UPDATE: See bottom page
COGNews has a rundown on Bob Thiel's new website that is using deceptive tacts to deceive COG7 folk and other Sabbatarian groups that his site is for all Sabbath-keepers. What he does with every single link on his site is send people directly to his crap. Bob gets really ticked off that no one in the Sabbatarian groups follows or recognizes him as a legitimate leader, this is why:
In July 2020 we reported that Bob Thiel had launched a new website: cg7.org – Church of God 7th Day Sabbath Observing Christians, which is very similar to cog7.org – Church of God 7th Day, based in Denver, which is the largest ‘Church of God 7th Day Sabbath Observing Christian’ group.
The new website stated that it “… is intended to help people who wonder about the seventh-day Sabbath as well as those interested in learning about the different groups that claim Christ, but who also keep the seventh-day Sabbath.”
The Bible Sabbath Association, established 77 years ago, does exactly that, believing in “promoting fellowship and co-operation between Sabbath-keeping people of various groups; on a non-denominational basis; to restore respect and honor for the Ten Commandments as a whole (with emphasis on the Fourth).”
The purpose of the new website, however, appeared to be to draw to it people searching the internet for the words and phrases in its website title, or mistyping cog7.org – then explaining the supposed doctrinal errors of other groups, and promoting the CCOG.
On the 2nd of February 2022 CCOG’s founder, Bob Thiel, wrote that he “had began to embark on a potentially large expansion for the website.” So now that there is much more information on the new website, is it non-denominational, or a CCOG website in disguise?
The home page on the menu bar has the title, Sabbath Keeping, Prophetic, and Church of God Resources, which suggests that the website is non-denominational, but all of the links on this page go to cogwriter.com, which is Bob Thiel’s personal website that he has run since the time he was in the Living Church of God. His beliefs are those of the LCG, plus some additions where he says the LCG is wrong.
Clicking on History on the menu bar takes you to the Continuing Church of God website.
Clicking on Books provides a list of Books all written by Bob Thiel.
Clicking on 7th Day Churches provides a list of various Sabbath groups, but the links all go either to cogwriter.com or his Youtube channel.
Clicking on Sermons provides a list of Sermons all given by Bob Thiel.
Bob has never been able to do anything on his own other than hanging on to the shirttails of others for information and legitimacy. As crazy as they are, both Flurry and Pack have at least come up with original things to entice their followers, Bob has been unable to do so and so he has to find ways to deceive other Sabbath-keepers into believing he is right. Even in this though, he is an abject failure.
Update:
To see first hand how deceptive Bob is in using the CG7 name he has advised a couple of his so-called "evangelists" in Africa that they do not need to stop using the CG7 Day moniker in their church affiliations.
Last week we mentioned some new Youth Bible Lessons and CCOG/CG7 Pastor Samuel Ofosu contacted me from Ghana and we have ordered a couple of sets of each of the six lessons we now have completed (that group is with CCOG, but since they were called CG7 before, when they asked to be part of CCOG, we did not require them to change their name, file legal registrations, etc.).
34 comments:
I don't think ANY of these cult leaders has ever had an original thought in their head. Even HWA stole a considerable amount of what he taught from G. G. Rupert.
Poor Bob. Always a dollar short in everything.
Anon 12:46 GG Rupert had lots of truth and Armstrong held fast nothing wrong with that.
I see Trey Bradford has raised his ugly head here on this blog commenting as "anonymous" .
Bob Thiel may not be the best COG minister, however, he's surely not the most awful one either.
There is the little problem that HWA plagiarised/used/"held fast" to Rupert's doctrines and never once acknowledged that, and instead claimed to recieve his knowledge and apostleship directly through God's revelation. He says that he "was not taught by men". This is either the true or a lie. Since we know that Rupert had extremely similar doctrines, taught extremely similar manner, and there are reports that HWA read much of Rupert's writings, then the later seems to be more likely. When combined with many other factors (pentecost, D&R, make-up etc) we have to conclude that God revealed errors to HWA or his whole ministry was based on a lie.
People like Bob are doing that to try to draw attention to his stuff it's bait.
Does Bob not understand that at least two of his African "leaders" also profess allegiance to other non-Armstrong church groups?
Anon 12:55 PM show me when Bob ever asked for money you have to demonstrate your claim.
Bobbylonia knows that the COG 7th Day has had the biggest impact of any COG group in Africa. There are some 100k plus COG 7th Day members in Africa.
This is simply a low down attempt to deceive COG 7th Day members by using a deceptive URL and mirror site, to direct them to Theirs organization, and to lure them to his other "African Faithful".
Shame on you Booby! Take your gimmicks and slight of hand games and shove em up you know where!
2:12 do you have proof of your claim?
Wasn't Mr. G. G. Rupert a Seventh-Day Adventist?
Anon 12:55 wrote Poor Bob. Always a dollar short in everything.
To whom Anon 2:17 responded: Anon 12:55 PM show me when Bob ever asked for money you have to demonstrate your claim.
Duh, that's why he's a dollar short!
"(A day late and) a dollar short" Idiomatic expression meaning Action that was taken too late and is too feeble to be of any use.
2:12 do you have proof of your claim?
Yes, I do. But I don't want to do Bob's work for him. Besides, he probably knows and has chosen not to do anything about it.
So, was GG Rupert the head of the Thyatira Era? I mean, if Dugger and Dodd were Sardis?
He was for a number of years. Later he split off and formed (to wryly use HWAs description of his splinter group) a "detached fellowship", the Independent Church of God.
Well, 1:00, why don't YOU tell us all about GG Rupert then?
Tonto wrote:
"Bobbylonia knows that the COG 7th Day has had the biggest impact of any COG group in Africa. There are some 100k plus COG 7th Day members in Africa. This is simply a low down attempt to deceive COG 7th Day members by using a deceptive URL and mirror site,"
Exactly! Bob cannot get any real followers so he has to resort to begin deceptively. Everything about the guy is a lie!
Let's not discourage Bwana Bob's ambitions for Africa. The more African followers he gets, the more money he'll have to spend on laptop computers and pastors' salaries instead of animated videos.
I truly can't help thinking about how much cash Bob really makes, likely not quite as much as David C. Pack.
I don't have any idea why everybody is fixated on Bob's African brethren since he has other brethren also.
I agree with Tonto. This ploy is just a deceptive bait and switch tactic. There is nothing even remotely Christian about this behavior.
Concerned Sister
This site gives much attention to Bob and his doings because he is a microcosm of the ACOGs.
Anon 637 wrote I don't have any idea why everybody is fixated on Bob's African brethren since he has other brethren also.
Perhaps the fixation with the African congregations is that they comprise over 90% of the CCOG membership!
At least he's trying. Warpish hatred thinly disguised as exposing truth is a dead end street.
I don't have any idea why everybody is fixated on Bob's African brethren since he has other brethren also.
Hi, Bob! It's because your "Israelite" membership has hovered around 300 for a decade, with not much growth or shrinkage. You cynically use the African members as the base for your lunatic claims of "church growth" even though you know that the African members are committed to their local leaders and not to you, and that in some cases they "belong" to several churches to help increase the aid they receive.
“ Perhaps the fixation with the African congregations is that they comprise over 90% of the CCOG membership!”
More like 96-97 percent “Gentiles” as he calls then and 300 some Israelitish followers.
Tonto & Concerned Sister = same author.
He uses the African "members" as an equalizer, giving himself the numbers to make himself appear just as important as the other leaders of Armstrongism.
If we see through all of his ploys, it's safe to say that he is not really outsmarting anybody. Do any of the other ACOG leaders really respect one another? They all have their ploys and tricks, with the ends supposedly justifying the means. If the ends involve putting more butts in the seats, then the means, whether overt or hidden, are not working.
ANNONYMOUS at 8:56 WROTE:
Tonto & Concerned Sister = same author.
MY COMMENT:
Not true.
But what if that was the case? It is the content of posts that matters in the end. You are desirous of knowing the identity of posters so that you can launch ad hominem attacks on them rather than deal with the content of the posts.
In the age of internet, it is dangerous to post any opinions about anything publicly. It could hurt you in your work career, background checks , hey, even possibly promote revenge or stalker type of situations. The COGS are full of people who are nut cases, and angry disgruntled people who want to take "Gods justice" into their own hands.
Anon 4:10, Dugger went to Jerusalem to form a separate Church of God & Dodd formed a "sacred name" group in Michigan.
Rubbish "Tonto" you practically admit being the same person right after declaring not. Make your mind up.
So now you have try and justify having fake personas on line because the COGs are now full of stalker type nut cases. Rubbish again. You try and justify terrible wrong with strawman arguments.
You are neither one thing nor the other. You love to hogg all the jobs, blocking any genuine ones then behind closed doors breed a second life on here. You love the power and the prestige and lording it over others. Then knocking everything down on here yet you yourself are a part of the problem and NOT the solution.
Anyone who tries to point to the hypocrisy of it all is labelled a stalker or nut cases. Why don't you add the false accusation of thieft as well.
This is all hypocrisy and terribly wrong and I've seen it all before with Garner Ted. Karma, time and above all God Almighty and Jesus will catch up with you.
Do any of the other ACOG leaders really respect one another?
Some of them respect other leaders. Some envy other leaders. None of them respect or envy Bob.
5.01 AM
So, you're a Star Trek betazoid with the power of telepathy.
So, 10:36-1, are you accusing Tonto of being a cyber-hermaphrodite???
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