Tuesday, March 21, 2023

Dave Pack finds it hard to pastor people who ignore his sermons after finding out 10-20% routinely ignore him.


The Jolt


“The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 430)” on March 18, 2023, should be remembered as “that sermon” given by David C. Pack. His greatest hissy fit ever told exemplifies what is wrong in The Restored Church of God and reveals the plight the members suffer. Fear tactics, manipulation, and coercion is RCG’s version of Christianity.


Ironically, Dave and I were on the same team when he urged everyone to hear it. Yet, we are in Opposite Land as to the reasons.


Dave believes his tough-love approach will stir people to action by inspiring them to listen to his Series again and send in their funds.


I believe his tough-love approach will stir people to action by leaving RCG and taking their money with them.


Which is more accurate? Time will tell.


The days that should weigh heavily on the minds at Headquarters this week is not Abib 1 on Wednesday but the Sunday and Monday after. Those are prime days for sending in resignation letters.


In Part 414, David C. Pack declared Abib 1 was the Day of the Lord. All the precursor events since then have been fluid, so count those as Mini-Failures:


January 23, 24, 25, 26 — February 7, 10, 22 — March 6, 7, 10, 17


Abib 1 has experienced an impressive shelf-life, having been the cornerstone for 16 Parts. Bookies in Las Vegas say the odds are favorable for Dave to "re-clarify" Abib 1 just before it happens. Waiting for him to watch it slide past without a word is the 20-to-1 longshot. Dave proclaiming, "I knew by XYZ that it was not going to happen,” is even money.


Abib 1 begins at sunset in Jerusalem at 5:51 PM on March 22, 2023. That is 11:51 AM ET. Sunrise the next day is also an option at 5:39 AM in Jerusalem, which is 11:39 PM in Wadsworth.


When the sun sets in Ohio on Thursday night at 7:42 PM, all possible options are officially off the table. The foundation of everything that everyone in RCG has been force-fed for two long months will come crashing down.



Dave began the sermon under the guise of wanting to help people. By the end, it was apparent some hides needed to be adequately tanned, and only he had the paddle large enough to do it.


Part 430 – March 18, 2023

@ 02:13 I thought things were over yesterday on Thursday. And I came to be (I’m gonna just be very heart-to-heart with you.) I got a report, and it made me desperately sorry I did not have one more message that I could give.


@ 02:45 But I wanted to talk about the things that I woke up yesterday morning, and suddenly some things occurred to me that quickly led to this graph, and I knew we were right on time.


This condescending PDF graph grossly misrepresents the past two months and is a visual form of gaslighting. This is NOT a real snapshot of the last few months.

The blank space over-simplification of the Kingdom to Israel is not only a flat lie, but this graph contradicts Dave later on. He claims that if brethren do not understand his teaching, they cannot receive the Kingdom, and God is not working with them.


But, if this graph accurately represents what he is teaching and they can understand it, then God IS working with them, they are NOT confused, they WILL receive the Kingdom, they are NOT crippled with pride, and they WILL get salvation.


You cannot fully appreciate how a simple graph defuses most of Part 430 until you hear the whole thing and look at it again. But, all that hinges upon the information on this graph being factual.


Is the graph true and accurate? If it is, then everyone in RCG is off the hook. Well, except for the money aspect that Dave claims will keep you out of the Kingdom.


Some foolish will cut a check this morning. But the wise will consider. Friday failed. So will Wednesday.


@ 02:56 And I did have one more sermon that is the single most important sermon in the Series, and, yet, it doesn’t have anything really to do with prophecy.


In a way, I also agree. I do believe everyone should hear this and listen carefully before Abib 1. Prophecy did occupy the last 30 minutes, but the intent is noted.



Part 430 was sparked by a field minister's letter to Headquarters informing Dave that some in his congregation were so confused they no longer listened to the Series or took notes.


Boy. Nothing strikes a narcissist’s core quite like hearing that some do not care what he says.


@ 04:50 So, today you’re gonna get a jolt.


God has a sense of humor and is a fan of irony. David C. Pack gave this message as a “jolt” for the brethren, but the letter he will read was a “jolt” for him. Part 430 is reactionary. The men at Headquarters have experienced Dave flying off the handle because a comment or question “jolted” him.


In this particular case, the entire church gets to partake.



Many facts about the state of The Restored Church of God come to light in this letter. Readers of this blog will find the themes familiar. The field minister and Dave both said more than they probably intended.


1) The field minister wrote Headquarters multiple times over two years but got either no or inadequate Church Administration support.


2) This is a church-wide issue not isolated to a single congregation.


3) More than 10%-20% of RCG are doing this.



Some of the filler comments have been removed. The letter content is in italics.


Part 430 – March 18, 2023

@ 10:59 Now here's a long letter that starts out wonderfully but does not end that way. And it's from one of our ministers, a very faithful minister…It's really a wonderful letter, and I'm so deeply thankful that he sent it. And he writes one of our ministers at Headquarters, “I thought to just quickly express gratitude and appreciation for the prophecy sermon you gave last week.” So, it was written to Mr. Habboush.


@ 11:28 “I already know it has helped many brethren understand things better and easier, especially new folks. Many have forgotten some of the new truths and new elements we learned over the last seven years. And many new brethren have never heard some of the things you explained.”


@ 11:51 And here's where the email gets to be tough to hear. And I hope it deeply sobers every person in the room. “I had four members in a PM tell me just last week how confused they are about prophecy. I directly asked brethren if they were keeping up and understanding what is being taught in the Series. Their frank responses are sometimes sobering. Many brethren are excited about the Series. But I would not be surprised if at least 10 to 20 percent of brethren in my area are confused to the point where they do not even listen to the Series anymore.They just blow it off.” Astounding. And then he talks about a recent trip to a place that he visited, and that confirmed it.


@ 13:26 I very much appreciate this letter. “The reasons they are confused may be many, but I think there are three common issues. Number One: They don't have literature and reference points they access to review, which outline the basic elements of prophecy. Think of all the charts and booklets we had to explain the Big T.” You know, the Millennium and the Seven Seals we thought preceded it. “And when I was a new member, I thought it was rather complex. Many changes in our understanding is Number Two. This caused many to stop taking notes to prevent the current understanding to get ingrained into their thinking because it will change again.”So they just stop taking notes.


When Dave spends three hours selling his latest impossible-to-argue-with prophetic construct one day and argues against himself within 48 hours, how is it not reasonable, natural, and rational to expect listeners to lose interest after seven years and 430 Parts?


Only a willfully blind, unthinking drone would strive to remember what Dave says each time. RCG members have been trained to know each Part is a brief biblical flash in the pan. How valuable are those Purim notes today? To even the All-Believing Zealots?


This does not describe a group of rebels, and this did not start at Part 5. As of March 2023, we are at Part 430. The brethren of The Restored Church of God have books of notes going back ten years that are of no value today. Zero value.


They SHOULD stop taking notes.


While at Headquarters, I changed the kinds of notes I was taking. Instead of trying to understand Dave, I began to note his goofy, stupid comments. I noted when he mentioned he was Elijah and where Elijah was in the Bible. I noted each time he praised himself. I noted each time how “inarguable” this new thing was. I noted when his piss-poor reading comprehension would butcher a verse and when the translators tied his shoelaces together.


This made sitting in that Main Hall Meat Locker somewhat tolerable. I was still taking notes, but nobody knew what KIND of notes I wrote.


@ 14:14 “Some have even said that it helped them.” Not taking notes anymore. Depends on how you mean that. They could listen better, or they could just tune it out better. I don't know, maybe both. "The effect is that when an easy part or basic truth is explained, unrelated to prophecy, they don't take notes, causing the understanding to slip easier. New brethren have zero background and have to,” so this is Number Three. “You have to sorta just figure out how to learn on the fly unless someone takes several hours to bring them up to speed. And in this context, I think sometimes the sermons come so thick and fast that it sometimes just goes over the head of not only new brethren, but also some existing members.”


I feel for the new people today. A U-turn would be a blessing for them.


I would never have left California if I had heard this in 2012. But even if the Series were at Part 420 back then, I would not have known it.


This is the deceitful bait-and-switch nature of The Restored Church of God. None of this “current understanding" is in the literature, website, or World to Come videos. People do not discover “what Mr. Pack really teaches” until they sit down in the room.


Dave’s god is perfectly comfortable tricking people to get fresh bodies through the door. As long as that “first love” money still keeps rolling in, why change the system?


@ 15:21 “Now, I referred all brethren to the ‘How God's Kingdom Will Come—Not What You Think!’ World to Come video to help them solidify the different comings of Christ. I have and will refer them to your recent sermon if they've not studied it yet. If you know of other material we can refer them to, please let me know. I've mentioned this to the Headquarters Ministry in the past, but I find brethren who struggle with the Series difficult to pastor. Several refuse to talk about the Series and will even walk away from a conversation or fellowship containing it.” Astonishing. But there are such people.


This happens at Headquarters and has for a while.


The people that walk away have a firm grasp on reality. They rightly avoid the wide-eyed All-Believing Zealots who get ramped up after every part as if it was the first time. A rational person would NOT want to be talking to those Blind Faith Zombies who get excited about Monday. But, then, Monday fails. So, they get excited about Tuesday. Tuesday fails. They get excited about Wednesday. Wednesday fails.


The failures never end. Their excitement never ends. That is the most visibly "culty" behavior in RCG. The false prophecy cordyceps have infected their brains, and there may be no cure.


@ 16:25 “I started to mention the issues in pastorate reports from more than two years ago, and sometimes I feel like it's getting worse. Sometimes not.”


Dave and his ever-changing theories are what have gotten worse, not the brethren. The 400s are a clear acceleration of desperation and incoherency. Instability has never been so prevalent inside RCG, and the brethren are reacting to it.


@ 16:35 “We all have found some elements of the Series hard to follow, too. But I never want to give brethren the impression that I am in any way undermining the Series or our father in the gospel. Yet at the same time, I fully appreciate the obligation I have towards the sheep God has put in my care. I just try my best to communicate what I see on the ground back to Headquarters. It's been a challenging task to keep many of the sheep glued to it and excited. It remains awkward to balance. If Friday comes and goes,” Well, it did, fortunately. And it went. It came and went, and I get to give this sermon. “I look forward to exploring (rather urgently) ways to help those who are not actively following the Series anymore. Any ideas will be welcomed. Recently, I mentioned to the Headquarters Ministry how I may want to give a sermon on the Series one day. Maybe two parts just to help their understanding of basic elements. The three iterations, the Seventh and Eighth Head, timing of resurrections, et cetera. You already covered several parts of it. Thanks again.” And how I love reading the last part of that. That's a proactive pastor. 


I recommend this field minister holds off on putting his sermon notes together until after this weekend. As of Thursday, Dave will have to burn the last two months to the ground and start over on top of the ashes. The next focus will be on Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread. Again.


That letter was the catalyst for Part 430.



@ 18:11 My last sermon was always intended by God to keep RCG and its individual houses intact so the church would not be broken up.


@ 18:36 Because this minister cannot possibly be the only one experiencing this.


This long-reported result of the Series is getting so visible they were forced to address it. Like when Dave finally admitted after six months that RCG paid a half-million dollars for a new house connected to the Campus.


My great hope is that Part 430, combined with the Abib 1, will create a “call to action” for the brethren of The Restored Church of God. By Friday morning, more people will be seriously considering their ways.


The letter jolted Dave, and he jolted the brethren. Let God's will in this matter be done in all haste.

Marc Cebrian
See: The Jolt


Anonymous said...

When are the brethren going to arrive at Occam's Razor? It's really not all complicated as Dave makes it with his grandiose calculations and explanations. (And backpedaling!) The simplest explanation is that Dave is wrong and will never be right. Hasn't he already proven this over and over and over again? Occam's Razor, people!

In societal trends 20% have been proven to have tremendous influence and can often turn the tide! So, get to work, you 20 percenters!

Mark Wolfe said...

As GTA used to say, whenever you walk into the door of a church you must do three things:

It appears that up to 20% of the RCG members are starting to excercise this valuable tool to bible study. Even this minister appears to be excercising his mind, even though I would question his "gratitude" for these sermons. Seems to me any thinking person would not hold any gratitude for those sermons. Another fallout out from the satanic doctrine of top down church government overriding personal sovereignty.

I feel for the minister a little. He has to pastor individuals with interference from Dave. But the pastor should know this is junk prophecy and tell him so----if he had courage. But kudos to him for trying, for two years, in this environment to try and change Dave's course a bit.

Anonymous said...

Most won't quit, look at the Germany's devotion to Hitler right to the bitter end.

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DW said...

Dave cannot teach what he does not understand. A believer is not waiting for salvation to come. Salvation CAME 2000 years ago for whosoever believes the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, according to Scripture.

Dave and the COGs have a different Jesus, who is a separate god from the One triune God. Dave has another gospel. He preaches about the Kingdom and the Day of the Lord, but either omits the necessity of being born again to even see the Kingdom of God, or he does not understand it. Paul put a double curse on any who preach any other gospel than that of 1 Cor 15:1-4.

Dave is preaching the gospel of HWA, not Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Well said DW! These are basic concepts that are understood by Christians worldwide, except for in Armstrongism, JW's, and others from the Millerite tradition. Armstrongist preachers think they are so enlightened and yet they remain ignorant.

Anonymous said...

Exactly people should read the good book for themselves. It's not difficult, and the Father will guide you. Don't listen to the self promoting "know it all's". Rom 1:22. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"1

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Anonymous said...

When did Garner Ted say that ?

Anonymous said...

Wow only 10 - 20% ignore Pope Packs sermons ?!! In my experience I've been in congregations that I'd say at least 90% of the audience COMPLETELY IGNORED the sermon message. Hey ho!
The worst ignorers being,
1. Members of the speakers own family.
2. Any other Ministry listening.
3. Deaconessess always.

Anonymous said...

I think 90% in the congregation I was in stopped listening to the sermons long long ago, they just continued with their lives, some even admitted to me that they had stopped paying their tithes, they are just there to keep busy.

Dave thinks he is smart but people have outsmarted him, he is in deep shit, because those brethren will leave anytime, it may not be now or tomorrow or even next month but eventually they will leave, I'm so happy to see the destruction of the cult and I said it before I left that it will end in tears.