Monday, December 9, 2024

Commercial Break: And Now a Word About Christmas from the Elijah to Come-David C Pack (Mr Passover to you)

  Stars are Evil 

 

Dave Pack: Preserver of Fringe Theology and the Age of Cosmological Ignorance. 

Note: Moloch, Remphan and Chemosh do not actually exist. Saturn and Venus, on the other hand....

 

"I'm gonna tell you some fascinating things no one has ever understood and I am sure of it!"

David C Pack

 

 “I know more about Christmas than anybody who’s ever lived. Period.”

 “I I maybe there’s somebody who knows more about [Christmas] than I do,

BONUS FOOLISHNESS

 “I’ve studied prophecy, I am sure, by far, more than anybody who ever lived.”

"I know prophecy better than any man alive."

“Look, maybe there’re people who know New Testament Church history better than I, but I but I I’ll bet there aren’t three in the last two thousand years,

but I doubt it.”

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Stars ain't all that bad Dave...



When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”


In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.


As for the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.


And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.


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MY CHRISTMAS MESSAGE TO DAVE

 

"I know astro-theology like no Dave Pack ever could"  :)





“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

 


NOTE: Lucifer, "the light bringer" also is given this title in scripture. It is the source of the idea that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. Kinda like the good Horus (God of light) and the bad Set (God of Darkness) of Egyptian mythology. 

 

 Isaiah 14:12:

“How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! 

 

NOTE: The story of the fall of Lucifer, the light (Sun) bringer, is simply the phenomenon, not understood back in the day when stars were spirits and Venus, as an inner planet rose and then "fell back to earth." made a great story explaining their world. 

 

This rise and fall of Venus, especially in the morning prior to sunrise,  is due to it being an inner planet. This phenomenon was the source of many a rich tale in antiquity. 

 

 

Anyway...Merry Christmas from the world's greatest mind and expert on Christmas.

 

David C Pack

 

(And please don't forget that Jesus, for sure and it cannot be argued, returns next week on December 16th at 9:37 EST.

 

Unfortunately I have to work so I won't be available :)



Saturday, December 7, 2024

UCG Now Hiding Sermons From The World




The following was a comment today on another thread:

They just announced today in church that they're putting their sermons on their website under lock down. You now have to register and have a password to watch/listen to sermons! How is that making the gospel available to the world!? SMH....they're doing the exact same thing as LCG and PCG. Stop saying you want to preach the gospel to the world and then hide it away behind permissions and passwords. What you're really doing is exerting control. Can't any group do something different for a change without all following down the same controlling, cult-like path??? 

Why is it that most of the larger Church of God groups hide behind member walls? Do they now realize how embarrassing their sermons are and how little of what they say is of substance? They all claim coming intense persecution, but none of them have the balls to publicly say what they believe. Now they cower behind "paywalls". Ever since Herbert went around the world talking about a "strong hand from someplace" the ministry and splinter leaders have followed in that same pathway. Unable to really explain God, Jesus, grace, etc. they instead spout the same canned sermons you would have heard 40 years ago in the church. 

It is time for you to break free from the captivity of the splinter groups!

 



"For thus saith the Lord, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place."
"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
"Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
"And I will be found of you, saith the Lord: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the Lord; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive."

Are you ready to flee from the captivity of the various splinter groups that fill up COGland? It is time for you to break the chains of enslavement and return home to your one true mother. So says Samuel Kitchen:

Yes, God is going to bring all the membership of the Worldwide Church of God out of Babylon and back together as ONE FAMILY IN HARMONY.
We have been in CAPTIVITY BRETHREN.
Christ calls on us, as He does in Revelation 18:4 to COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE.
How God does this is based on WHEN you turn your entire heart unto Him and search Him and His ways out! That is how you "Deliver thyself out"(Zech 2:8) from dwelling among false churches and false religions! THAT IS HOW YOU ENDURE UNTIL THE END! That is how you remember what your parents taught you and how you can be involved with the finishing of the Elijah work which has been done through Mr. Herbert W Armstrong by Jesus Christ. Christ through His apostle turned the hearts of the fathers to their children and now is turning the hearts of the children to their fathers.
We can be part of the team which Christ will use to educate the entire world upon His return!
The Worldwide Church of God was not just our parents church. It is the Church which we have been called to be apart of! So lets seek out the Lord with all our hearts brethren.
Let us rise to the occasion and be what God has called us to be.
FREE FROM CAPTIVITY. Samual Kitchen

Friday, December 6, 2024

Video: Gerald Flurry's Prophecies EXPOSED - The Shocking Truth!

 


In this video, we expose the shocking truth behind the Philadelphia Church of God and Gerald Flurry's false prophecies and his cult-like following. Don't be deceived by these fake prophets! although they claim it is, what they are saying is NOT from the Bible. They leave Jesus out of the picture and blasphem against God. 

This is a snippet from EP1. To watch the full version go to thedispel.com




Thursday, December 5, 2024

Politics and Christianity: Is the Southern Border a Test of Our Christianity?

 

Christianity and politics.  (Fair Use)

Politics and Christianity

Is the Southern Border a Test of Our Christianity?

By Scout

 

“ONE BEGOTTEN OF GOD TAKES NO PART IN THIS WORLD'S POLITICS!” – Herbert W. Armstrong, Worldwide News, 1980

I remember when political realism caught up with the Worldwide Church of God (WCG).  For some of us, it landed like a hot potato – to be handled cautiously and gingerly.  I do not remember the facts of the case as much as I remember the philosophical and theological arguments.  A member of the WCG was going to run for mayor in Big Sandy, Texas. At least, this is what I recall now decades later.  To the WCG lay membership back in those days, worldly political involvement was anathema.  

I discussed this growing issue with one of my buddies who worked at AC.  I recall that he was ambivalent but knew one of the principal arguments in support of this new political realism.  He said, “If you lived in a city where most of the population was in the WCG, wouldn’t you want the city government to be run by a WCG member?”  While there is a practicality to this view, it does not comport with the quotation from Hebert W. Armstrong above.  Herbert W. Armstrong was fully in opposition to WCG members participating in politics. So much so, that in the quote above, he is unequivocally denying the conversion of anyone who does.  But what are the ramifications? 

 

The Dilemma of Politics for Christianity

A case in point.  Many White Evangelicals around the country are influenced by something called White Christian Nationalism (WCN).   Sociologist Samuel L. Perry defined it this way, “Adherents believe in the idea that America was founded by Christians who modeled its laws and institutions after Protestant ideals with a mission to spread the religion and those ideals in the face of threats from non-whites, non-Christians, and immigrants.”  

This creates a problem, for instance concerning the issue of immigration.  This is roughly what has happened.  The USA has a great appetite for illegal drugs.  US citizens buy tons of product from Central and South American countries.  This destabilizes their governments and economies and funds the power of the cartels.  The result is that people flee these countries to come to the USA where there is an economy they can participate in up to a certain level – that level being lower class but much better than what is available in their devastated homeland.  They want their kids to eat regularly and go to school – like most economic immigrants.  The USA is a full participant in this cycle.

The conundrum for those American citizens who claim to follow Jesus, but are influenced by WCN thinking, is that some of the people sleeping on the ground at the southern border are also Christians.  I have seen church services at the border being conducted on TV.  And it only makes sense that some Christians would be caught up in this engine of destruction.  Christians are everywhere – they salt the earth.  There are missionary groups that are trying to help these Christians on the border.  But they are the traditional groups and I really do not see any WCN involvement.  The WCN people are mostly Trump supporters and want to see the door closed in the faces of, in some cases, other Christians.  Hence, the political involvement of the WCN not only trumps Christianity, it vacates its force and role.  It is no longer about Jesus’ commandment to love your neighbor but about a political opposition to immigration for secular reasons.

Let me hasten to add that I do not do anything directly to help the border Christians and non-Christians - people in crisis.  My resources are absorbed elsewhere.   I do see Christian groups, judging from the internet, who are helping.  And I know of some Armstrongists who have talked up the idea of charity.   I know little about what actually gets done. 

Summary Argument

Worldly politics has resulted in Christians with a hard heart opposing other Christians in need.  That is the sad dilemma whether HWA saw this specific issue of immigration or not.  Watch this space.  If there are rebuttals from WCN-influenced Armstrongists the chances are high that the rebuttals will be political and not theological.  I am not sure there is a theological rebuttal to taking care of your brothers.  An example of a political rebuttal is to say, “We just want these people to come into the country legally.”  That doesn’t give anyone a plate of food.  That doesn’t acknowledge that American drug consumers role in destroying homelands.  I believe HWA was right about politics.  I wonder how many of his followers adhere to that idea?  

Some Political Questions for U.S. Christians?



Some Political Questions for U.S. Christians?
Lonnie Hendrix/Miller Jones

Do you believe that the founding documents (e.g. Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution) were Divinely inspired? Does that make those documents inerrant and/or the founding fathers infallible?

If so, do you believe that the United States is God's nation? Do you believe that the political system of the United States is the most perfect system of human governance ever created by man?

Do you believe that the United States is a "Christian" nation? If so, does that mean that all other religions should not be tolerated? Should we ensure that any contributions to our system by people of other faiths should not be permitted/tolerated?

Do you believe that the founding fathers were righteous individuals? If so, why did some of them own slaves and/or engage in extramarital affairs? Likewise, do you believe that the United States is/was a righteous nation? If so, how do you explain the way land was taken away from Native Americans? How do you explain the toleration and support of the institution of slavery? How do you explain the exploitation of natural resources, extermination of species, and pollution of our air and waterways?

Do you believe that human political leaders can and/or should be Christians? Do you believe that it is possible or practical for secular leaders to strictly adhere to the teachings of Jesus Christ in the performance of their duties within the current system and/or on the world stage?

Do you believe that God intended for Christians to improve the human political systems of this earth? Do you believe that Christians have a responsibility/duty to impose Christian moral standards on the larger society? If so, which denomination's beliefs should we employ as our standard? Also, does that mean that the rights of some groups of citizens should be denied (like homosexuals, atheists, or adulterers)? Should Christians support the public execution of sinners/criminals? If so, do we have any responsibility to encourage repentance, forgive, or show mercy to such individuals? How would that be managed/administered?

If God truly directs the affairs of humankind and is working out some design/plan, what happens if we support or vote for a candidate whom He didn't choose? Do we bear any responsibility for the failure of policy choices that we help to make? Do we bear any responsibility before God for unintended consequences of the choices we make at the ballot box? How do we maintain a clear conscience before God when we support someone who clearly does not live up to God's standard of behavior? Does the end justify the means?

Do you believe that the United States is a democratic republic? If so, how do you explain the fact that blacks and women were only allowed to participate in the political process in just the last century? How do we justify a minority being able to thwart the will of the majority or impose its beliefs/policies on the majority? How do we justify the practice of gerrymandering or the practice of partisanship?

Why do you think that Jesus said that his Kingdom was NOT of this world? Why do you think that Jesus instructed his disciples to pray that God's Kingdom come to this earth? Why do you believe that he also instructed them to pray for God's will to be done on earth as it currently is in heaven? Does that imply that human leaders are NOT doing God's will? Why did the Apostle Paul instruct the saints to NOT get entangled in civilian affairs? What did he mean by that? Why did John refer to human governance as Babylon and "Beast"? What do you think it meant when he wrote for God's saints to come out of her and NOT participate in her sins?

I'm truly interested in hearing some responses to these questions - especially for those who answered yes to the first few questions! Did any of the above questions prompt you to reconsider your political views or better understand why some Christians choose not to involve themselves in secular politics?






Wednesday, December 4, 2024

The Continuing Church of Chigololo


The Great Bwana Bob had better whip up some of his homeopathic brews and ship them over to Africa to cure the rampant chigololo going on there in his leadership. 

Sources have again confirmed the truth that Radson Molowzoa does have a new wife (Patrisha Sambani). His ex-wife divorced him around 3 years ago for adultery. 

Terry Nelson reported this to Dr Bob Thiel way over a year ago and even showed Dr Thiel a picture of Radson holding a woman. Radson told Dr Thiel it was a cousin (Patrisha Sambani). Really? 

Sources have also confirmed a phone conversation between a top CCOG leader and a Hope of Israel leader. The leader in the CCOG said, quote "I will have no part in bringing Radson M. And his ex-wife together....Radson has a new wife, let him stay put". 

This CCOG leader also said Dr Bob needs to fire Radson, as he is a liar, adulterer, and rampant fornication machine. He has no churches in Malawi as the people don't trust him.. 

The CCOG Leader also said, hopefully, Dr Thiel will do the right thing before it's too late. Sources have also confirmed a letter written to Evans and Dr Thiel from 2 top CCOG men saying Radson does have a new wife, and Thiel must be told. 

A top CCOG leader apparently has this letter and plans on releasing it soon unless action is taken. 

Many reports are coming in praising Sosten L., as the most caring man for the CCOG brethren. Let's hope for the best......


CHINYANJA (CHICEWA) language translates chigololo as:
"improper sexual conduct or adultery"