Armstrongism is certainly filled with some nutjobs!
Obviously this poor soul never attended God's College!
Oh wait, maybe she did and that's part of the problem!
We often used to say that the nation followed the church and vice versa. One being an indicator of the condition of the other.
I equate Barack Obama with Joseph Tkach. A change has occurred and now splintering of one sort or another will begin.
When the fire or trouble goes out to all Israel, we know it begins at the altar.
If you look further you can see that the Church of God 7th day has it's own J.Tkach in the form of Whaid Rose who says the church is and always was "protestant". He has introduced the cross and pictures of Christ,etc.
Long before the WWCG or Radio Church was in abundance around the country Mr. Armstrong had told his evangelists that they could meet with Cof G 7. That didn't last long and after the WWCG had more congregations was completely ended. But it does show they were not at that time off the track completely. They are now, however.
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"I equate Barack Obama with Joseph Tkach"
There is no comparison whatsoever.
Does this mean Malia Obama is going to be President someday, following the pattern of Bush father/son, Meredith father/son and Flurry father/son?
Also, just like Michael Reagan had his own radio program, so too do the sons of Meredith and Flurry have their own media presence.
Flurry's son now has his own daily TV show. It's mostly on obscure cable channels, but is also online:
The Trumpet Daily
Meredith's son (David, surprisingly, not Jim) has his own podcast:
Heads Up
I think most would agree that little Stevie Flurry comes across (perhaps deceptively) as a beacon of sanity compared to his Dad. David Meredith, however, may not be much of an improvement over his Dad.
Yes, I think I would rather watch a program presented by Malia Obama.
Now you've done it!
I've been waiting for this.
I'm assuming that this is the Apostle / Prophet Malm we're quoting here. We'll make a short work of him.
Here is what Whaid Rose says at the CoG7.org website:
The General Conference, Church of God (Seventh Day), is a family of more than 200 local congregations scattered across the United States and Canada. Through its International Ministerial Congress, the Church of God (Seventh Day) is a global church, connecting 300,000 members around the world. Begun in the mid-1800’s, this church remains committed to the authority of Scripture, the truth of the Sabbath, and the centrality of Christ, among other distinctives. Its denominational headquarters is located in Denver, Colorado.
In case Malm didn't notice, Herbert Armstrong is like, dead! He has no church standing as a legacy that he personally founded. He came along some 80 years after the CoG7 started up. He's been gone for 25 years. There were never more that 125,000 members in the revolving door WCG. And today, it's unlikely that what is left of the heretical rebellious idolaters of the Armstrongist Churches of God could scrape together 200 churches in the whole world collectively, they just are not that much of a force in the world, they aren't stable (certainly not the church Christ would build), they seem intent on destroying each other in church wars to see who will be left standing and they don't have hospitals, doctors and dentists going into 3rd world countries to help the poor.
If ever there were a time for the Armstrongist CoGs to FEAR and repent -- not that they ever will, since their collective conscience is seared with a hot iron with their lies -- this would be it, before they disappear forever without so much as dust left over as evidence they ever existed.
What is coming next this summer is an onslaught which should just about end any question about their viability.
It's clear that the author of this is an ultra-conservative, anti-Obama nutjob. That's what far too many ex-WCG fanatics became.
The COG7 is just a split from the insanity of Ellen G. White's Adventism. She was the original "nut job," but the poor woman was suffering from brain injury.
Allen, I enjoyed and benefited from the article about procrastination you wrote in the Plain Truth... ah... some time ago.
I wanted to clarify a couple of things here.
In the mid 1850s, there was a rather free association between and among the sabbath keepers. For this reason, it is easy to assume that all the Sabbath Keeping churches of God came from James White, who was married to Ellen G. White. Nevertheless, they had "separate tracks" in spite of what the SDAs would like to claim.
It was during the spring of 1844 that Rachel Preston, a Seventh-Day Baptist, spoke to an Adventist Church in Washington, New Hampshire. Captain Joseph Bates, an adventist, was among the earliest to hear and become convinced of the Sabbath. It was he who in 1849 and 1852 came to the Jackson, Michigan area preaching the Sabbath. Among the converts of this work were M.E. Cornell and Gilbert Cramner.
Gilbert Cramner was the one who set the course for the CoG7. The Whites were "troublesome" to the Sabbath Keeping churches of God and claimed the "Adventist" title which the other (multiple) churches of God rejected because they did not believe it was Biblical.
It should be noted that William Miller pursued the Sabbath after "The Great Disappointment". In the parlance of the usage of the word in this context, he repented.
You are correct that there was something really wrong with the wife of the founder of the SDAs. I'm not sure it was a brain injury. There are some very suspicious things about her "visions". They seem to be plagiarisms written word for word from other sources, thus establishing a fine tradition of the Armstrongists.
It would not be well to paint the CoG7 with the same brush as the SDA, especially at this time when the SDAs are working powerfully to destroy the CoG7. It was last year they wanted the CoG7 to give up its logo because it had a Bible in it like the SDA logo has. The SDAs admitted there was no copyright or trademark violation, they just wanted the CoG7 to disappear. They are sort of like the old WCG in that regard.
It should be noted that I possess a few documents to which most in the CoG arenas have no access, from very reliable sources.
You are quite correct that Eg White was a nutjob.
God's End-time Apostle James Malm did not write this. While Malm continues to pick on CG7thDay, this stupidity did not come from him, at least not yet....
It is from a COG member who thinks she is also a Jew and promotes all things relating to Judaism as the only path to follow. Anything that ties one down with as much legalistic BS as possible is right in this woman's eyes. She is one sad Armstrongite.
It is no secret that HWA tried desperately to do everything he could to differentiate between his church and traditional Protestantism. This, in spite of the fact that his church's history traces back through the Seventh Day Baptists, a decidedly Protestant denomination! Whether it involved banning calling God or Jesus "Lord", elliminating some of the most inspired and beautiful hymns ever written without even considering the circumstances under which they were written, or labeling crosses as pagan, we all sucked it up without doing our own research, accepting theological garbage as our new canon.
Take, as an example, the cross. When one reads Malachi 9, one discovers that those who grieved for all of the evil in the culture of that day received a letter on their forehead. Those with this letter were spared. Scholarly Jewish tradition is that this Hebrew letter was "tau", a symbol of completion. Well, guess what the tau looks like! A cross!!! 1500 years prior to the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Our former teachers did very bad research, and presented a very defective witness. Even if some of their doctrines actually end up being correct, their lying witness was so damaging, and the fruits so bad, that who could possibly be led to truth by such people?
BB
Whoops! Brain overload. For those following in their own Bibles, it's Ezekiel 9! Sorry for the error.
BB
BB:
Most of the men who were considered the 'educated' in the church used books from the college library and probably the Pasadena Public Library. Neither of which contained books on deep theological research.
I am sure you remember that the Ambassador library was extremely small. Many of it's books were dated from the mid to late 1800's into the mid 50/60's. Lot's of outdated theology books,, loads of anti-Catholic books, a vast array of pyramidology books, a a lot of WWII books. There were more books about Judaism than Christianity.
These men were not educated in modern day criticism. None dared upset the apple cart, so they reworded previous writings of previous ministers, and on and on they cycle went.
I doubt if there is anyone in ANY of the COG's that could actually debate with intelligence what they believe. Some that have left certainly can though.
It is really sad to think that Armstrongism has as it's foundational 'canon' of books only two that stand out. One an anti-Catholic screed that has been refuted many times over - Hislop's "Two Babylons" and the other Dugger and Dodd's "The History of the True Religion". These two books alone is what we trumpeted out to legitimize our beliefs. The only other that comes close as sacred canon is Foxe's Book of Martyrs. That was used to scare people into submission.
Three books and Herb's six month 'study' in a public library. Not a seminary or college library but a little public library.
And how could I forget the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica! That was the last edition that held God's truth in it.......
"When one reads Ezekiel 9, one discovers that those who grieved for all of the evil in the culture of that day received a letter on their forehead."
Which was a dual prophecy, repeated in Revelation, with the Mark of the Beast.
Crosses are of pagan origin, Bob; even most mainline Christians won't deny that, these days.
Douglas, I think you'll find that Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright was three years out of copyright protection (being published in 1902) when US&BC was published in 1980; so the plagiarism accusation doesn't hold much water, either.
More to the point, every congregation I attended had a copy of the book in its library, and we even had two copies at home. So did several other members that I can think of, offhand.
"Douglas, I think you'll find that Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright was three years out of copyright protection (being published in 1902) when US&BC was published in 1980; so the plagiarism accusation doesn't hold much water, either."
Whoa, there! That booklet was sent to me in the early 1950s, long before the old book, Judah's Septer, Joseph's Birthright was out of copyright protection. They probably copyright their rendition as soon as they knew the old copyright had expired, but they published it long before that.
There was little likelihood, even earlier, that Herb's condensed and reworded version would be challenged legally, but they grew very protective of legal rights after Rader came on the scene.
Plagiarism is plagiarism regardless of whether there is a copyright, never was a copyright, or there was a copyright which has expired.
If there ever was a copyright on Shakespeare's works, it has long expired. To claim his works as your own would be plagiarism.
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