Dave Pack Skirts Scoffing With His Apologetic for the Obvious

"Do you realize you have to disagree with the Bible to follow the truth? Think on that one! If you agree with the apostles, you have to believe THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD CAME 2,000 YEARS AGO. You CANNOT GET AROUND THAT or you, literally, disagree with all the 12 apostles and with what they wrote in God’s Holy Word. Think on that one. 

“The end of all things is at hand!” No it wasn’t. He says it later in this book in another couple of chapters. Did he lie? How would you put it? He spoke falsely? Oooh…no! It’s the way God wanted the Bible written. It’s absolutely what God wanted the apostles to say. Mr. Armstrong understood this much for sure—and said it—it’s as though the Bible was written to the Philadelphian era of God’s Church, to the last generation. Almost, I’m tempted to say, little did he know…but he did know, so I don’t want to say that. But if he knew all that we know, he would know he was…Let’s put it this way…more right than he knew."

(No it isn't and no HWA wasn't)

Not even close...

All fundamentalist and literalist Christians, including WCG and off shoots,  have grown up with the following scriptures burned into our minds....

I Thessalonians 4:15-17 "...For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout...Then WE which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..."

I Corinthians 15:51,52 "...WE shall not all sleep, but WE shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump...and WE shall be changed."

Romans 13:11-12 "And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for NOW is OUR salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand..."

James 5:8 "Be YE also patient; establish YOUR hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh."

I John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby WE know that it is the last time."

I Peter 4:7 "But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer."

Revelation 22:20 "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly..."

Millions in Fundamentalist and Evangelical Churches have grown up with the idea that the return of Jesus, a return which will fix everything that is wrong with everything and reward the true saints, is always imminent. We read the above scriptures as if they were written for us, as it is we who are finally the ones "upon whom the end of the age has come." Unlike everyone before us, we really really are the ones who will see it and be changed, avoiding the reality of physical death.

There never has been, is not now and never will be a shortage of preachers and pastors who just know we are living in the final, absolutely last days. The signs are everywhere and every world event is assigned Biblical import and meaning.

In Fundamentalist movements, the tradition goes on and becomes more pronounced as common earth events like , earthquakes, floods, fire, volcanoes and "unusual" events, or wars and rumors of wars, especially in the middle east rear their ugly heads. If someone blew up the Dome of the Rock, well... there... see, now tell us that Jesus is not a few minutes away from returning. 

 (I have read somewhere that when you see these things, "See that you be not troubled for the end is not yet" but I may be mistaken.  I realize the clincher is "and this Gospel of the Kingdom of God shall go to all the world as a witness and THEN shall the end come", or is it "then shall the income" but which Gospel?  

The fact that most wars are waged by either the Christians, Israelis or the Islamic nations, among and between themselves, which are the religions whose teachings are supposed to save us and make our lives better, doesn't seem to strike us as odd. In fact, at some deep level deeply religious fundamentalists, seem to believe that millions must die violently, so that "all these things can come to pass" and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit can be visited upon the Christian survivors... or Islamic or Israeli depending on who wins. Well of course, the Christians win. Each knows who that it will be themselves that overcomes the other. It's in the book, all of them.

The most popular New Testament "proof texts" for this thinking among Christian Fundamentalists and Evangelicals, comes from Mark 13 and the parallel passages found in Matthew 24 and Luke 21. These written in answer to the disciples question... "WHEN shall these things be, and what shall be the sign of your coming?"

It's all about WHEN. The "when" is unknowable even if one believes with all their heart it has to be soon. The faithful forget that speculation on the future is always just that. It is not fact. It is not how it will be and all speculation over the past 2000 years as to "when", to date has been 100% wrong.

Far too many Pastor types base their entire ministry on the imminent return of Jesus. One would be hard pressed to find the actual word "Jesus" in any other context in their sermons, articles and pronouncements.

It's all about the second coming and it's all about SOON for the most rabid and judgmental COG splinters. Those who question the wisdom of this mistaken approach to life become the scoffers who nip at the heels of the saints.

"...there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation,"

But running that risk, and with all due respect to the sincere seeker of Biblical truth, I predict that Jesus will not be returning any time soon.

Why not? Because in the very predictions of Jesus lie the fact that he was himself wrong about them. Jesus put a time limit in the context of his own predictions that has long since passed no matter how apologists endeavor to resurrect his prophecies for a yet future time.

"Verily I say unto you", This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" (Matthew 24:34).

We simply have to admit, at face value, Jesus was wrong and not only DID that generation pass away, but so have countless others that followed. Jesus has not been misunderstood in this statement. He was wrong. Sincere not doubt and it simply will not go into the bible-reader mind that this might be the simple truth of the matter. There has to be another explanation that makes Jesus right in this perspective not 2000 years past.

And there is! We have read it wrong. Jesus did not mean what he said and we can relax. Jesus wasn't talking to those people at that juncture in history.

"This generation" was not the one Jesus was talking TO, but rather the generation that "these things" would begin to happen IN. Whew! It's in the far future and means a future society when all these signs accelerate and come to a crashing finale ending with the Second Coming.

We now have wiggle room to account for the fact that Jesus has not returned yet. Jesus wasn't mistaken about his own times, he was referring to another time.

Gleason Archer, who offers this solutions to the "Jesus didn't mean it would be in his time," notes accurately what we all know 2000 years later.

"Obviously these apocalyptic scenes and earth-shaking events did not take place within the generation of those who heard Christ's Olivet discourse. Therefore Jesus could not have been referring to his immediate audience when He made this prediction..." (Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties, pg 338).

Archer has to say this as he cannot possibly entertain the idea that Jesus was himself wrong in his perceptions of the times in which he lived and his role in those times. Later in the Gospels, authors would lower the expectations of the early Church, who thought Jesus meant them by reminding them late in the game when it was obvious Jesus wasn't coming any time soon that "a day with the Lord is as a thousand years. Sorry, we forgot to tell you that in the beginning." As long as one is incapable of thinking Jesus was himself wrong the Kingdom of God being just around the corner if he did his part, the doctrine of disappointments would have to be addressed as time went on.

And so we simply need to ask a very simple question. To whom was Jesus speaking? From the opening NT texts, it is obvious that the disciples, apostles and members of the church thought it meant THEM and did not get any hint of Jesus meaning anything other than THEM in THEIR time, which was short. The idea that Jesus would "build my Church" came decades after Jesus death when most were dead or dying of old age and yet the end did not come. Jesus never envisioned a Church that would follow decades and millennia after his death. Jesus life would always be lived and lost in the context of Judaism and the Synagogue.

But back to the original question. To whom was Jesus speaking when he said the words and to whom did he mean for it to apply? The answer is within the context, plain and simple.

"Take heed that no man deceive you." (Matt 24:4)
"...ye shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars..." (Matt 24:6)
"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted..." (Matt 24:9)
"When ye therefore shall see the the abomination of desolation..." (Matt 24:15)
"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter..." (Matt 24:20)
"Behold, I have told you before." (Matt 24:25)

The context in which Jesus spoke was his own. The "you" that he was addressing was the group he was addressing then and the group to which all these things would happen for, and soon. Jesus was telling those disciples that these things would happen in their time. Jesus made a mistake in his perceptions.

In our time, Christians read the same words and see the "ye" and "you" as "me" and "us" just as the original disciples would have. The only difference is that the disciples actually were disappointed and this generation has yet to realize their own disappointment to come.

The proof that Jesus himself meant the people he was talking to is found in the fact that the "this generation" comment is actually the tale end of a much larger, often overlooked quote taken in it's entirety.

"So likewise YE when YE shall SEE ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto YOU, THIS generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be fulfilled." (Matt 24:33-24 emphasis mine)

There is no reason to twist the words of Jesus to mean more than they were ever intended to mean. A scripture can never mean what it never meant. The early disciples and infant Church, knew it meant them and we see the gradual deterioration of their personal confidence in the immediacy of the Second Coming promise throughout the NT.

I Thessalonians 4:15-17 "...For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout...Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..." Meaning...some would die, but not us who tell you this. Jesus still means us.

I Corinthians 15:51,52 "...We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump..." Meaning...you will die, but we won't but it all works out...Jesus still meant us.

Romans 13:11-12 "And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand..." Meaning...we had some doubts, but now we know it's almost here. Jesus still meant us.

James 5:8 "Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh." Meaning...impatience was growing, hang in there. Jesus still meant us.

I John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." Meaning...Jesus still meant us.

I Peter 4:7 "But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer."

Revelation 22:20 "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly...." Meaning...ok, it's been about 60 years, but Jesus still means us.

Obviously, everyone of these quoted hopes and statements were wrong. Jesus did not return for them and to date has not returned for anyone. Paul and the early church who wrote in his name was just as wrong as the many COG prophetic types are wrong in this time. And it is based on the fact that Jesus himself was wrong which I know most Christians can never come to admit. For Paul it becomes....

" I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing." Meaning...Ok, I give up, Jesus didn't mean us, or at least not me. I was wrong. 2 Timothy 4:8-9

...and at best, this will also become the reality for those alive today seeing the imminent return of Jesus in every newspaper and on every turn of the dial in this dangerous and contentious world of ours.

I'm not scoffing. Being accused of scoffing was a label for those in the early Church. The disciples expected Jesus return within days of his death and when they met him in Galilee, even doubted that. Its what you say to those that are becoming disillusioned but the others know that the return is still in their lifetime for sure. Scoffers were undermining the confidence of the early followers and disciples of Jesus. An observation is not scoffing. Observations are based on the passage of millennia. It's a 2000 year old observation. To motivate with fear, false prophetic fulfillment's of non- prophecies, and imagined prophetic accuracy on topics anyone could speculate somewhat accurately about, is simply foolishness and makes the Church, in any form look stupid and ignorant. Jesus said his generation would not pass until the Son of Man be come. He was wrong.

So bent on not allowing the member to even remotely entertain the idea that Jesus was wrong, Paul was wrong and the Church is wrong , it was prudent to shift the blame for doubt to the member and thinker and away from the clergy, and thus we have...

2 Peter 3:3 "Knowing this first, (meaning---we forgot to add this apologetic) that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of....."

Obviously, the Church took Jesus words literally for them and not for some future generation. But still Jesus doesn't return to them. This shifts the problem to the scoffers, doubters and those that misunderstood Jesus and not the Church who needs to keep the hope of imminent return going like a carrot before the horse. The Church never entertained until they had to, the idea that Jesus didn't mean what he said about soon. It also implies that this doubt is deliberate and calculated. It can never just be doubt based on evidence and time just going on without any evidence of Jesus return. Even with the temple gone and the Romans more in power than ever, He didn't return. It must have felt for them then as one might say today. "If Jesus didn't return for the Holocaust, what will it take."

The "scoffers will come" scripture was added when it was obvious to the Church that people could and were scoffing. And what some consider scoffing is merely noting that the thing spoken is not so. It's not evil, it's just stating the obvious and putting, in this case, the church on the spot to explain its continued use of imminent return going long. It also lends credibility to Jesus mournful cry at the end of his life..."my God, my God...why have you forsaken me." I expect Jesus really meant that. It was a real shock not to have had things work out as one had supposed. Jesus had done his part. He had pushed the Romans right up to the edge and himself, right up to execution...and still, God did not intervene, sweep the Romans from the earth and set up the Kingdom. Only after Jesus actually died did the followers of Jesus have to rethink it all.

I know... and expect it to be said, "you'll think differently when Jesus returns, or you find yourself in hell with lots of time to rethink your position." I speak in the hope that the average Christian church member won't be motivated and won't tolerate pastors who use the fear of living on this planet to promote their own misguided agendas and speculations. One does not have to see the world only through the eyes of those that speculate on how things are or will be because frankly they don't and can't know.

Gerald Flurry Says Joe Tkach is Going to go to President Trump and Rat Out PCG Causing Them to be Kicked Out of the Country

Where would the Church of God be without all of the self-appointed prophets that pump out endless streams of idiotic nonsense that they try to tie into the scriptures?  The Bible has made far too many COG men into blithering idiots as they imagine one end time prophecy after an other.

Gerald Flurry is weighing in on the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States, an event apparently foretold in the book of Amos.

Donald Trump’s victory in the United States presidential election gives us a clear indication as to where we are in Bible prophecy.

In the weeks before the election, Hillary Clinton held a considerable lead in the polls (seven points at the time). But in a sermon at the same time, I commented that I was leaning toward Mr. Trump being the winner. Why? Because of an end-time prophecy in the book of Amos. 

It seems obvious that God is telling us we have now entered the time frame of Amos chapter 7. What does that time frame mean for America and for YOU? God has revealed to me more understanding from Amos 7.

Flurry's "god" has set the plumb line and found the United States and all British Israelite nations lacking and that He is coming back to kick some ass!

“Thus he shewed me: and, behold, the Lord stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand” (Amos 7:7). A plumbline is usually used in measuring a building or in construction. But God uses it differently here: This is about measuring the destruction that is to come upon the nations of Israel. This destruction is not random; God is measuring it carefully and precisely. And it will bring about the most wonderful results imaginable.

“And the Lord said unto me, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A plumbline. Then said the Lord, Behold, I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more” (verse 8). This is GOD talking! He has warned these nations several times to try to wake them up, but they have ignored those warnings. So, He says, I’ll warn one last time! (Our free book The United States and Britain in Prophecy explains who the nations of Israel are today.)

We are entering the last time God passes by the people of Israel before they are destroyed! This is a time of extreme urgency! 

Deluded Flurry claims that Donald Trump is Jeroboam from the book of Amos.  Jeroboam has been abusy guy.  Armstrongsim has credited far too many men in history and recent church history to that position and absolutely none of them fit the description.  

Who is Jeroboam? Who is this specific man that the Bible talks about in the time frame of the last time God passes by to show the end-time nations of Israel how to solve their problems and difficulties, and to warn them of the consequences of their failure to do so?

This passage strongly indicates that God is going to rise with the sword in the time of Jeroboam. The Moffatt translation renders the end of verse 9 as, “I will attack Jeroboam’s house.” There is something very upsetting to God about the house of Jeroboam. This is why He wants us to understand it and why it is so offensive to Him!

God emphasizes the U.S. superpower, the leader of the nations of Israel. The U.S. is led by a modern-day Jeroboam. When there is a type of Jeroboam on the scene, then God will send the sword upon His people because of all of their sins. It’s because of AMERICA’S SINS that it must suffer!

Has Flurry ever stopped to think that maybe the U.S is being spanked because it allows the corrupt lying Philadelphia Church of God to continue to destroy families and lives? Has Flurry ever looked at the reason why Oklahoma has been hit with tens of thousands of earthquakes ever since Flurry built his cult compound there and started disseminating spiritual porn?  Nope, it is always some other big bad meanie.

This is sobering to think about. Here is a severe end-time prophecy, and GOD IS TALKING ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL. God names names! WE MUST UNDERSTAND THESE NAMES AND THE ROLES THESE MEN PLAY IF WE ARE TO UNDERSTAND THESE END-TIME PROPHECIES! It is essential that we know who these individuals are.

Then, due to the recent strokes and Alzheimer's infecting Flurry's mind, he wanders off into claiming Joseph Tkach is Amaziah from the book of Amos.  Flurry is still bitter at the stinging rebuke he and the Philadelphia Church of God received in the court system where all kinds of PCG lies and shenanigans are now public knowledge.  On top of that Flurry had to pay the WCG for the HWA writings that he was plagiarizing.  Satan is reportedly really really pissed that Flurry now disseminates Herbert Armstrong's writings.  Satan is angry! Satan is NOT happy!  Satan is wrathful!

Amos’s prophecy continues: “Then Amaziah the priest of Bethel sent to Jeroboam king of Israel, saying, Amos hath conspired against thee in the midst of the house of Israel: the land is not able to bear all his words” (Amos 7:10).

Who is this “priest of Bethel”? “Bethel” means house of God. “Amaziah the priest of Bethel” is prophetic language referring to a man who came from within the Church of God in this end time. You can see from the prophecy in Revelation 3 beginning in verse 14 that the last era of God’s true Church before Christ’s return—the very time frame we are in right now—is the Laodicean era, a lukewarm church that has turned its back on God. Amaziah is a very rebellious Laodicean minister.

Here Amaziah is accusing Amos, God’s true prophet, of treason! Amos is a type of the man in this end time who is proclaiming God’s warning message to Israel today. So this is a prophecy of a real clash between a false minister and a true prophet of God.

I believe Amaziah the priest is the same man as the leader of God’s Church whom we battled with for copyrights to the truth and message of God (Amos 9:1, 11-12). Amaziah HATES our message. He is almost certainly the individual who led a six-year court battle trying to suppress God’s truth from going out to this world! Satan doesn’t like that we won that battle and made him look bad. He never gives up when something like that happens. We are in the middle of Satan’s worst wrath.

If Flurry is claiming Amaziah is Tkach, then apparently Tkach is running to President Trump with information to destroy the Philadelphia Church of God.  PCG does not need Tkach and crew attempting to dstroy it.  Wayne Turgeon, Cal Culpepper, Lil'Steveie and others are doing a good job of that already.

The priest Amaziah is sending this message about Amos to Jeroboam. This strongly indicates that this end-time Jeroboam has a RELIGIOUS following! He is leading people in a way that they should not be led.

Look again at Amos 7:9, and you see more religious imagery. As our booklet on Amos, The Lion Has Roared, explains, “the high places of Isaac” refers to the Laodicean Church. “The sanctuaries of Israel” are the religions of this world, like the evangelicals.

Mr. Trump received over 80 percent of the evangelical vote and a large portion of the Catholic vote. He really is leading most of America’s “religious” people. BUT WHERE IS HE LEADING THEM? 

Tkach is supposedly going to go in front President Trump and tell him what a big bad meanie Gerald Flurry (Amos) is.  Seriously!  Why would the President invite Joe Tkach to come to Washington just so he could bad mouth Flurry?  Does Trump even care?  I know Tkach doesn't.  He and most other people in the Church of God consider Flurry to be nothing more than a boil on Satan's behind.

Flurry is not happy that so many refuse to heed his words.  The words coming out of his mouth are directly from God!  God is literally speaking through Flurry!  Gerald is only moving his lips as God's voice booms forth! Heed the words of the prophet Six-Pack!

How well do YOU understand that God is sending out HIS WORD today? The message you are reading right now is coming from His mouth, not some man’s! This is critical understanding that ought to sober anybody!

For decades, we have been warning Israel about what is going to happen, but people have scorned this message and pushed it aside. Yet there will come a point when people can’t bear it anymore.

It is OUR WORDS that the land will not be able to bear! That strongly indicates that there are SERIOUS PROBLEMS plaguing the nation or they wouldn’t care what we say. But we have a message they cannot bear because IT’S ABOUT THEIR DESTRUCTION! They want to close their minds to what is coming upon them—instead of repenting of their sins.

Before long the President and the rest of the country, due to Joe tkach's meddling, will be so pissed at Gerald Flurryand crew that they will DEMAND that they all be kicked out of the United States.  They will be forced to go to Jerusalem before they are welcomed with open arms in Jordan.

When this nation can’t bear our message anymore, the leaders will tell us to get out: “O thou seer, go, flee thee away into the land of Judah, and there eat bread, and prophesy there” (Amos 7:12). Judah is the land of the Jews in the Middle East. The Philadelphia Church of God has had significant projects and activities over there, and these will apparently be well known. People will know a lot about our work and our involvement in Judah. And when we become outcasts, it appears they will force us to go to Jerusalem, on our way to a place of safety.

Flurry then goes on to proclaim that all of this may mostly likely happen within the next four years!  2021 is going to be a really bad year! Famine, disease, concentration camps, death, slavery, all things that make Church of God leaders have wet dreams.

Amos 7:7-17 show that our time is very limited. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS OR PERHAPS EVEN LESS?

THIS IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST, MOST URGENT WARNINGS IN THE BIBLE!

“Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet’s son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit” (verse 14). Amos had no formal seminary or college training. God simply gave him a job. Even without “credentials,” God used this man!

“Now therefore hear thou the word of the Lord: Thou sayest, Prophesy not against Israel, and drop not thy word against the house of Isaac. Therefore thus saith the Lord; Thy wife shall be an harlot in the city, and thy sons and thy daughters shall fall by the sword, and thy land shall be divided by line; and thou shalt die in a polluted land: and Israel shall surely go into captivity forth of his land” (verses 16-17). Amos had a very different view from Amaziah: He knew this was a message from God!

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord” (Amos 8:11). How will this famine of the word come about? God’s Church will be forced to leave. No one will be here to deliver the message anymore. When this faithful remnant of God’s people is taken to a place of safety, God’s message will cease, except what we do from there. The nations of Israel have had over 80 years to heed this message, but soon they will not be able to even find it. 

Due to all of this the Phialdphia Church of God is in the REAL final gun lap.  Herb's gun lap was not real, Flurry's is.

God is using a small group of humble people to fulfill this ruin-raising work!

THIS ELECTION WAS PROPHETIC. We don’t know how exactly God intervenes to orchestrate elections and other events, but we do know He puts His people right in the middle of it all—“in the midst of my people Israel” (Amos 7:8). His people have to be at the center telling the world what is happening and what it all means.

We have a limited time to get this work done. God is showing us that we are getting extremely close to the end. This could be our last elected president. This could be America’s last presidential election. When you look at the context of these verses, and you see what is happening in this country, it appears probable that this president will have only one term.

We are in the “gun lap” that Herbert W. Armstrong referred to so often. In a Plain Truth personal from May 1967, Mr. Armstrong wrote, “We come, now, to the final stretch of the Work. In a mile or two-mile race, officials fire a revolver in the air as the runners begin the last lap. They call it ‘the gun lap.’ This Work of God, leading to Christ’s coming, has now entered its ‘gun lap.’ We must now put on the final extra burst of effort for the VERY FEW remaining years!” Mr. Armstrong never did reach the gun lap, but you can safely say we are in it now! This is the last time that God is going to pass by the nations of Israel. This is a WARNING ON TOP OF A WARNING in many ways!

Yes brethren, we are in the final gun lap, but continue to raise more money for us so we can build more fancy buildings for my immediate family, remodel our homes, and buy more fancy art and HWA memorabilia. After all, my grandchildren deserve the best dance studios the world has ever seen.  My grandchildren are being trained to teach the true heavenly dance to all of our members while we are in Petra.  Even Bob Thiel will be forced to Irish Dance since Flurry will be in charge of Petra.

IF YOU AND I ARE NOT OVERCOMING SATAN, THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE TO DO SO! 

God has revealed more understanding about this prophecy. He is speaking to His Church directly—and to each of us individually! 

“Will a lion roar in the forest, when he hath no prey? will a young lion cry out of his den, if he have taken nothing?” (Amos 3:4). God is roaring—and He wouldn’t be doing that unless the destruction of Israel is very close. 

This message has been saturating their lands, especially America and Britain, but they have refused to hear. God is going to bring them down, so they can finally get to know Him!

There you have it.  Satan is angry, God is angry and Gerald Flurry is angry.  

Living Church of God/Doug Winnail: That Big Bad Internet

Doug Winnail is having a hard time again with the big bad meanies on the internet.  Apparently the LCG big boys have been unable to stop their members from checking out web sites, blogs and news articles about the ongoing corruption in the LCG/COG's.  Bad brethren! Bad, bad bad!

We live in an age when people say “whatever they think” in personal conversations or on the Internet—and everyone has an opinion to express! However the Bible offers very different advice. Long ago, Solomon observed that “a fool’s voice is known by his many words” (Ecclesiastes 5:3), and 

“In the multitude of words sin is not lacking, but he who restrains his lips is wise” (Proverbs 10:19). We are also told that “A prudent man conceals [is reluctant to display] knowledge, but the heart of fools proclaims foolishness” (Proverbs 12:23), and “Whoever guards his mouth and tongue keeps his soul from troubles” (Proverbs 21:23). I once had an English teacher who was fond of saying, “Make sure you engage your brain, before putting your mouth in gear”—which is the same advice we find in Proverbs 16:23, “The heart [the mind] of the wise teaches his mouth and adds learning to his lips.” In order to speak wise words and avoid troubles, we need to remember the admonition of King David who wrote, “The mouth of the righteous speaks wisdom, and his tongue talks of justice” because “the law of his God is in his heart” (Psalm 37:30-31). The book of James offers this advice: “be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God” (James 1:19-20). This is sound advice concerning wisdom with words.

Have a profitable Sabbath,

Douglas S. Winnail

Dave Pack: "...you have to disagree with the Bible to follow the truth"

Superfantabulous Dave, Lord and Overseer of the First Dominion, has this to say about the apostles and the Bible.   Dave has to say this in order to make his convoluted "new truth's" make any sense to his members.

Do you realize you have to disagree with the Bible to follow the truth? Think on that one! If you agree with the apostles, you have to believe THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD CAME 2,000 YEARS AGO. You CANNOT GET AROUND THAT or you, literally, disagree with all the 12 apostles and with what they wrote in God’s Holy Word. Think on that one. There are those who do believe that the Kingdom did come 2,000 years ago. We call them…Catholics. They believe it did come then and that they are it.

Now, the Protestants spun that a little bit, and the apostates of 25 years ago also got a similar idea from the Protestants that the Kingdom is here, but not yet in its fullness. So when you pray “Thy Kingdom come” you are praying for it to come in its fullness. It’s here and a good Evangelical, a good Protestant spreads it. The job of a Christian is to spread an already existing Kingdom. But of course, we never believed that. We know better.

All the people that want to hold to Mr. Armstrong, who tried to interpret and understand the Bible, never think of it the way I just explained it. Peter, Paul, Jude…I mean, Peter—“The end of all things is at hand!” No it wasn’t. He says it later in this book in another couple of chapters. Did he lie? How would you put it? He spoke falsely? Oooh…no! It’s the way God wanted the Bible written. It’s absolutely what God wanted the apostles to say. Mr. Armstrong understood this much for sure—and said it—it’s as though the Bible was written to the Philadelphian era of God’s Church, to the last generation. Almost, I’m tempted to say, little did he know…but he did know, so I don’t want to say that. But if he knew all that we know, he would know he was…Let’s put it this way…more right than he knew.

But still, on its face, if you look at Peter and Paul…you know, John says “we live in the last time.” How many times did Paul say “It’s the last days?” Told Timothy to continue and be strong. Perilous times would come in the last days, and Timothy, here’s how you act during that…except Timothy died 2,000 years ago or thereabouts. You see? So I’m trying to help you understand. In order to believe the truth, you have to believe that the apostles were wrong. It just so happens though, the apostles wrote the Bible and they thought they lived in the last days. So you have to reject, not just one apostle, but 12, in that one narrow, little regard—and you have to reject what they wrote in Scripture, not in booklets. Do you see what I’m saying? I’m trying to get you to think differently.

Don’t lock into what Mr. Armstrong said. He would not want that. He said, “If I can be shown I’m wrong, please show it! Come and show me the proof—but I have to see proof.” I can’t wait to talk with him about this. I know him. Initially, he’ll say “How did I not see it?” and it will be pretty easy to say that…“You weren’t supposed to yet.” Knowledge would increase. He did not have any idea that he was…Can you imagine Mr. Armstrong coming up and finding out he was over three decades off, and the Kingdom isn’t here yet? Over three decades? He’d say “What?”

COG False Prophet Ready To Turn His Ministry Over To The Two Witless Witnesses

James Malm, the Church of God Official Pharisee, has always pictured himself as the most important man doing a zealous work that sticks 100% to the law.  Through his bastardization of the law he has turned his back on Jesus Christ and placed all of the emphasis on obey 613 commands  over the two commands of the New Covenant.

Pharisee Malm considers all other Church of God leaders as heretical pond scum who have turned their backs on God, the law and truth.  No human on this earth is as zealous as the Chief Pharisee.  His work outshines all the idiotic malarkey of the Doubly Blessed Chief Overseer Bob Thiel and Superfantabulous Dave Pack.

Pharisee Malm's site is the most miraculous in the world and is filled with such outstanding truth that he is getting ready to turn it over to the Two Witless Witnesses.  As these two persons are preaching in Jerusalem does he really think they care about some idiotic web site filled with heretical legalistic bullshit?  Is he going to turn his web sites over to Ron and Laura Weinland?  They claim they are the Two Witless Witnesses.   Or is he set to give his web site to Bob Thiel and Dave Pack?  This two lying false prophets both think they are hot stuff that  somehow figure into end time prophecy.

Why is the church filled with so many lying fools?  Herbert Armstrong had no idea the theological and spiritual destruction he has wrought on the church through his narcissistic disciples.

The legalistic bullshitter also expects his few acolytes to give him money to keep his servers up as the tribulation roars around the world.  He has his servers in Iceland due to the belief that the nation will not suffer as much punishment by Malm's angry god as other countries will. Because Malm thinks he knows the approximate date of the return of his false "jesus" he therefore wants to pay upfront several years worth of money to keep his web site running, all so the Two Witless Witnesses can use it to spread the truth.

As you see these events unfolding, please do not forget to support this work with your prayers and contributions.  

God’s Two will have their hands full and I would like to have enough funds to pay several years in advance for our web hosting from Iceland so that the material will remain available for as long as possible after the tribulation begins, and remember there will be prosperity in Europe for about two years before they also begin to fall so there is the rest of the world to think about.  Of course I would give God’s Two the sites to do with as they please.  

As soon as God sends His Two I will wholeheartedly support them.  

Dave Pack's "christ" Will Kill The President

Dave Pack, the superfantabulous Restored Church of God leader in Wadsworth, Ohio, says his "christ" has to "take out the garbage" when he returns and will therefore need to kill the President in order to cleanse the White House.

When Christ comes, if I can use a term so you can appreciate it, He’s got a lot of trash to take out. He’s going to be very busy and so are all of us. Before He can set up a world government, there’s a lot of people still alive, in His way, and He takes them out before He brings His government in. That’s why the tribes are wailing and mourning when He arrives. He’s got to deal with some people. You can’t go into the White House and replace a president, whose policies you’re going to change, until he’s gone from the White House…Men know that much.

Dave Pack: My HQ Is "The Light On The Hill" That Can Never Be Hid

The mind boggling campus of Super Dave

Millions upon millions of people drive by the Restored Church of God cult compound ever week.  They are in such awe that they just keep on driving on even though Dave's "christ" will soon return to this "high place" and wreck righteous havoc.

Dave is so good at brainwashing his people that his staff unquestionably believe everything he says. They too believe that hundreds of thousands COG members and others will soon be streaming into the campus and church as they are flown in on the wings of the Giant Eagle.

“[You’re] the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid” (vs. 14). Literally, brethren, the very location of this magnificent—magnificent—World Headquarters that will come to absolute completion—absolute completion…Everything is going to be not “lights out,” but it’s literally going to be “lights on.” A beautiful city with every four days…maybe now, it’s about every three days…seen by a million people who pass by on two highways.

I’m not going to say here all of what I’ve told the staff, but the staff knows what’s coming. All of you here and everybody coming for the Feast, and everybody, who ever comes from anywhere in the world, I’m telling you, if you can get to Headquarters and see this amazing city on the hill as it will exist in just 40 more days, you’ll be glad you could get here. Don’t try to do what you can’t do…I’m speaking literally, but also in a way rhetorically. I know most of God’s people can’t come. That’s why I’m committed, we’re all committed to showing films of the campus from every angle. But everybody who comes always says the films don’t do it justice. Now I shouldn’t say that for all the people who are going to see nothing but film. But we’ll try to do the best we can.

The "city of the hill" wants to make sure 

you do not get too close

Dave Pack: This Work Will Get So Big And Great That Christ Will HAVE To Bring The Kingdom

The official narcissist of the Restored Church of God is making more boastful claims about how superfantabulous his church really is.  It is going to too grow so enormous that the world will not be able to handle its presence. It will get so bad that his creature he calls "christ" will be forced to come to earth.  Dave will literally FORCE his "christ" to return.  Dave certainly is one powerful man!

But the point is, we’re going to get large enough that…It’s almost, we reach a point where…This isn’t why Christ is going to bring the Kingdom, but it’s one reason why Christ, at a point, will have to bring the Kingdom or we’re not going any further…we got too big. We got “outside the box,” so to speak. Now, we’re all over the world, but there’s going to come a point where you individuals around the world are going to have to be able to take the heat. You’re going to be trying to produce your own heat—zealous of good works. That’s what zealous means from zeō—it means heat. But you’ve got to also “take” the heat. You have to, if it’s not something you did. If you’re buffeted for your own fault, you know what Peter says in Chapter 4. But if you do well, you do the right thing and you take it patiently this is thank worthy with God. It counts.

So we are going to get enormously big. Look…unless…if the Kingdom comes very, very soon, then I guess we won’t. I guess we won’t…It would have to be very soon, though. But we’re going on…You can see we’re giving away millions of items every month. I don’t know how long it will be, but I can’t imagine it’s too awfully long before it will be one million a week. We’re over two-thirds of a million items…We’re hovering just under 100,000 items, just coming off of our website every single day. Now that’s a lot of millions of people out there, and at some point, we’re going to get noticed. We’re going to cross a threshold…and it won’t be by people who like us.

And at some point—Christ knows that point—He’s going to have to intervene, because the great marvelous work and wonder after that—which is the first phase of the Kingdom—won’t happen unless He comes and sets up His mustard seed Kingdom and puts a wall around us…but puts a wall around all of you from the moment of the reckoning, on, because nobody can lay a glove on us. And the reason nobody can lay a glove on us is Christ recognized they wanted to, and He had to intervene at the right point and make sure they couldn’t.

Dave Pack On Why Christ Delays His Coming

For 80 some years now the Church of God, in its many imaginations, have been declaring that the return of Jesus is imminent.  The world is so corrupt that Jesus was to return in 1975 an dales every year after that. One lying false prophet after another has made that declaration.  From Herbert Armstrong to Rod Meredith, Ron Weinland, to Bob Thiel to James Malm, everyone of them exposed as liars.  But who is really to blame for their "jesus" never showing up on time?  It is YOU!  It is the brethren's fault.  They were not ready.

Dave has another reinterpretation, especially after the last three years of failed prophecy...his "christ" has deliberately scheduled "delays" in his coming.   He is coming on time, but has delayed his coming...which is really on time...but it is not...because he has deliberately delayed it...though it is right on schedule...though it is delayed...but still on time...though it is delayed...

Watch what’s going on, because you’ll also get some comfort in watching the advance of prophecy, because you know days are ticking down. Christ is not going to delay His Coming. He’s going to come right on schedule…which is an interesting discussion we’ve had. He has “scheduled” a delay. So He’s going to delay, but He scheduled it, because the Bible says “the bridegroom tarried.” We just covered that. But it’s a “scheduled” delay. You think about whether or not you think it’s a delay…remembering that it is the evil servant who says “my Lord delays His coming”…That might help you in your contemplations. 

Dave Pack: Grace is like car insurance. Have a wreck and it gets cancelled

Superfantabulous Dave talks about grace.  It is too stupid to even comment on:

At some point, what happens if it is automobile wrecks, you get your insurance cancelled. I’ve used the example that grace is like an insurance policy—call it forgiveness or mercy—we’ll just say grace here—God’s unmerited pardon. It’s like an insurance policy. You can’t just go out and drive willy-nilly—“I don’t care. I’ll just speed on ice…around corners…I have insurance.” Who would do that? Insurance won’t keep you away from telephone poles and oak trees…You see?…or other cars. Just go off a curb, because you were too fast or it was icy. You can have insurance and lose your life.

Oh, and God's mercy is like insurance premiums.  Premiums that rise continually.

You should look at mercy as having insurance and the premiums can rise…Because the Bible says you can grow in grace and favor…and that means you can be one that isn’t, therefore, growing in grace and favor; but the other side is, you may not grow in grace and favor. The longer you drive and have no accidents, the better your rates, and you understand that. Men figured that out. But the more you wreck your car, at some point, you’re uninsurable…and then it’s illegal to drive and you’re off the road. And the analogy for a Christian is—you’re out of here—you’re no longer a Christian…

Ungodly Abuse in Church

Someday I hope to see Philadelphia Church of God, Restored Church of God, Living Church of God, United Church of God members take a stand and publicly sue their respective churches.  It is time the vile practices of the aberrant splinter personality cults be exposed for the frauds they are.  These groups have literally killed members all  because of their aberrant doctrines, vile practises and mind destroying preaching.  How many more need to die before the Church of God movement wakes up?

This article is appalling in the abuse that went on.

SPINDALE, N.C. (AP) — From all over the world, they flocked to this tiny town in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains, lured by promises of inner peace and eternal life. What many found instead: years of terror — waged in the name of the Lord. 

Congregants of the Word of Faith Fellowship were regularly punched, smacked, choked, slammed to the floor or thrown through walls in a violent form of deliverance meant to "purify" sinners by beating out devils, 43 former members told The Associated Press in separate, exclusive interviews. 

Victims of the violence included pre-teens and toddlers — even crying babies, who were vigorously shaken, screamed at and sometimes smacked to banish demons. 

"I saw so many people beaten over the years. Little kids punched in the face, called Satanists," said Katherine Fetachu, 27, who spent nearly 17 years in the church. 

Word of Faith Fellowship, an evangelical church with hundreds of members in North Carolina and branches in other countries, also subjected members to a practice called "blasting" — an ear-piercing verbal onslaught often conducted in hours-long sessions meant to cast out devils.

Read the entire story here:

AP Exclusive: Ex-congregants reveal years of ungodly abuse