Bitter Bob is taking a lot of heat lately from this blog and from inside the Living Church of God. People seem to be working overtime in discrediting Bitter Bob's so called ministry. His anger and frustration at being scorned by his wannabe daddy is taking a toll on him. He lashes out today, Sunday May 25, 2014:
The Apostle Paul makes it clear that not all prophets. Prophet is an office and prophets are to prophesy. LCG’s position is that it has NO prophets (which is likely the case as I stopped attending late on 12/28/12).
But it should be noted that its top leader had repeatedly taught in the past that God may consider Bob Thiel to be a prophet
Bitter Bob continues:
Dexter Wakefield continued with:Yes, every single COG out there, but especially the Living Church of God MUST acknowledge that Bitter Bob Thiel is a PROPHET! I mean really! How could Rod Meredith be so wrong about this??????????????
“Prophets” in the sense of Elijah are rare,True. But rare does not mean that there are not and cannot be any. Now while Dexter Wakefield did not make that error, many have concluded that rare means none. The New Testament is clear that God has prophets who prophesy (1 Corinthians 12:28-30) and will do so in the last days (Acts 2:17-18). Those in LCG and all other COGs need to realize this.
Is Bitter Bob setting himself up to be Elijah? The length Bitter Bob goes to in order to legitimize himself is getting more ridiculous by the day.
LCG has taught that Elijah will either be a man younger than its Roderick C. Meredith (Meredith, Roderick C. The Elijah Question. VTE 131, May 19, 2001) or that the Elijah is not a person but an “Elijah-type work” fulfills the Elijah prophesies in Matthew 17:10-11 and Malachi 4:4-6 (Winnail D. The Mission of the Church. Living Church News, March-April 2006, p. 7). The ‘Elijah’ will be a person.
As far as rarity goes, I would ask, “How many people were told by an actual top evangelist in the Church of God that God may consider him to be a prophet?” In the 20th and 21st centuries, there is only one who comes to mind (details are in the article How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God). So, while prophets are “rare,” and being told one is a prophet by an ordained evangelist is also rare, rarity does not mean that there are none.
As far as “Elijah” goes, he is to “restore all things” (Matthew 17:11).
Bitter Bob lashes out again at Meredith for ignoring him:
The truth about early and apostolic Christians is that it is PROVABLY NOT IN LCG AND IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT than Dr. Meredith realizes When I was in LCG in 2011, I was trying to help them restore much of it; Dr. Meredith agreed, but then failed to keep his word. Dr. Meredith’s failure to keep his word on that and other matters was a major reason that the Continuing Church of God had to form.
As a new prophet and soon coming Elijah these are his qualifications, according to himself:
Would fruits of a real converted prophet include any of the following?
Doing all of the above, as well as standing up against violent sports, made me unpopular in certain LCG circles. Because of that, improper statements were published about me Jesus taught:
- Standing up against teaching wrong materials about Church of God history, some of which perpetuate Catholic myths?
- Standing up against publishing “Fundamental Beliefs” that are in error and opposed to scripture?
- Standing up against prophetic errors that are opposed to the Bible?
- Boldly proclaiming the truth to the world as a witness? See Isaiah 58:1 and Matthew 24:14.
- Praying for decades for the gift of prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:1-5) and then unexpectedly being anointed for a double-portion of God’s spirit (cf. 2 Kings 2:9-13).
11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12)Contrary to scripture I was publicly and wrongly attacked in September 2012. Despite that I endured that and continued to try to work with LCG evangelists, ministers, and Council members. Despite this, I again was publicly and wrongly attacked (see Roderick C. Meredith’s Accusatory Letter to Bob Thiel) contrary to the Bible (Acts 23:5; Matthew 18:15-17; Galatians 6:1).
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Bitter Bob is following the familiar downwards spiral of delusional beliefs and behaviors. He has slipped a lot in the last year and where it ends up will be a sight to behold as is usually the case with title takers and the first on God's mind types.
I had a blog that panned and mocked Boob. I also called him out about libeling the Church of God Seventh Day.
He refused to acknowledge me.
I wasn't bitter -- I expected it.
And I found it hilarious he never repented of his misdeeds.
Quick question: A) You're a homosexual; B) You're a false prophet. Which one of you is more explicitly condemned by God in Scripture? Careful now....
Wait--- IM CONFUSED!!!
First Meredith says that Thiel is a prophet, but then Thiel says that what Meredith says is in error.
As much of a paradox and circular craziness as the statement ..."Everything that I say is a Lie".
"LCG’s position is that it has NO prophet...But it should be noted that its top leader had repeatedly taught in the past that God may consider Bob Thiel to be a prophet...'How many people were told by an actual top evangelist in the Church of God that God may consider him to be a prophet?'..."
Why does Bob Thiel occasionally refer to Bob Thiel in the third person? It's odd.
More to the point, WTF would "LCG's top leader" (curiously not referred to by name), or for that matter, any other "top evangelist" in any other "Church of god" know about what any god may or may not consider Bitter Bob to be? Seriously. Does Bitter Bob even logic? Or does he just Bitter?
"Dexter Wakefield continued with: 'Prophets in the sense of Elijah are rare' True. But rare does not mean that there are not and cannot be any. Now while Dexter Wakefield did not make that error, many have concluded that rare means none. The New Testament is clear that God has prophets who prophesy (1 Corinthians 12:28-30) and will do so in the last days (Acts 2:17-18). Those in LCG and all other COGs need to realize this."
No, that's not the error that Dexter Wakefield made. What Bitter Bob needs to realize is Bayes' Theorem.
In the last 2,000 years, how many verified cases of SPECIFIC prophecies have been made by ANYONE that have actually been fulfilled? Zero. Nada. Zilch. Zip.
Given that probability, which we can calculate, which of these is more likely?
A) Bitter Bob will unleash a string of specific prophecies that will be fulfilled by some almighty deity?
or
B) Bitter Bob will utterly fail to speak on behalf of any deity whatsoever. Like every other dude in history!
Dexter Wakefield's error is in OVERESTIMATING the probability that Bitter Bob is a prophet, not underestimating it. This is what Bitter Bob needs to realize.
"Praying for decades for the gift of prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:1-5) and then unexpectedly being anointed for a double-portion of God’s spirit."
Ah. I think I see the problem, right there. Bitter Bob has been wishfully thinking that someday he will be an accidental prophet for decades now. And finally his wishful thinking has gotten the better of him, if not the worse.
"Contrary to scripture I was publicly and wrongly attacked in September 2012. Despite that I endured..."
Come now, Bitter Bob. A passion story? They crucified you? Or your self-aggrandizing (which you're doing right now, btw) finally made you intolerable? You might want to consider that you might do the same thing to someone else who behaves just like you.
"The truth about early and apostolic Christians is that it is PROVABLY NOT IN LCG...I was trying to help them restore much of it; Dr. Meredith agreed, but then failed to keep his word. Dr. Meredith’s failure to keep his word on that and other matters was a major reason that the Continuing Church of God had to form."
Come now, Bitter Bob. Although it is almost certainly true that the truth about early and apostolic Christians is not in LCG, it is also almost certainly true, that if it were, you would not like it, and YOU do not have any of it to "restore," and even if you did, it wouldn't mean SQUAT.
And let's not push the responsibility for the formation of the Continuing Church of God off onto a faceless corporation. It was YOU, Bitter Bob, who did it for the same egotistical reasons why your mentor, idol, and prostitute lover has done the same thing twice already.
Bob, you just don't get it, do you???
In the Armstrong movement, the office or status of prophet isn't something desirable, or to be sought after! It's something from which you distance yourself after HWA's prophecy model has failed once again, as it always will. You claim not to have been a prophet to avoid being accused of being a false prophet.
Or, you can deny that the prophecy has failed, calling it "very much still on", you can blame the failure on God, saying he did not give you full understanding, or you can find some dubious explanation as to how it was fulfilled "spiritually" Any way you slice it, you are flapping in the breeze!
You also gave us a time line, having endorsed the Stansberry scam. As with Dave and Ron, one strike and you are out! We'll be talking about you mid-summer!
BB
This absurdity over being exalted and elevated with recognition in the COG as a Profit (Ooops, I mean Prophet) is both hilarious and ridiculous. How vain of Bob Thiel!
As Byker Bob already stated in the Armstrong movement, the office or status of prophet isn't something desirable, or to be sought after! In fact Herbert Armstrong went so far as to say that there is no one in the Office of Prophet in this end time Church age.
Planet earth to Bob Thiel - if you have to convince everybody that you are a Profit (Ooops, I am mean Prophet), then you probably aren't one! Which means Ramrod Meredith is right and you are wrong!
But, if you insist, then OK Bob, you can be a Profit. You are a Profit. Congratulations Grand Pooh Bah! Now please pass the popcorn. You are just another Worldwide Church of God splinter comedy of clowns.
Richard
11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12)
Jesus said...and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for (My sake).
Bob's rants are never about following Christ, so he cannot use this scripture to justify his persecution. The whole world knows by now False Prophet Bob brings on his own well deserved bashing.
Christ was talking to his disciples and about prophets in the past, NOT FUTURE >FALSE PROPHETS< like Bob Thiel...der
Considering the preoccupation with the Third Reich, at Ambassador College, there was often fascination with things German. Apparently, some of the students who had been into theatre knew of and performed a show tune, "The I was not a Nazi Polka". It was a send up of the former Nazi offficers, who vigorously denied their past when their roles in the holocaust were exposed and questioned.
Well, starting in about 1972-75, there could have been a similar tune appropriate to the Armstrong Movement, "The I was not a Prophet Polka".
In the old neighborhood where I grew up, the older kids whom I idolized indulged in a macho bonding exercise, a card game known as "Knuckles". Man, I wanted in to those games so badly! Basically, as with many card games, the object of the game was to get rid of your cards. At the end of a hand, the person with the most cards had to draw a card from the full deck. If you drew, say a black 2, you'd receive two light scrapes of the deck of cards across the knuckles of your right fist. If you drew, say a red king, you would receive 13 hard scrapes of your knuckles.
When the older guys finally let me play, I realized that there were no winners to the game. Everyone left the game with a bloody fist to one degree or another. What Bob Thiel does not yet realize that the older "kids" who wouldn't let him play do, is that in the Armstrong world, there are no winners to the prophecy game. Everyone who has attempted to play has come away totally discredited. He does not yet realize that he's going to be doing some blood-letting just like the rest of them have.
BB
I had hoped that this could be avoided. But Bitter Bob won't shut up and stop whining. So now I'm forced to dip into a heavier caliber of ordinance. Seriously, you would not know this guy was married!!! Sorry Bob, but you brought this on your own head.
"Simply Irresistible"
By Robert "Palmer" Thiel
He's the leading top evangelist,
I love it when he bangs his fist, yeah, yeah
This kind of love is biblical,
He's anything but typical!
He's an authoritative source, with a powerful voice
You'll have to kneel by force when there's no other choice
He used to look good to me, but now I find him
Simply irresistible
Simply irresistible
His speaking is so powerful, huh!
He's simply undeniable,
The 'thing' we have is chemical,
The evangelist is an animal!
He's a biblical law and he leaves me in awe
He deserves the applause, I surrender because
He used to look good to me, but now I find him
Simply irresistible
Simply irresistible
Simply irresistible,
(I paid my tithes, but there's no tellin' where the money went)
Simply irresistible,
(He's so fine, there's no other way to go!)
He's unavoidable, I'm backed against the wall
He gives me feelings like I never felt before
I'm breaking promises, he's breaking every law
He used to look good to me, but now I find him
Simply irresistible,
(I paid my tithes, but there's no tellin' where the money went)
Simply irresistible,
(He's so fine, there's no other way to go!)
His methods are unscrupulous,
His sermon notes are voluminous, ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh
He's so completely kissable, huh
Our lives are indivisible!
He's an authoritative source, with a powerful voice
You'll have to kneel by force when there's no other choice
He used to look good to me, but now I find him
Simply irresistible
Simply irresistible
(I paid my tithes, but there's no tellin' where the money went)
Simply irresistible,
(He's so fine, there's no other way to go!)
(I paid my tithes, but there's no tellin' where the money went)
Simply irresistible,
(He's so fine, there's no other way to go!)
Simply irresistible
http://youtu.be/LJ6j6eZ0kLM
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