets harder for the sun to do its fusion dance. But the inward crushing weight of the sun's atmosphere doesn't change, so to maintain balance the sun has to increase the temperature of its fusion reactions, leading ironically to a hotter core.
https://www.space.com/solar-system-fate-when-sun-dies
"There is a tradition attributed to the Hebrew prophet Elijah that humanity had 6,000 years to live before being replaced by God’s Kingdom."
There are, er, some problems with this. First, The Jewish traditions he is writing about indicate that the expiration of the 6,000 years and the beginning of the Messianic Period will happen in 2239 AD. We will all be long dead and all the present Splinterist contortions are in vain. No doubt Splinterdom retains the Hoehist dates, whatever they are, for the end of the age. I think Hoeh's dates were a revision of Ussher's dates, maybe. But Hoeh went to the well too many times, in his salad days, to be credible.
And then the Hebrew calendar starts with the creation of Adam not the creation of the Universe. (See Wikipedia article titled "Year 6000"). If one asserts that both happened at about the same time, you plunge into the fantastical morass of Young Earth Creationism (YEC). And these Jewish traditions do assert that the period is measured from the creation thus equating chronologically the creation of Adam and the creation Universe.
The problem is that the WCG transitioned from YEC to Hoeh's view during the last century. Hoeh's view is that the creation date of the Universe happened eons before the creation of Adam. This permits an interval in time to have Pre-Adamic men, for instance. This is in direct contravention of the Jewish tradition that begins the 6,000 year period at creation. For this reason, Splinterists should never invoke this Hebrew Tradition because it conflicts with Hoehist beliefs that were consecrated under HWA's rule. For an Spinterist to recruit this tradition really amounts to a form of theological recidivism. From the Wikipedia article:
"Contrary to popular belief, the Jewish calendar begins with the creation of Adam, not the creation of the universe."
This fine point is often omitted when the Hebrew Tradition is referenced by Splinterists. Splinterists should qualify their usage of this Hebrew tradition and explain that it is in conflict with accepted Hoehist views. Or they should create their own ad hoc meme by applying the principle of the seven day week to history, in some way, for whatever yardage that gains for them.
But it isn't easy being green. It is hard work to be an apocalyptic Millerite in a historical milieu that leads to the conclusion that there will be global turmoil, as always, but not necessarily the Parousia. Grasping at a few slender straws is to be expected.
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This is why, looking for any excuse to declare myself a prophet, Bob has a love affair with the Minor Prophet Amos.
"Book of Amos, the third of 12 Old Testament books that bear the names of the Minor Prophets, collected in one book under the Jewish canon titled The Twelve. Amos, a Judaean prophet from the village of Tekoa, was active in the northern kingdom of Israel during the reign of Jeroboam II (c. 786–746 BC). According to 7:14, Amos was neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet; i.e., he was not a member of a professional prophetic guild. His only credential to prophesy to Israel was a summons by Yahweh."
Note: When Bob read this he no doubt said "Hey! That's me! I can be a prophet because "I got a double portion of the spirit and it must have come from God!" Of course, there is no actual evidence of this but who needs evidence.
"The book is a collection of individual sayings and reports of visions. Whether Amos himself committed any of his sayings to writing is not certain; his words may have been recorded by a scribe from Amos’ dictation or by a later writer who knew the sayings from oral tradition. The present arrangement of the sayings reflects the activity of someone other than the prophet.
Amos’ message is primarily one of doom. Although Israel’s neighbours do not escape his attention, his threats are directed primarily against Israel, which, he contends, has defected from the worship of Yahweh to the worship of Canaanite gods. This belief prompts his polemic against the feasts and solemn assemblies observed by Israel. He also pronounces judgment on the rich for self-indulgence and oppression of the poor, on those who pervert justice, and on those who desire the day of Yahweh on which God will reveal his power, punish the wicked, and renew the righteous. That day, Amos warned, will be a day of darkness for Israel because of its defection from Yahweh."
Note: We now understand that YHVH in the OT is just another knock off of El the original Canaanite God. The evolution of EL to YHVH is one of the most obvious slight of hands tricks in the Old Testament. A common practice.
"The book ends unexpectedly (9:8–15) with a promise of restoration for Israel. Because these verses so radically differ from the threatening nature of the rest of the book, many scholars believe them to be a later addition."
Note: Also a common clean it up practice by later authors. The Book of Amos has nothing to do with anything but the times the None Prophet Sheep Herder Amos lived. The book does not contain phrases like "Could this perhaps be so?" or "Is Israel in for big trouble when YHVH finds about this from me?" There is a view that wonders if a "Sheep Herder" as Amos claimed only to be could even write.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Book-of-Amos.
The Bible doesn't give a 6000 year time frame. According to the original Hebrew text the period from the creation to today is 6600+ years already.
Were the Pyramids Built Before the Flood? Masoretic Text vs. Original Hebrew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI1yRTC6kGE
Dennis, you wrote "Note: We now understand that YHVH in the OT is just another knock off of El the original Canaanite God. The evolution of EL to YHVH is one of the most obvious slight of hands tricks in the Old Testament. A common practice."
This kind of ribaldry has its place in entertainment but sometimes it is necessary to strike a serious note as a rejoinder. I could start by asking who the "we" is in your statement. But I will defer that for now. "El" is a Northwest Semitic term for god or the deity. It was used by the Canaanites among others. From this I do not believe we can make a leap into the idea that this was the original Canaanite god. El was a term that was known to Abraham as described in this passage:
"And Elohim spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Yahweh: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of El Shaddai, but by my name Yahweh was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:2-3)
This statement is plausible and a part of the consistent fabric of the OT. It may elude close verification but it certainly exceeds the vaporous speculation of alternative etiologies. It is entirely possible that the Canaanites were using the linguistic "El" to refer to god prior to the invasion of the Israelites. This does not mean they originated the term necessarily. Other area peoples used it as well. Also, in Palestine Melchizedek seems to have been conducting a ministry. We do not know what influence that may have had on vocabulary and semantics in the region.
The bottom line is that, absent a time machine to probe history, it is difficult to make pre-emptive statements about this terminology. The OT history is as good as any and "We now understand . . ." is misspoken.
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Bob Thiel and the rest of the clowns are a joke at this point. I feel sorry for anyone who truly trusts their trash. It is amazing to me how many people will believe their ridiculous doctrine over the years.
Poor Herman Hooey, HWA's 'fix-it' man, having the unenviable role of making sense out of Pervbert's tangle of plagiarized 19th-century theological/mythological junk.
When Podcasting started, LCG loaded the audio of a lot of TW programs. Each year there was a "What will happen in 200x", and "the end" was always 200x + "5 - 10 years". Keep the end just ahead, at arm's length - like the carrot dangling in front of the donkey.
Bob's quick to discredit other COGs' predictions, but keeps his own carrot dangling...
Asking God for a 'double portion' of the Holy Spirit is not proof that God has given it to you.
The modern day church of God is a comedy club.
The Carrot Dangling Church of God.
Were the pyramids built before the flood? Don't think so. To those who viewed the video: what? No sex for 100 years? An aside: There were 800 years from the flood to the exodus; that's enough time to do the pyramids and the tower. The pilgrims came to America "only" 500 years ago; think what has happened since. LTIO (laughing the idiocy off).
Correction: 400 years since the pilgrims came over. The 100 years thingy in the pyramids video: I'll blame the mistake on that.
Anon, May 10, 2021 at 9:16 AM, said:
"...The Carrot Dangling Church of God..."
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Perhaps the Continuing Carrot church of god would do, but Bob Thiel may not approve, but
Time will tell...
John
I suppose to be a little more serious, I looked at Bob's blog entry where he also said the following:
"...Yes, Jesus will return and establish the millennial Kingdom of God.
Perhaps it should be pointed out that many Protestant prophecy watchers consider that the final generation to see the great tribulation and Jesus’ return started with 1948..."
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It has been evident that Bob Thiel, as did Rod Meredith, as does Winnail, Weston, Kubik, Flurry, Weinland, and other former WCG hirelings, etc., has been looking for "another Jesus" with his helpers to "very soon" reign on earth to "establish the millennial Kingdom of God." Where is He? And some Protestant prophecy watchers have been waiting/watching for the fulfillment of that event since 1948?????????
When is that speculation going to come true? Does the Jesus of the Bible have a different schedule from the Jesus these people (HWA and Rod expected Jesus' return to reign on earth before their deaths) seem to have speculated about? Is it possible all of these guys, driven by another spirit (James 4:5) have their own version of another Jesus: one that seems right in each of their own eyes?
So far, there is nothing new under the sun, it appears, relative to a "very soon" returning Jesus. Now, Bob tells us that many Protestant prophecy watchers have been looking for Jesus since 1948! Duh, this is 2021! Where is that Jesus? Will Bob Thiel learn from them Protestant watchers?
I predict those Protestants and Bob Thiel will continue (as in the word "Continuing") to wait and watch for the Jesus Christ of the Bible, who will return over a 1,000 years from now. Will Bob Thiel learn anything from them Protestant prophecy watchers, who so far have been waiting and watching in vain?
Also, Bob cited Amos 8:11 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord.
:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."
Doesn't Bob realize "the word of the LORD" can today be found virtually in every nation on earth? Millions can find it, so where is that famine of hearing the words of the LORD?
I can imagine that that the Jesus of the Bible will not return to reign on earth until some time after that time of the "famine of the word, and Bob Thiel, like HWA and Rod, will cease existence and see his speculations fulfilled, but...
Time will tell...
John
If the antediluvian genealogy in LXX is correct we’re actually passed the 6000 years already.
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