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Money laundering by WCG! I wonder if much has been written about this and whether it actually happened. I remember in the 90s, someone putting such a theory to me. It was based on the flow of church funds passing between US, somewhere in Africa, and Canada. I dont remember the route and direction. The claim was that the church laundered money in this route for other organisations too.
Also pointed out was how a certain David Hulme, fresh from AC graduation, was appointed Pastor in the Seychelles. The Seychelles isn't somewhere you might expect to find a burgeoning church population, but back in the early 70s, it was an offshore banking centre. Just why was Hulme sent there? What was the real reason WCG wanted one of their men there ?
So many questions, so few answers.
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The ACOGs are highly flawed, but they would not be into money laundering.
Being Pharisaical, they would rob their followers of their lives via 'administering Gods government,' but wouldn't rob them of a dime. Err, except Dave Pack who steals everything with his common doctrine.
I don’t know about that, 6:10. If they were indeed in bed with the CIA, anything is possible.
BB
When Britain first, at heaven's command
Arose from out the azure main
Arose, arose, arose from out the a-azure main
This was the charter, the charter of the land
And guardian angels sang this strain:
Rule Britania!
Britannia rule the waves
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves
Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves
The nations, not so blest as thee
Must in their turn, to tyrants fall
Must in ,must in, must in their turn, to tyrants fall
While thou shalt flourish, shalt flourish great and free
The dread and envy of them all
The Seychelles. Isnt that where the anglo saxon masterrace exiled ugandan and kenyan kings in order to be the recipients of "jacobs blessings."
Off shoring you call the legal title of abrahams blessings you pagan bloggers. Woe upon you when the times of the gentiles descend. (1976 for the seychelles)
Mr Hulme as I knew him in 1974-5 was really not a cunning financial expert.
To know things of this nature one should follow the GII trail and I am not aware that the Lawyer from White Plains ever ordered a favorable PT article on the Seychelles.
Major parts of the European work were funded through the Canadian Channel. Most African through Britain.
WCG was a Cold War effort to fight Communism. It would be a blast if Hulme was "our man" before the 1977 coup d etat and secure the Seychelles for the Commonwealth.
But I would be more interested in the billion of New York real estate by the Marcos clan, to whom Rader pledged support for the agricultural reform program at the largest. Philipine military installations in front of the entire army staff the airforce and the press.
And of course how South Africa obtained nuclear weapons from Israel at the time Israeli PM's would break off cabinet meetings and drive for an hour to meet hwa and then return to Jerusalem leaving HWA flabbergasted and surprised by the task that "god" had put on "his" shoulders.
Nck
Nck, can i ask if WCG was a cold war effort to fight communism then how could the CIA be sure HWA would have lived so long? He could have died on them of a broken heart after his son or wife died.
Although I can see what you mean, there is always far more going on behind the smokescreen, WCG getting the perfect radio opportunities in Europe and WCG even being debated in British parliament.
Hello 7:30
That is an honest question. It is ok not to know how spy operations are conducted.
To give you a clue.
Ali Agca who shot the pope probably never knew who pulled his strings. He had his own reasons to do what he did and interrogations would lead him to conclude bulgarian secret service or hungary sponsored him. Of course kgb moscow wanted polish pope john gone.
Another hint on budgets "the movie charly wilsons war."
HWA was just a person believing his own confirmation bias. Not an agent. This personality type is the easiest to nudge in a direction. You just need to confirm their own biases.
So "miraculously opening doors", or the anglo saxon race ruling the world becomes a confirmed bias of its own.
HWA was a super christian believer in miracles and gods guiding hand and not too educated in the traditional sense.
In his party I hinted at extremely intelligent people who by HWAs admission knew the ways of the world better than he did.
As an open source you could use old worldwide news papers.
Often you see a lengthy article hailing HWAs return at LA hailed by students and eager to adress the church.
In a footnote it states.......Mr Rader arrived later since he had business to attend in Washington.
Perhaps a hint at debriefing.
No one visits a worldleader without a debriefing and hwa visited more than any person on earth.
Especislly those of the non alligned nations.
So no HWA was not an agent at all. Just extremely talented in speaking with authority on the announcement of a new world order, one that coincidentally matched the order the USA envisioned, the order of the "unseen hand", which every educated person knows is free trade laissez faire capitalism.
Nck
7:30
Good you mention the pirate ships disseminatin lg American culture over an undecided continent bending toward socialism.
As David Hulme us under discussion we should remain on topic or nimcompoops will get confused.
The history of the world tomorrow tv broadcast over catholic and socialst italy was a first class ticket seating hulme next to berlusconis brother on a flight to lax.
It s not that mediatycoon berlusconi needed the money or in any way adhered to a christian lifestyle.
So the rapid acceptance of the wtm broadcasting over the entire south european rim was part of an effort against state controlled socialism and controlled media. A culture war. Corporatism.
Nck
Art Ferdig , who at one time was the Editor of the Plain Truth Magazine back in the 1960s, was involved in a huge money laundering and ponzi type scheme that involved many countries, and Ferdig's very own offshore bank. Perhaps he got his offshore banking experience back in those WCG days too, and had involvement with this all?
https://www.wired.com/2010/08/the-ferdig-gang-of-money-laundering-evangelists-and-its-pursuers/
This next article also appeared in BANNED a number of year ago about Ferdig...
http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2012/07/arthur-ferdig-hwa-assistant-and-his.html
Larry Moluf, an elder with the Living Church of God, was (according to Greg Douda , author of "Showdown at Big Sandy") a former agent for the NSA.
I wonder if Moluf can shed some light on all of this?
Please. There were quite a few members who served their country well.
I am talking a huge media operation bend on the promotion of the anglo saxon race (5 eyes) ruling a post apocalypse (ww2) order.
Too big a prize not to exploit and offer "open doors".
Nck
Tonto, aside from Moluf, there was another LCG bigwig who had a CIA background. I don't remember his name, but he worked with/for Dick Ames.
I guess it’s fair to apply conspiracy theories to the organization that taught us how to use them to explain the unexplainable. However, conspiracy theories tend to remain theories unless definite proof elevates them to the level of fact. Most of those who could provide the facts are not only dead, but it would also not have been in their best interests to bring the truth to light while they were alive. David Hulme is still among the living, but why incriminate himself?
Still, it’s always just so much fun to speculate at the expense of Armstrongism.
BB
In the same vein, the world tomorrow worked from the st peterburg office broadcasting into jeltsin russia.
This is the period that Bill Clinton led Russia into havoc by introducing laissez faire chicago school of economics capitalism.
The ensuing crisis and inflation traumatized the Russians so bad that democracy became killed in an early phase and putin rose to power in his bid for corporatism russian style merging business and state.
Before that putin worked at the mayors office and I did business on trade affairs, paying hefty bribes.
Perhaps debbie Armstrong should shed light on what occured there instead of raving like a lunatic on alleged family stories.
Nck
Did I relate the story about the GIII with HWA aproaching an airport of one of our main allies. The moment aircontrol saw the approach they offered us to drive on the tarmac and a police escort if we so pleased.
Just 4 years later at the same airport when the a - hole tkach aproached the waiting party was directed to customs for an hour search of the suitcases until a local member with contacts in the travel industry slammed his fist on the table and exclaimed enough is enough. This will do.
So far for Gods favor for his apostle I thought, continuing my slide into defection of the fold.
Nck
in all frankness, if any of this stuff is true, then why didn't GTA use this inside information in some form of "expose'" on the WCG after he started his own church?
nck wrote:"This is the period that Bill Clinton led Russia into havoc by introducing laissez faire chicago school of economics capitalism."
Sorry nck, you are mostly wrong about that. So, in a nutshell here we go.
In September of 1991, shortly after the end of the Cold War, a cabal of elite bankers and intelligence spooks led by Geoerge H. Bush, financed a 240 billion dollar covert operations warchest, through the purchase of ten year securities that, as it happened, were scheduled to come due on September 12, 2001. "Project Hammer" was mainly used to finance a covert economic operation against the collapsing Soviet Union, whereby unknown western investors bought up much of the Soviet industry with a focus on oil and gas, crashing the Russian economy and looting it's central bank and orchastrating what became known as the great ruble scam and a wide variety of other clandestine state-assisted operations designed to throughly prevent Russia from ever contesting the U.S.A. as a Superpower ever again. Putin's nationalism was naturally a response to losing power in one's own country.
DBP
BB Tonto.
Interesting responses.
My entire point is there is no inside information.
Even if 23 year old dh would have supposedly been representative or director of a shell operation he would today testify that the funds were dedicated for the african or asian Work.
Mt ali agca point is that people dont know who owns them. Probably 10 of the employees of this insurance company knows they are working for Buffett.
And HWA didnt know he was working for the 7th largest economic power in the world when he reported back at kiwanis and rotary in sunny california.
DBP. Thanks for your addition from a republican angle. I had that image in mind of drunk Jeltsin and Clinton laughing with tears in his eyes when I wrote my piece.
Nck
BB
Thankfully non of the facts that I provide are disputed.
I may however be left quite embarassed about my theorizing with those facts once the 200 page fbi file on hwa gets disclosed that uo to now is not open for research "for reasons if national security."
Tonto. GTA's entire case and frustration centered around the fact that he as the heir apparent was privy to nothing (except administration of which the real deal was done in Beverly Hills)
Nck
It’s like all of the the old HWA stuff, nck, when he first began to put it all out there. Time and research was required before it could be addressed and refuted. Time is required to get out in front of misinformation and scam, and the internet has been a remarkably useful tool in making the correct information available to those with any semblance of open mind remaining.
We don’t have the G-3 log, and we certainly don’t have HWA’s FBI or CIA files if such files even exist. Therefore, we cannot address or counter your contentions in any intelligent manner. That is the nature of both secret information, and information that was supposedly lost for 2,000 years (which HWA used as one of his major premises). Secret information renders it impossible to obtain a second opinion. You cite HWA’s own comments on his travels, but, while some of the comments may be verifiable, overall HWA’s own testimony regarding his activities has been shown to be very questionable.
If you have the log, why don’t you publish it? If, as an attorney, you can obtain HWA’s FBI file, even in redacted form under the Freedom of Information Act, why don’t you do so? Anything less is just whistling in the wind.
BB
BB
True!
To attain "A" version of the GII log from public sources, one needs to assemble old WWN, PT's, GN's, sermons, radio broadcasts, Ministerial bulletins etc etc etc. And of course posess "a wonderful mind (memory)".
Even then IF the Kitcheners would be amongst those few to like doing that stuff, one needs to posess certain analizing skills. Example on some of the blogs PT articles are cited that seem to talk about race issues in a racist way, then the blog people all gather to condemn that material. A proper analyst however would read the word "communist" more often than "black" or race. So what is the fashionable analysis of the day?
Ok, the FBI file is in Atlanta I believe. But it is closed "for reasons of national security". I'm putting this out there, so one time in the future some person can wet their pants laughing at my analysis when the files are available.
The only reason I went bezerk on this topic was when bloggers started denying the GII flew Japanese elites to Quatar, South America, South Africa and even if accepting my story called it "hobknobbing" as if people with real power don't have superiors to report to on progress made... That made me crazy and now its kind of a hobby to know these things that not one soul at present is interested in. Not one person asked me what military base did Stanley speak at, what CIA supported agricultural reform program? It is Sado Masochism perpetrated on myself and I seem to have developed a (non sexual) liking for this.
But yeah. You are right.
nck
Nck, that wasn't from a republican angle. It just so happens that Bush is a republican and neo-conservative. I'm neither of those. I would consider myself a libertarian.
DBP
Nck, maybe Trump can revoke Executive Order 13233 when the time is right. By the way, I also dabble in conspiracy theories as a hobby and entertainment. Some of this stuff is far better than anything hollywood has put out in a long time. But only the good ones, not flat earth, we never went to the moon, alien bases in Antartica, hollow earth shit. I mean, how can the earth be both flat and hollow?
DBP
DBP 10:09
Did it escape your attention that after 911 the Bush administration consulted Hollywood big time to come up with possible scenarios of how america could be under attack in the future?
I never read fiction. I find reality so much better and exiting than anything fake.
Did you see "Syriana"?
Welcome to my world.
I see you like history. I recommend the life of Cecil Rhodes for an understanding of what WCG got itself entangled with through the ideology it promoted through its broadcast and pamphlets. It's no wonder Lady Di preferred the company of hwa over stuffy Rotchilds when they met. Winston Curchill adored his american mother. A zeal for life is so much more interesting than power. Trump needs to recapture that true American spirit for the nation, instead of playing powergames to satisfy and appease a fearfull doubting people, stricken with loss aversion paralysis. I doubt he will be the champion to favor transparancy on all levels.
Nck
DBP
If you liked Syriana, you could follow up with "The International."
I admit, I only reside in the shadows of the footsteps of moneys descending for tax purposes before they ascend to greener pastures, like locusts, restlessly searching for survival, circumventing the earth as the 'strong hand from someplace", making dessert bloom, eradicating hunger, leave a wasteland when denied shelter. Not making waves myself. But hey a scavenger needs to eat too.
Nck
Commenters here are so polarized that even if an independent analyst were hired, nck, it would not convince people one way ot another.
I had hoped you had a package assembled that I could review, since you have mentioned this several times.
BB
DBP
And of course while discussing movies, history and politics with you, I might aswell insert that Bill had indeed been a Rhodes scholar. Although we share the opinion about decades old general police regardless of political affiliation. Just to make a point about empires and the us and b in prophecy ideology as the most requested booklet and wcg the largest media outlet for american empire building both through its message and the financing of international outlets.
Nck
DPB
Benjamin Hartwell, Steve Bannon, Raymond Burke are going to save Europe for Christianity and Catholicism from a monestary in Trisulti and inspire the "populist revolution" from there.
I spent my time fighting the Ordensburgen as ideological centers for the nazis.
Of course by just mentioning these names you would instinctively recognize them as countryman. I here have been twisting everyones arm and changing perspectives by pointing at american ideological infiltration to serve a purpose. I have identified that purpose as a synchronisity between the kingdom of god and the american empire.
Everything the russians stand accused of (mingling, intervention) is copied or invented in the usa.
The british government raised concerns in 1967 on the pirate ships.
The Armstrong ideology is alive and kicking since it is entangled with us interests, and set in May to take the European Parliament election.
How about that for a good conspiracy read. You said you only liked the best. Not the flat earth ones, but the ones you can see happening in weeks since they are ops hidden within policy fighting proxy wars.
Also right now on trumps desk. A report on european cars being a threat of national security. Volvo and BMW posing "clear and present danger".
Let me know if we can cooperate in writing a bestseller and see if Tom Hanks is available. I'll find some nice locations that offer tax deduction for filming locations.
Nck
Nck, hollywood is mostly in cohoots with Operation Mockingbird. What I'm saying is that they work for the mysterious M.I.C. Take some recent movies for example, like "American Made" and "Snowden", Sibel Edmonds was right about him. And Russia might even turn him over to the Trump administration. If you look into "Project Hammer", you will have found that it also includes Marco's Gold, Yamashita’s Gold, the Golden Lily Treasure, etc. I don't believe everything in that link. Remember that they are only theories.
DBP
Well. The only designation for hwa that ,like apostle, was not attributed to him by others, was "newscaster". Two people he truly admired as professionals were Walter Cronkite and the actor Ronald Reagan. (besides Magic Marvin Earl Johnson who he watched frequently)
In the article it mentions GWB authoring policy for RR. Of course. RR had "that vision thing", while GWB was one of the most important civil servants to have ever served this nation.
Gulf War 1 had only been possible through the calls to his vast network of international contacts. And the US made a profit too, with Japan paying and Saudi Arabia and VAE ordering weaponry later. Of course GW1 was sold as an american paid effort to liberate Quwait. One handshake away I had people serving prison time after transferring the Royal Family assets after a freeze was imposed by the USA.
Of course Japan paying for Gulf War 1 had been one of the results of its dependence on oil, this is where the Japanese Sons come in travelling with HWA from Tokyo to Quatar. That is not theory.
I know for a fact, lately one cog doing their cog good works thing in a foreign nation. Some of the nicest and naive employees were doing their christian cog duty on getting the gospel out, within months they found themselves invited to networks like the Manhattan institute and seated next to mcdonnell douglas weapon lobbyists for the middle east.
Fortunately for their souls these cog representatives were focussed on what they thought modern cog are supposed to accomplish and focus on media instead if politics and just enjoy the food and represent their organisation.
However, I could see more advanced, non christian people like Rader or Kuhn seize upon such opportunities. Especially if on later career paths you see on cv's consultants on high technology to Japan and Israel.
Nck
Earvin magic johnson jr that is. I mixed up a couple of letters.
Nck
The PCG did get in trouble with the South African government a few years ago for sending money to the USA-based HQ. One of their ministers who was not a South African citizen apparently had to go back to his Australian home-land.
For more info, see www.exitsupportnetwork.com/mike_ep/letters/ltrspcg12.htm letter on Jan 20
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