It is always fun to watch various COG leaders go into meltdown mode when their teachings are questioned by members. In their mind, when their god reveals something to them then the membership needs to swallow it as absolute truth. 99.99% of the time these revelations are figments of severely disturbed minds instead of God speaking.
For a couple years now, ever since Flurry went to Oregon and dug up the dirty old rock that Herbert is supposed to have knelt at to pray, he has been on a quest to legitimize the absurd idolatry of the rock that has taken place since then. From originally being placed in a garden so people could sit and meditate in front of it, it is now displayed in a glass case so that the devoted can gaze upon it in awe and wonder knowing that the sacred butt of the so-called "christ" they follow will come and sit upon it. The absurdities of the myths that Armstrongite leaders dream up is beyond measure
Flurry has written a new article (Psalm 89: Jeremiah Speaks to the PCG) for his grumbling and questioning members who are refusing to swallow his lie. He has to keep his few remaining members under control and living in fear so that his money keeps coming in. Pretty much how ALL the COG's operate these days.
Like all good COG leaders, Flurry has to claim that certain scriptures are written for a specific church in the end times. According to Flurry, Psalm 89 was written by Jeremiah SPECIFICALLY for the Philadelphia Church of God. Of course, he cherry-picks one Psalm in particular to support the worship fo the rock he has elevated to status of sacred.
I believe the Prophet Jeremiah authored Psalms 89 and 119. The Worldwide Church of God taught this for many years under Herbert W. Armstrong, and I agree. These psalms are also written in poetry, which Jeremiah was skilled at doing (perhaps with Baruch’s help), especially considering the poetic book of Lamentations.
God commissioned Jeremiah to save David’s throne from Israel and reestablish it in Ireland, so Jeremiah had a passion to understand David and how and why he was a man after God’s own heart. He wrote in the spirit of David as a means of becoming more of a man after God’s heart. One lesson these psalms teach is that we must be people after God’s own heart.
The author of Psalm 89 learned a lesson from psalms like Psalm 22, which David wrote. The author of Psalm 119 patterned it after Psalm 19, which David wrote. If Jeremiah wrote these chapters, then the connection of his thinking to building David’s throne is clearer.
The message from God in these psalms is especially for the Philadelphia Church of God. God’s Church now has David’s throne. God has made us responsible for building up that throne, a great responsibility—greater than we tend to realize! God is educating us so we know how to build it up.
As usual, it is a COG responsibility to help usher in some kind of "kingdom" they think their god is in the process of using them to prepare.
Jeremiah was speaking of what he would do, and now God is speaking: “I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations” (verses 3-4). God promised to build up David’s throne to all generations!
God keeps His promises, which means He has been building up that throne in our lifetimes, in these last two eras of the Church! Herbert W. Armstrong restored all things (Matthew 17:10-11) and laid the foundation for our understanding of this truth. And this last era is especially unique because we have David’s throne—the throne of God! (This is fully explained in my book The New Throne of David. Request a free copy.) God is going to build up that throne in this last era because it is now within His Church. He has fulfilled that promise and is building up that throne within the pcg today.
According to Flurry, his members and the COG membership as a whole do NOT understand this amazing thing. Even Bob Thiel, who knows everything about everything, cannot comprehend this great news! Of course in Flurry's eyes, his group is specifically set apart to be the select group to usher in this creature "christ" he claims that will sit upon his rock. Yet, many of his follower's are not on the sacred rock bandwagon
What is our part in this? We have specific responsibilities that Mr. Armstrong did not have. God’s ministers and Church members must build up His throne! God is concerned about how we execute this royal duty. He is focusing us on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, who will rule from this very throne!
Genesis 49 is a prophecy of what would happen “in the last days” (verse 1). In verse 10 God states, “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.” The scepter and the lawgiver would descend from Judah, David’s tribe—even “in the last days,” right up “until Shiloh come,” until Jesus Christ returns! And this is a specific prophecy that those two roles—the scepter (civil government) and the lawgiver—would be combined into a single office. In the past, the scepter and the law were separate—one individual holding the scepter on David’s throne in a civil government and another teaching God’s law in His true Church. But now they are combined in the Philadelphia Church of God.
You cannot combine these responsibilities and build up the throne of David without putting in some work. We must have a level of understanding to be able to tie these two entities together. Now everything is ruled by the royal law of God until Shiloh comes. That law rules the very throne of David! It is stunning to think on what God has given us and the kind of example He expects us to be.
Did you know that 95% of the COG refuses to follow this nonsense! It is Flurry's duty to draw us all back into the true chruch. We are not joining his work or giving him money.
The sun and moon give light, and so does this godly promise!The world lies in darkness; it doesn’t see this light. Nevertheless the truth about this throne is real—it is a bright lamp God gives His Church! God’s people must shine that light both to the world and to the 95 percent of God’s people who have grown lukewarm and turned away from God. Their failure shows how difficult this job is.
God expects a lot from His people. He certainly required a lot of Jeremiah. This prophet was persecuted, thrust into a dungeon neck-deep in mud, and left for dead. Surely his nerves were stretched to the breaking point!
When PCG members and others dare to question Flurry's dedication to this holy rock and the teaching it will be the thone his creature "jesus" returns to they are directly attacking the royal line of David, which essentially means that you are attacking Gerald Flurry, since he is of that "royal line."
Now, in Psalm 89, comes one of the strangest turns anywhere in the Bible. After those many powerful statements about God’s promise to David, this follows: “But thou hast cast off and abhorred, thou hast been wroth with thine anointed. Thou hast made void the covenant of thy servant[David]: thou hast profaned his crown by casting it to the ground. Thou hast broken down all his hedges; thou hast brought his strong holds to ruin. All that pass by the way spoil him: he is a reproach to his neighbours. Thou hast set up the right hand of his adversaries; thou hast made all his enemies to rejoice. Thou hast also turned the edge of his sword, and hast not made him to stand in the battle. Thou hast made his glory to cease, and cast his throne down to the ground. The days of his youth hast thou shortened: thou hast covered him with shame. … Lord, where are thy former lovingkindnesses, which thou swarest unto David in thy truth?” (verses 38-45, 49).
These are strong words! I do believe they are Jeremiah’s. Maybe Jeremiah is one of the few who would talk to God this way because he had such a close relationship with Him. Yes, this psalm concludes, “Blessed be the Lord for evermore. Amen, and Amen” (verse 52). But does that mean everything was OK?
The attack on David’s royal line deeply dismayed Jeremiah. Clearly he thought God had broken His promise!
PCG members do not trust Flurry in this matter and that has irritated him. PCG members MUST trust him in ALL matters. To do so is to "cast the crown" to the ground denying his "christ."
Now, in Psalm 89, comes one of the strangest turns anywhere in the Bible. After those many powerful statements about God’s promise to David, this follows: “But thou hast cast off and abhorred, thou hast been wroth with thine anointed. Thou hast made void the covenant of thy servant[David]: thou hast profaned his crown by casting it to the ground. Thou hast broken down all his hedges; thou hast brought his strong holds to ruin. All that pass by the way spoil him: he is a reproach to his neighbours. Thou hast set up the right hand of his adversaries; thou hast made all his enemies to rejoice. Thou hast also turned the edge of his sword, and hast not made him to stand in the battle. Thou hast made his glory to cease, and cast his throne down to the ground. The days of his youth hast thou shortened: thou hast covered him with shame. … Lord, where are thy former lovingkindnesses, which thou swarest unto David in thy truth?” (verses 38-45, 49).
These are strong words! I do believe they are Jeremiah’s. Maybe Jeremiah is one of the few who would talk to God this way because he had such a close relationship with Him. Yes, this psalm concludes, “Blessed be the Lord for evermore. Amen, and Amen” (verse 52). But does that mean everything was OK?
The attack on David’s royal line deeply dismayed Jeremiah. Clearly he thought God had broken His promise!
You MUST trust Flurry, unconditionally! To not trust him means you do not support the great commission.
God is saying to Jeremiah and to all of us who have God’s throne in this Church now, You must totally trust me—or you cannot fulfill this commission!
It sounds easy to totally trust God and “live … by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” (Matthew 4:4). But it is tough to actually do it—not 99 percent, but 100 percent! This is what God expects from people who are working with David’s throne!
You know Jeremiah had faith—but at this point, he did not totally trust God. He had to grow to where he absolutely knew God would fulfill His word, regardless of appearances to the contrary.
Even having a 1% distrust factor means you are totally removed from God's sight. 100% trust and loyalty to Gerald Flurry is required. Only then will you be a true "son of Zadok".
Trusting God 99 percent or less is really a deadly spiritual disease! God’s people must remove this disease. God’s message is, Don’t challenge me. Don’t accuse me of losing my lovingkindness! Just know 100 percent that if I say it, it will be done!
Only those who totally trust God are “sons of Zadok,” named after the priest who remained loyal to David’s throne to the end. That means totally trusting every single word of God, including the scepter promise and the covenant with David.
How dare PCG members "murmur" against Flurry! To do so is to go against church government which has set Flurry up as the one true leader in this end times.
What do you do if there is murmuring against God’s leader? Somehow you have to convince them they are wrong, or they are going to be put in the outer court. Here, God performed a wonderful miracle: “and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and yielded almonds” (verse 8). This was so spectacular, even the carnal Israelites could not deny God’s presence!
The principle is, compare the rods and see where God is working. None of them will miraculously bud and produce fruit except for the one God is using.
Revelation 10:11 contains our commission to “prophesy again.” Revelation 11:1 says God’s leader is given “a reed like unto a rod,” a symbol of authority to do the Work. In the end time, God’s people were divided and confused, and 95 percent of them turned away from God, and they are murmuring, and they are in the outer court, and they don’t understand what God is doing—a tremendous failure! They need to prove who has the rod that is blossoming, budding and bearing fruit!
Murmer's will DIE! 50% of the COG will die FOREVER because they have rejected Flurry!
In Moses’s day, God warned that those who didn’t stop murmuring and rebelling would die (Numbers 17:10). That is what God says to us spiritually. At some point you must stop the murmuring and rebelling, or you’re going to die! That is the opposite of the total trust God is building in His people. This is about eternal life and eternal death. Amos 8:14 speaks of people who “shall fall, and never rise up again.” Fifty percent of God’s people who turn away from Him are going to die forever!
If you are a loyal COG member and stop murmuring then you too can be there when Flurry hands over the sacred rock so his creature "christ" can sit its royal behind upon it. Only the true follows of Flurry will be heirs of this magnificent time!
Some of God’s people will soon present that throne to Jesus Christ at His Second Coming! How can someone do that if he doesn’t really understand these things? We must believe what God is doing! We are sons of Zadok, and we are going to share the throne with Jesus Christ. So God expects the very highest standard. To fulfill that role, we must have demonstrated total trust in God!
Flurry warns then all the unfaithful PCG members who dare to question him. Every word he speaks and every single word his ministers speak is specifically from the god of the PCG! That word can NEVER be questioned!
No matter how hard the trial gets or how fierce it is, just look in the Bible. See what God says. And when the temptation to question or challenge God arises, refrain! Don’t even go there! That is total trust in God.
God’s ministers have the responsibility to teach God’s Word—not what they would like it to say or what they think it should say, but exactly what God tells them to say! That is total trust!
Flurry ends with justifying the deluded visions his mind has made up. His god has revealed the truth about the sacred rock and his creature "christ" returning to it. That can never be questioned!
When I heard a voice announcing the new throne of David, it was absolutely like no experience I have ever had. But hearing it made me realize all the more that God is right here! He is not in some far-off place. The angels, too, are all around wherever God’s people are. That experience helped me see this even more deeply.
God wants to build in us total trust! If you are a loving father, you will not forsake your child. Yet God and His love exceed that commitment by many miles! God is perfect! Jesus Christ is perfect! Even amid the agony of torture and crucifixion, He totally trusted God.
I am a descendant of David, and God has given me the title of a king. I probably want to use this office even less than I should because I don’t feel worthy to be anything for God. Nevertheless, it means a certain responsibility for me and for all of us. We have a duty to raise and build up David’s throne.
In the back of Flurry's mind, there is a bit of logic that tells him that he is crazy as hell, but he is so blinded by his own narcissism that he cannot see it and ultimately sees the rejections as persecution.
Many prophecies warn that God’s Church will receive real pressure in the future. Enemies will castigate our people in unmerciful ways. They will probably say people who hear a voice belong in insane asylums, and it is crazy to follow someone to a place of safety who says he is a king. They will compare us to cults like Jim Jones, which committed mass suicide. That will be hard to take! It will take strong courage to resist that. And that will only come from knowing and totally trusting this revelation.
100% loyal is demanded!
God doesn’t want one speck of distrust! We are human, and we all sin. We are not perfect like Christ and the Father. But we are striving to be like them as much as we possibly can. We are striving to totally trust our Father! That is the primary lesson we need to learn from Psalm 89.
If Jeremiah can have a breakdown of his faith, so can all of us. He had a breakdown, but I think he quickly recognized it. And remember, he was one of the great men of the Bible.
If we are to do great things for God, we have to believe God! We have to trust God totally! If we do that, then no matter the opposition and obstacles, we will do a great work for Him!
That false trust in the god of Flurryism really means one thing. You cannot trust Flurry's god unless you trust HIM (Furry) 100%.
100% obedience of the true leader is required for salvation to happen. That is the mantra for EVERY single COG leader from Flurry down to Thiel.
23 comments:
Perhaps his students that can't get into clogging can start a new band, "Twisted Scriptures"?
Come to think of it, clogging is not a bad description of what Gerald Flurry does to his groupies as well.
Wow, just Wow.
This is another ball game from picking on Bubbah Thiel or any of the other splinters.
A cult leader brainwashing people into 100 percent obedience and preparing them for a Jim Jones event,....... which of course will be very different this time.
Nck
Combining the office of king and religious teacher is a violation of the separation of church and state. Different mental traits and training is required for each, so one person being qualified for both is unlikely. For instance, king David was a great military leader, but many of his legal judgments are questionable. He made many snap judgments without attempting to get all the facts.
These types of articles by ACOG leaders fail to acknowledge that their members have grown over the years. They are no longer the immature adults or bible novices from the HWA era.
PCG members did not care when Gerald Flurry started his PCG cult by immediately changing the commission of the church from preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God to acting like complete jerks towards all other former Worldwide Church of God members and calling it “warning the Laodiceans.” PCG members have now spent (that is, wasted) up to 30 years suppressing and perverting the true gospel in the most outrageous way.
PCG members did not care when Gerald Flurry soon started to teach that he, rather than Jesus, was what he called “That Prophet” of Deuteronomy 18:18-19 that everyone had to listen to or else God would call them to account. PCG members have now spent (that is, wasted) all the years since then following a really satanic false prophet.
Why would PCG members now care about the “new stone, new throne” complete nonsense that Gerald Flurry recently came up with? If all the outrageous lies and nonsense and evil in the PCG over the past 30 years have not bothered PCG members, why would they care about this latest ridiculous lie of Gerald Flurry's?
PCG mushrooms can remain in the dark and be fed whatever manure they get from That Runt.
There is not even a PEBBLE of truth in Flurry and his HWA "stone of destiny".
New Stone, New Throne
Did Gerald Flurry trade off his indoor porcelain throne in the bathroom for an outdoor rock to s(h)it on?
Combining the office of king and religious teacher is a violation of the separation of church and state
Anon 12:40 PM is another ignorant American of the type so typically found in the ACOGs. Nowhere in Scripture or ACOG teaching is there a "separation of church and state" principle to be "violated." Until recently, most Americans were like Anon 12:40, treating their government like it was some kind of religiously ordained institution. Now, many are figuring out what the rest of the world has always known, that political power ist just that, POWER, and that the REAL "Golden Rule" in politics is that whoever has the gold gets to make the rules, a lot like we see in the supposedly religious ACOGs.
The stone appears to have a running track line on it. What's that all about.
something that comforts me and one that I anticipate very much is Deut 18:20
"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even That Prophet shall die."
may God speed that day to release the suffering of many.
Jesus Christ is the catholic fake name for the Babylonian trinity member, Tammuz. The cross is venerated in honor of Tammuz. (T). Anyone worshiping the Babylonian religion should not be honored as a teacher of the Holy Bible.
This has to be the stupidest thing I’ve read here in the comments. The name Jesus Christ is not a Catholic name they gave Tammuz. Historical documents of the time name him as such but I guess you are too dumb to ever research that. Armstrongism sure has created some historical and theological idiots. Anyway, thanks for the laugh. Hilarious
1.40 PM
You are a poorly read person. First, the separation of church and state is biblical. One example is in 1 Samuel 13:13-15 where Saul offered a sacrifice that was meant to be performed by Samuel. God took away his kingship because of this sin. Another example is in 2 Chron 26:17-18 when the king attempted to burn incense in God's temple. God turned him into a leper for this sin. In Dan 3:4-5 king Nebuchadnezzar demanded that all his subjects worship his image. This is an example of the merging of state and religion. Sadly in ACOG-land, ministers have merged church and state by using brainwashing and verbal violence. Which is why blogs like this exist.
Second, Americans have never treated their government as a religiously ordained institution. That's the European view. The history of America's development proves this. The states formed a committee to recommend a state constitution. This was typically based on the Englands 1688 bill of rights that sets out certain basic civil rights. The constitutions were debated, modified and eventually accepted. The declaration of independence assertion that that governments role is to "secure these rights" to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, summarizes these constitutions. There is nothing religious about government protecting people. It's in Europe that the government is viewed as a de facto god which hands out some rights (more accurately privileges) to it's citizens. Even today, Englands bill of rights is viewed by the British as a handout wrestled from their government rather than natural rights from God.
Dennis said:
"Perhaps his students that can't get into clogging can start a new band, "Twisted Scriptures"?"
Sounds great, maybe they could don some leather and be the warmup band for the next Judas Priest tour!
Wow! You all are really into this shit, aren't you. What a waste of time. Are all of you retired...with no hobbies? Get a life!
It would be nice if worthless false prophets like Gerald Flurry would be forced to get off their lazy ass and go work for a living instead of taking biblical scripture and then giving it false meanings to try and back up their authority to intimidate people into supporting him & sending in $$$. His messiah is HWA and he just ignores Christ. HWA only worked for a few years himself prior to the Great Depression. Obviously they ignored Paul's statement about he who won't work shouldn't eat. I guess maybe Gerald"s next quest will be to look to buy another jet or maybe try to find the Rolls Royce that HWA had back in the day.
A lot of us now EX-PCG members did care about what Flurry was teaching. That's why we left. Many of us have been gone twice as long as when we were there. Sure he has his loyalists that will believe anything he says, even if it's just to keep drawing a check.
Maybe he should read “Touch Not the Lord’s Anointed” Catch Cry from the Wicked Shepherds website. Members of these groups would do well to question everything they are being told.
This goes way beyond HWA's fascination with/revival of the broken-down Anglo-Israel theory!
By comparison, HWA could be excused: after all, he was just a down-to-his-last-dime-unemployed-High-School-dropout-religious-fanatic-dumbass.
1.08 AM
Wow! In that case, take your own advice and avoid this site. Lead by example.
👆🏼PCGer 😂
It must be hard being Grant Turgeon, knowing that you've got a cushy life offered to you as a grandson of That Profit, but because of being tasked to monitor the Internet having to know that Grandpa's religion is a crock of crap. Unless the young man is a sociopath, his internal conflict must be very hard to manage.
WTH Psalm 89 was written by Ethan the Ezrahite.
Old Gerald Flurry getting another rock in his head is not really all that surprising. Lots of old people in the PCG are bad, and the older they get, the worse they get. They do not get better.
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