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Exclusive Breaking News: Dave Pack Doubles Down: "...we now see Christ, the kingdom, all the New Testament saints and all Israel [resurrected] in just over 4 days.[Friday, February 5. 2021]
From an RCG source:The Dave Pack clown show continues....God has been directly channeling thoughts into Dave's mind...or, so he says.
Sermon 285
So, here we go again with another 53 whopping reasons (!) why Christ will be returning this Friday evening.
I would be interested in hearing from an RCG member or minister to issue an apologetic for how Dave can speak "with God's authority," as "His messenger," deliver a 2 hour message where he claims the material comes directly from God and then it is ALL wrong.
So we will either see Christ, the Kingdom, all the New Testament saints and all Israel [resurrected] in just over 4 days, or you have more conclusive evidence that God isn't speaking through or involved in RCG.
Disclaimer: These are loose quotes (consider it the "NLT" of Dave's sermon).
- 25:05 - "I have 53 points or indicators that Christ comes on the Sabbath!"
- 47:21 - Is there some reason the final servant [God's Final Servant] who is selected is named "David Passover?"...Why? I know what David meant but why?...It meant I was a Levite probably..." [Hard to know if he meant "Pack/Passover" was why he called himself a Levite, ultimately doesn't matter]
- 48:50 - In 2014, I explained about the walls of Jericho falling down, now exactly 7 years later [2021 by his count] is when the Father will return. [Unleavened Bread]
- 49:33 - I knew nothing of this as recently as of last Friday morning...
- 54:15 - Doubling down on a lot of crazy math. 1,335, 1,290, 11.5 days, 3.5 days, etc...it intersects with Christ's return and now counts down, not up!
- 57:18-1:06:47 - If Christ doesn't come this Friday, allowing the Father to arrive at the last Day of Unleavened Bread, then it blows up the beginning of the 1290 on Trumpets! The Eighth Head then blows up the world!!!! (RCG foretells 8 heads, not 7, as in WCG) [Note: He really locked himself into this one, so when Christ isn't here on Friday, it will blow up this new picture]
- 1:09:16 - More, very specific math and nonsensical time cycles. "The Millennium ends on the Last Day of Unleavened Bread, it's impossible to argue with it, unless the sun and moon go away. You can't argue with it! If you want to know the date the Millennium ends its April 3 3028. Dead on! [You are shocked!] I can see the blood loss in your faces, just like the ministers!
- 1:12:07 - It's a perfect picture...only the whole thing crashes if Christ doesn't come this Friday.
- 1:25:56 - How would God's messenger [David Pack] eventually know that Jesus Christ was finally coming quickly and in haste? How would he absolutely know the series is over? Simple, a hard date was shown to him that could not be breached. We finally learn how this man knew he finished his charge. He saw a giant blinking red calendar stop sign.
- 1:26:26 - If this whole picture is wrong I hope you will forgive me, since we will need to move on to some other near term date that I have no idea. So the good man of the "RCG house" would not remotely know when Christ comes as a thief and doesn't anticipate a day and neither should you.
- 1:28:40 - God streamed this concluding list through my mind without notes or the Bible. I told my staff, type this message, it was tape recorded just as I speak it, (that is also known as automatic writing) "All Israel rises [will be resurrected] this Friday night!
- 1:46:45 - It's a divine act [Dave's inspiration in Part 285], if all these prophecies are at stake, would God let me mess up? He had to just stream it into me!
- 1:49:34 - Sabat 24, is this Friday night. May we now see Christ, the kingdom, all the New Testament saints and all Israel [resurrected] in just over 4 days. If its wrong then you now understand why I kinda thought I was on to something.
For any RCG members, feel free to record these and revisit them in a couple months to see how Dave's predictions age (usually not well). Also, you could probably use the same verses/points around this time next year when he "reveals" more "Truth."
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Knights in White Satin-The Moody Blues
Charlie Piscatello, left in this cover and top of the stairs at the beginning and drummer for Moody Blues back in the day came into the WCG shortly after this video. He told me the lifestyle was too hard on him and he had been reading the PT etc.
He was a personal friend and went on to become an Elder for the remnant WCG before passing away a few years ago. Charlie was blind from birth and had no pictures in his mind to relate to. He once asked me to explain what the Space Shuttle was. I explained it to him with a model of it. He also said he understood power poles but not the lines between them.
He tells of traveling with the Moody Blues by air and was allowed on the flights first because of his blindness but also because he was with the Moody Blues. He had a seeing eye dog. The Captain always seemed to come out to meet him and Charlie would ask if he would walk his dog one last time before the flight. He then sat back and imagined the Captain walking around the plane as passengers came on board, with his seeing eye dog. LOL.
A really good man and stayed with WCG/CGI I believe up until his death.
PCG soon to take the "spoils" of Americans when they are kicked out of the U.S.
Despoiling the Egyptians
On the Philadelphia Church of God's Facebook page, there are a lot of comments by people who are NOT part of the PCG cult and are made by people who know how dangerous and devious Gerald Flurry and the PCG are.
One person made this comment:
If you remember from your Bible stories the story about the Children of Israel leaving Egypt that the Egyptians were so glad to get rid of them that they COI took their gold, silver, animals, and other "spoils" with them as they left.
Gerald Flurry has been making comments for many months now that the United States will soon kick the PCG and its members out of the United States due to the message that they preach and the fact that Donald Trump supposedly dislikes them. This was all supposed to happen when DT was reelected.
Flurry has ingrained this teaching so well into his follower's heads that they believe they will be like the Israelites being kicked out of Egypt. When they are forced to leave the United States people will give PCG members their money, gold, silver, and other finery so that the PCG can use these items to secure food and other necessities from the Government of Jordan while PCG members are spending 3 1/2 years in Petra.
A PCG member responded to the above comment:
Sunday, January 31, 2021
David C. Pack in Prophecy: “Foretold” in 1977 by Marion McNair
David C. Pack in Prophecy
“Foretold” in 1977!
Excerpts from Marion McNair
Each new generation of religious awakening spawns its own hybrid variety of the flimflam man–the Elmer Gantry of the pulpit. The gullible eagerly frequents the medicine show, the rainmaker, the healer, the prophet, one who promises the fountain of youth, the mystic elixir of life or ultimate knowledge of the Divine.
Each flim-flammer will seek his own following, shunning those who question the authenticity of his supposedly divine formula. Those men must be called on to account for the slightest failure of their heavenly claims and left desolate with their own hocus-pocus. Without the blessing of the widow's mite their well pressed garments will become rumpled and their fancy potions appear as ineffectual as they really are.
The first to be wary of is the man who predicts the imminency of the literal return of Jesus Christ. Christ warned, “Ye know not the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh” (Matt. 25:13). Christ and all the major apostolic authors warned that Christ's return would be as unexpected as the appearance of a thief in the darkness of night (Luke 12:39, I Thes. 5:2, II Pet. 3:10, Rev. 3:6; 16:15).
Heaven guards that event with such secrecy that neither the angels nor even Christ Himself knows the time of its final fulfillment. God the Father has reserved that knowledge to Himself–alone! “. . . of that day and hour knoweth no man, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only,” said Christ (Matt. 25:36),
Even though Christ's literal return will come unexpectedly, it need not catch the child of God unaware. Those who are spiritually prepared will not be startled by Christ's return–even if it comes while he is sleeping in the wee hours of the morning. The time or imminency of Christ's return is something about which one just need not be frightened if he is living a Godly life (II Thess. 5:4).
A mighty temptation rests on every minister and layman–a temptation to dabble in the prophetic date of Christ's return. But every minister or layman who has, or ever will do so, is destined to sail straight into the reef of prophetic disaster.
Why then do ministers do it? It is a very easy way to get people stirred up to the point where they will generously support a work with their financial means. In some cases, hundreds of thousands and millions will be donated by a single individual to support this kind of scare-tactic preaching–something which Christ warned should not be done. He said, “ . . . many shall come in my name saying I am (of) Christ; and The time (of Christ's return) draweth near . . .” (Luke 21:8). What then should one's reaction be when self-styled prophets come proclaiming that Christ's Second Coming is just around the corner? Christ said, “ . . . go not after them . . .” (Luke 21:8).
Ministers who indulge in this forbidden trickery will invariably construct an elaborate prophetic scheme and eventually become purveyors of dooms-day threats–in many cases directing the venom of their strikes against the sanctity of other Christian faiths.
Such men, after misappropriating millions of widows mites become the victims of their own schemes as the scripture of Deuteronomy 18:22 is fulfilled upon them, “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt, not be afraid of him.”
The second thing to watch in detecting the Elmer Gantry flimflam type has already been referenced–the self-styled prophet. As his prophetic structure grows it will become increasingly necessary that he be looked upon as having a higher station than the ordinary minister of Christ. Eventually his decisions will be equated with a “Thus saith the Lord.” Those of such esteem will gradually assume the position of the sale keeper, regulator and interpreter of God's Holy Word. They will then exercise the freedom to add to and detract from the Scriptures.
What does God say about such as this? “If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book . . . God shall take away his part out of the book of life. . .” (Rev. 22:18-19).
While this scripture pertains primarily to the book of Revelation, the same holds true for the entire Bible At the time of his death, the writer of Revelation, the Apostle John, had compiled and canonized the Scriptures as we have them today. He wrote the above quote. There is no room for special revelation when it comes to Truth. “Grace and truth came (not is coming or will come–but CAME) by Jesus Christ” (John 1:17). Paul made it clear, while writing to the Hebrews, “. . . (God) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son . . .” (Heb. 1:2), whose words are recorded in the Bible.
Beware of the self-styled prophet who uses double meaning phrases such as, “God has revealed to me,” If you believe your Bible, you know God is not now giving direct revelation to men. Beware of the man who claims otherwise.
THE WHOLE TRUTH SYNDROME
Thirdly, beware of the organization which thinks or teaches that they are the only ones who have “The Truth.” Further examination will reveal that they teach salvation is generally possible through their closed society alone. They subtly infer that only they hold the key to the Golden Gate of God's Heavenly Kingdom. Hundreds of years–perhaps eighteen hundred years have gone by without the gospel having been preached–according to them. Souls for centuries, have been doomed to their graves without the saving grace of the Gospel of Christ–according to their teaching. Beware of those who supposedly have a monopoly on heavenly things.
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If he uses your offerings for any project other than Christ's commission of preaching His Gospel, you haven't donated to the real cause of Christ. You, my friend, have experienced a Religious Rip-Off!
Excerpts from Marion McNair
See: Armstrongism: Religion or Rip-off?
Submitted by a Restored Church of God source
Dave Pack: I am out of material...The end is now before Passover...Or Maybe Next Year
From a reader on Dave Pack's latest sermon:
Part 283 (Jan 27th, 2021) - "It looks like we understand the end, more than ever before!"
33:09 - The end is either this winter or next!
45:30 - There is one big blast from Christ and then its all done. Everything starts with a bang! So many people have left us and said "its taking too long!" They only left because they wanted to break God's laws, and run after their own lusts. Because God "changed," "raised" and "sent them out," of the church! They are pretty much the "Synagogue of Satan," that's what this verse is talking about. They are "briars and thorns" who are now ejected.
1:41:55 - Tomorrow is the end of the series we go into a watch for a short space and then the Father's Kingdom starts.
1:58:50 - it looks a lot like this Friday, we are out of material, I now understand the end as I never did before. Starts doing math, somehow got to 1335. (crazy math nonsense).
2:03:00 - The KOG is "held in a mystery," you have to adhere and wait through the hard part (all the back and forth and failed prophecies).
2:07:40 - Its all got to wrap up by Passover, its got to be winter, its the bibles biggest metric!





