The Old and New Testament is filled with men who are sure that "the Lord spake unto me thus..." Evidently, they kinda take it for granted they deserve to be believed or that for sure it was really God speaking to them and not their disordered personality quirks.
If, in the NT, the Apostle Paul says he went to the 3rd Heaven and saw things he can't or is not permitted to reveal, then it must be true, right?
If he says " I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ," it must be true, right?
So it was and yet is still with the stars of the WCDebris to this day.
Here's a good modern example of perceiving the "cannot be argued" improbable and when politics and delusional religious beliefs mix.
Speaker of the Houe, Mike Johnson, Claims That God Prepared Him to Be a “New Moses”
"The Lord impressed upon my heart a few weeks before this happened that something was going to occur. And the Lord very specifically told me in my prayers to prepare but to wait. I had this sense that we were going to come to a Red Sea moment in our Republican conference and the country at large.
Look, I’m a Southern Baptist. I don’t want to get too spooky on you, OK? But the Lord speaks to your heart. And he had been speaking to me about this.
And the Lord told me very clearly to prepare. OK, prepare for what? I don’t know. “We’re coming to a Red Sea moment.” “What does that mean, Lord?”
I started praying more about that. And the Lord began to wake me up through this three-week process we were in, in the middle of the night, and to speak to me. And [I began] to write things down, plans and procedures and ideas on how we could pull the conference together. I assumed the Lord was going to choose a new Moses. And “Oh, thank you, Lord: You’re going to allow me to be Aaron to Moses.” [In the Hebrew Bible, Aaron is Moses’ brother and a priest who aids him.]
I worked to get Steve Scalise elected. And then Jim Jordan. And Tom Emmer. Thirteen people ran for the post. The Lord kept telling me to wait. And I waited and waited. And it came to the end, and the Lord said, “Now, step forward.” “Me? I’m supposed to be Aaron.”
“Only God saw the path through the roiling sea,” he concluded.
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I have no doubt Mike Johnson is sincere. Or at least I hope so.
It has to be some kind of high to imagine the gods or THE GOD has noticed your potential to fulfill His and end time needs. Dave Pack has latched on to the fact that God even named him "David Passover" and that he sees himself in just about every important Biblical character predicted in the scriptures. Why he is even amazed in his name being "David" like Bible David and now, whenever he reads "David" in the scriptures, it's really him! It can't be just a coincidence. It's impossible and, frankly, cannot be argued with. It is inarguable.
But yet it is delusional theology and belief.
What Critics Are Saying
Johnson's speech drew criticism online from figures like Mary Trump, the estranged niece of former President Donald Trump who is a frequent critic of conservative politicians.
"If Mike Johnson doesn't believe this, he's a manipulative cynic," Mary Trump wrote on X. "If he does, he's psychotic. Either way, he's a massive megalomaniac. If he wants to pretend he's Moses, he can start by removing himself to the desert for 40 years."
David Cay Johnston, an investigative journalist and author of the book, The Making of Donald Trump, also called Johnson's speech "deeply disturbing".
Same comments for the WCDebris , Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Ron Weinland, Bob Thiel and all the assorted Prophets, Priests, Elijahs to Come, Messengers of Covenants, That Prophets and multiple copies of the Two Witnesses yet to be revealed.
Of course, no God spoke to anyone, but it plays well to some. Not to many actually for it smacks of self-serving mental health issues which seem to show up more readily in those seeking power, money and authority over others.
I have noted over the years that it is much easier for a man with mental health issues and possible personality disorders to hide in a church than to hide in a secular workplace. The quirkiness and even authoritarian tendencies seem like some kind of deeply spiritual superiority and conversion others just can't attain to. It is not. It is a man hiding in a church with mental health issues and probable personality disorders undiagnosed saying and doing ridiculous things.
When they do it often enough, you kinda get used to it and forget it's nonsense.
It seems politicians and preachers are particularly prone to this problem. It plays well to the less than critically thinking.
Jeremiah, for all his depressive perspectives seems to at least understand the truth of his own times.
Jeremiah 23:21
“I have not sent these prophets, yet they run around claiming to speak for me. I have given them no message, yet they go on prophesying.
May I suggest Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, Gerald Flurry and Bob Thiel, join On and On Anonymous and talk it out with other like-minded delusional religious addicts?
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9 comments:
"Of course, no God spoke to anyone"
It's not an "of course". It's one of the biggest questions of life, for which some people say "of course" one way, some people say "it's obvious" the other way, some people say "nobody can know" and others say "I'm personally not sure".
I find it curious that people "of course" these things, when surely they know they're stomping on the life journeys of their fellow humans.
" Of course" from my perspective personally, with regards to conclusions drawn from my studies, experiences and journey out of my faith based past.
Tuesday, May 27, 2025 at 5:37:45 PM PDT
I've listened to Kenneth Copeland's and Joyce Meyer's supposed conversations with God on their TV shows. I don't believe either of them because they have God talking to them like a ten year, which is how their church members are viewed. But this isn't to say that God never communicated with people. I've often heard the complaint of "you can't prove that God communicated that to you." Which is sort of true. But in a court of law, witnesses are often believed purely on their testimony. The "you can't prove that" claim is ignored.
There's complexity on this issue.
Ugh! When will these people just simply die??? It's like our national disease or something. Bleah!
Major spelling mistake on this post. Also spelling mistake on a recent NO2HWA comment.
I'm only pointing this out because of the nasty way you blog masters write condescending comments to others over spelling. If the hat fits you should wear it.
It's a shame Dennis's faith based journey was a bust but I wouldn't paint everyone with that brush.
The real question is not whether mankind is prone to political and religious deception, but , is the Bible what it claims to be? It is a leap to discredit God's word because of its misuse by corruptible man. I guess the rationale is, man has evolved to such intellectual heights that we no longer need to be deceived by a book of myths written thousands of years ago by a bunch of gypsies sitting around a campfire. Yet, here we are!
The Bible is still the best selling book of all time, acknowledged in some form by billions past and present, from all layers of intellect. How is that possible in this age of rational thought? Is there something to Scripture we are afraid to admit and can't quite get a handle on?
I say, and time apparently agrees, that the Bible is God breathed, dependable, trustworthy, and it would require a Christ to invent a Christ. Atheists say in contradiction, no, the Bible is not believable, we have outgrown it, it is only acknowledged by the unlearned and ignorant, which is evident by its modern day abuses. The funny thing is, Scripture actually predicts all this confusion!
There's a reason why atheists continue to get their asses kicked on podcasts and debates. Once again, nice try Dennis.
Take a chill pill, Buttercup! Blogger and Grammarly do not always catch spelling mistakes. Besides, if this is all you have to bitch about when Armstrongism is so abusive to peoples lives then you need to ask yourself why this bothers you so much.
That's God himself speaking in Jeremiah 23:21 Dennis.
God goes on to ask in same chapter: "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him?
I guess WCDebris is cool, but I like HWAcaca better! It sounds Mexican instead of French.
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