"Greetings,
Dave's Feast sermons have been an instruction in demonic delusion.
He started off on the first day very sheepish. He looked like a very broken man. He suggested a few prophetic "possibilities" and prefaced it all by saying that regardless of how things go we will all "wait in peace" with the correct picture.
However, as the days went on, the mental illness worsened and Dave once again reached the level of immanency hysteria that we have become used to. He described the delusional process by saying in the fourth message that he "had no intentions of giving this message", but the material "instantly hit" him on the plane from the previous feast site he had been visiting.
Gesticulating wildly throughout, he declared the impossibility that Christ would delay his coming beyond the Last Great Day this year. He told the RCG "faithful" that they had done the will of God and only had need of "a little more patience" to see the Lord this Tuesday.
This comes on the heals of declaring that the two witnesses won't be human beings, but actually they will be God-beings who only appear to die in the streets of Jerusalem. And that the 8th head of the beast will deceive the whole world by giving life to an inanimate puppet fashioned in the image of the 7th beast. These glorious revelations came in the third feast sermon.
All told, it is an insane picture that has been built. A manipulation of peoples' conscience before God is the only thing keeping them in this trap, held back from living and growing to the fullest. Cult mantras define such followers reality and world view, half truths and bold faced lies cloud the minds making for an artificial environment of fellowship. What a sad wreckage."
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I wonder how long it will take for him to have the psychotic breakdown that will put him in an institution?
I doubt seriously that the RCG members are psyched up over this. Dave is the boy who cried "lamb" so many times that when the lamb actually does come, his people will be taken totally by surprise. Zero credibility here!
He's had the psychotic breakdown, but his underlings will not commit him and break the money chain. Without him, they are jobless and bankrupt.
Is the audio for this available? If so please post link. Thanks
Claiming that Christ will return on the Last great Day is the often repeated ploy of getting members mentally and chemically hooked on a type of drug.
Claiming that the two witnesses will be God beings and that the eight head is a puppet, is an attack on the mind by challenging, and grinding down his members sense of reality.
It's all abusive cult mind control, and one giant trap as the author points out.
I'm not sure if this is three or four years IN A ROW that Christ/The Father are supposed to come during the Feast/Last Great Day. As a former member and employee at Headquarters, I remember feeling so bad for the brethren who had to sit and listen to the endless sermons during the Feast. I felt even worse for those who were truly EXCITED that "this was finally it" and Christ was coming inside hours. The days preached about will often move during each message the Feast. Tonight. No, tomorrow. No, the Last Great Day. No, just after the Feast.
In 2020, Mr. Pack told brethren on the first day that they were not going home. I sat at the back of the room and mused to myself (but lacked the courage to actually say it to his face), "If you're not coming back from the Feast, Mr. Pack...may I please have the keys to your house and your security code since you won't need it anymore?" It was a private thought. I know I would have been walked to the door instantly. I wasn’t ready to leave. Yet.
I left RCG in March of this year and I have watched from afar (and heard from brethren still attending) that the roller coaster I got off of is still rolling around in an endless circle. It won’t stop. Only God can stop this machine that must keep going.
To those who are reading this and say, “They deserve it” – I would ask, “Where is your compassion?” There are a lot of really wonderful, kind, intelligent, and just plain ‘good’ people in RCG. They were sold a bill of goods by a man who has drifted from the truth he once proclaimed to uphold.
The greatest critic of David C. Pack on the face of the earth…is David C. Pack. Just go back and re-read some of the literature from years ago with his name on it and you would clearly see he convicts himself. That’s why brethren today cannot find that literature on the website or in print. The man has already accused himself.
The brethren are not stupid. The ministers are not stupid. The ministers are not wicked. They know something is wrong…the Bible tells them it’s wrong. “But where else am I supposed to go?” These poor people don’t know what to do but sit tight and wait it out.
When you are fully convicted that you are in the right place, following the right people…and things drift off course and you begin to realize, “maybe this isn’t the place” – that is a hard, hard thing to see. (I’m still struggling with it.) I invested so much in RCG for the almost 9 years I was there…that is a difficult thing to say, “Wow, I was wrong. And I don’t know what to do now.” The basis of all your beliefs are shaken to the ground.
To any harsh critics out there: Let me know what fundamental belief you held in your life for years and then realized it was wrong and were able to just shrug it off as no big deal…and say to yourself, "I should have known better."
But for those still in RCG...don't worry. After the Feast, there will be some silence by Mr. Pack while he confers with his inner circle for a while...then will have an exciting message to let you know, "everything is still right on track" and "nothing has changed." – The two most insulting phrases the man can utter…and he does after every failure…which means he has much opportunity to say those words.
But what do I know? After all, I’m just an antichrist.
M. Cebrian
PS – Jesus Christ will not be returning tomorrow. Why not?
Because it is impossible for David C. Pack to be right.
Phinnpoy, if he should end up in an institution, the spin would be that demons or satan put him there to test the membership. The reality check would be completely over their heads I think.
Just waiting for Mr. Know-it-all Thiel to give the reasons Pack is wrong and that he (Bob) knows the correct time.
Marc Cebrian,
Anyone whose first impulse is to criticize or make fun of you after reading your post probably isn't a Christian, and I wouldn't be looking for any pearls of wisdom from them either! As everyone who has actually experienced being a part of an Armstrong Church of God knows, leaving is excruciatingly painful and beyond difficult. After all, we believed that God had placed us there and had revealed "THE TRUTH" to our minds. If we're all honest with ourselves, the initial reaction that most of us experienced after we left was one of being lost - having the wind knocked out of us.
Fortunately, those feelings will pass for most of us, and they will eventually be replaced by feelings of relief, liberation and joy. Moreover, when that happens, you will also be able to experience the solace and satisfaction of reexamining your belief system. Truth is not supposed to be a fragile thing. If some truth is demonstrable on a Monday in January 2010, it should be equally demonstrable on a Monday in September of 2021! In other words, if the evidence doesn't support some belief, then that belief should be discarded. We have all been wrong about things in times past, and we will all be wrong about some things going forward. That's part of being human. This reality should be a source of humility, and not one of anxiety or despair. Omniscience is NOT supposed to be a human quality!
Finally, I know that you were being sarcastic about the antichrist thing - it certainly does not sound to me like you are one of those. However, David C. Pack has demonstrated to the satisfaction of many of us that he is an antichrist (someone who behaves and espouses things that are contrary to the example and teachings of Jesus Christ). Yes, Mr. Pack is obviously wrong about the return of Christ - which means he is probably wrong about a great many other things as well! I wish you joy in discovering all of those things for yourself in the weeks, months and years ahead; and I also pray that God will give you peace and serenity at the end of your own personal journey.
Thank you for the thoughtful, kind response Mr. Jones.
I'm afraid you're right about the reality check being over their heads. Their cognitive dissonance is so deep after so many years of being indoctrinated, it might be impossible for many of them to think rationally now.
In an ACOG, members must say "Right on!" to the ministers, or they find themselves left out.
Did Davey make this a "double your tithe back guarantee"??
Wanna bet that Whacky Packy still took up.a collection on the Last Great Day??
Well, another Last Great Day has came and went in beautiful Wadsworth, Ohio and it's business as usual at the Giant Eagle...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVGg3atDdU8
The Last Great Day has passed all over the world...and nothing "biblical" happened yesterday. I do not revel in being correct about such things. I actually WANT to be wrong because it would greatly benefit the church, the brethren, and the world. The return of Jesus Christ would be a wonderful, joyous thing because it would help those I care about. (Even if I am to be gathered and cast into a fire to be destroyed because I left the church…I would still want that for others.)
In one of my parting conversations with a head minister at HQ, I posed this query: "So, Mr. Pack is an apostle and God is working with him. He sets a date for the return of Jesus Christ. The moment the words come out of his mouth, I know it won't happen. It comes to pass nothing does happen. Mr. Pack, the apostle, was wrong. I'm nothing. I'm just a lay member, yet I was correct. How am I supposed to process that? I'm right, but "the apostle" is wrong? Again and again?”
“If you say God is guiding Mr. Pack to come to these conclusions and God knows His Son is NOT going to return that day, then that makes God a liar. If Mr. Pack is simply following where God leads him, that makes God a knowing deceiver who is not only tricking Mr. Pack, He's tricking the entire church. The God of the Bible that I read about doesn't do that. Jesus Christ would not do that to His sheep. That is not a God I want to worship.”
The minister did not have a solid answer besides things like, “We can’t always know how God is working. He tests us all in various ways. God knows what He is doing. These things test our faith.”
God “tricks” the wicked, not His people.
If he has had the breakdown,his underlings have better watch him carefully then. If he demand something that's illegal or dangerous, they have better be prepared, at the very least, to manipulate him so no one gets hurt.
I'd like to see a COGlodyte do Sukkot this way: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10165722287370010&id=631420009
I've been waiting patiently a couple extra days, just to see if Jesus had trouble crossing the International Date Line to get to Wadsworth.
Sorry, RCG, doesn't look as if He's going to show. But, then, you all knew that already, didn't you. He always pulls the strangest things out of his A-double.
I believe that the leaders of these ACOGs should be paid based on the success of their prophecies. If they had to go hungry, or homeless, maybe they'd learn to either get it right, or find a profession for which they are better suited.
Doctrines of DEMONS!! Behind every FALSE prophet are FALSE spirits!! “If they don’t speak according to this word it is because there is NO TRUTH IN THEM”!!
We need to stop using words like "war ship"/worship, use honor/praise instead.
We need to be alert, not "a wake/funeral".
We need to number our days accurately, not be in "weak daze/weekdays with fixed pagan names", where EVERYONE has OFF on the "weakened"/weekend (Who weakened the Nations?). In the morning, we don't mourn. Watch the spelling/casting spells (gospel/good news). Don't even use "God" or "JC", giving honor to another (RCC considers JC Lucifer's Son). Our CREATORS deserve more, a lot more! Now, go look into "church"/assembly. Knowing RCG from the outside, it's like a circus where HWA is mentioned more than the Savior and playing/socials are more important. COME OUT OF HER/HIM! Study to show yourselves approved.
Using KJV Blue Letter Bible look up last great day or great day. These HWA splinters are adding to the word continuously. Why? Only one verse has to do with the feast and it was a great day that day, in the last day of the feast.
John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Zep 1:14
The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Rev 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
You Guys FEAST TOO MUCH!
×—ַ×’ chag, khag; or ×—ָ×’ châg; from H2287; a festival, or a victim therefor:—(solemn) feast (day), sacrifice, solemnity.
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