There's that easy out again. Another wimpy prophet.
Dear brethren,
You all see there’s disaster on the horizon EVERYWHERE and as far as the eye can see. The headlines scream this: “ITALY: Victims over 80 could be ‘left to die’ in drastic measures”—“San Francisco orders residents to stay inside”—“It’s not just toilet paper: People line up to buy guns, ammo over coronavirus concerns.”
These are all part of the extreme “labor pains” Mr. Pack has been talking about!!!
In addition, the stock market lost another 3,000 points today—the biggest drop since the Black Monday crash of 1987. Many trillions in wealth have been wiped out over the last few days! Yet we are only just seeing the beginning of more economic woes to come. Vast numbers cannot travel and are losing their jobs as the coronavirus continues to bring a terrified planet to its knees.
How could we come this far, see all that we are seeing, and somehow think we have much more time. Impossible!
Mr. Pack is tentatively planning to deliver a 90-minute message on Wednesday of fascinating things still being learned. Tomorrow, we are going to give you a document explaining why we either have a few days left—or three years. You will want to study it!
All the tumultuous events occurring bring to life Christ’s question in Luke 18:8 as never before: “When the Son of man comes, shall He find faith on the earth?”
If we stay strong, brethren, we can ensure He finds this faith in all of us!
In Christ’s service,
The Headquarters Ministry
18 comments:
The biggest fallout from the Coronavirus event is the economic one. The speed of the dieease will end by summer, if the timeline that we see in China cases holds true.
However, the longer term fallout to the USA economy will be quite large. It was at a somewhat bubble , end of the tunnel place anyway, with an extended economic expansion. However , having large industries, like tourism, food and hospitality, airlines, oil, and several others taking a 3 month timeout, the whole economy will suffer, and a recession is likely.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out across the COG universe. Unemployment will increase, and virtually every COG , even at the recent economic top, were seeing slight declines in income due to demographics, age, deaths and departures. The budgets for all them were very tight with no slack.
Surely, there will be a lack of attendance , or downright cancellations of the rapidly approaching Spring Holy Day Season, (with online substitutions being offered), but this will likely result in lower offerings too. Holy Day offerings make up a very large percentage of COG incomes.
We shall see how all the COGs handle this decline of a likely 5 to 10% income drop, and if the ministry will respond orderly to either salary reductions or layoffs.
"How could we come this far, see all that we are seeing, and somehow think we have much more time. Impossible"!
Just a few days ago headquarters were exited for the horror that was soon to take place and the emergence of some mysterious big 12. Now today they are putting out that the only possibility of more time is impossible.
That is unless oops - it could be three years from now.
Only from the headquarters of the RCG could you get a statement of impossibility and an implied possibility concerning the same subject two sentences apart.
So the RCG has dropped their trousers and squatted twice this week and what we see lying there is: "everything is on for this week", "the horror that is about to take place", "the emergence of the big 12", "it is impossible to think we have much more time", "we could have 3 days or 3 years".
Who doesn't think that during this time of world consternation and the RCG's wild speculation that there is they possibility that they have this very week been ordering 5000 plus flowers for the grand garden.
My prediction is that the big 12 are 12 very important trees that have ties to the WCG that will be revealed and that there will be 3 more years of multiple thousands of flowers purchased and planted and yearly invites to the national garden club to come visit and fawn.
Living with a spouse that is in this group and totally buys into this nonsense, leaves me with a feeling of uncertainty. I never know when he will just up and leave if someone should call and tell him to. He is no longer invested in our marriage or in any kind of future plans for our place. He is physically here in body but not in a meaningful way. It seems as if everything has come to a standstill, no progress, no plans and no mention of tomorrow. We are no longer a team as we were for many years and it is hard to let that go, knowing that it will never be the same again. This mentality encourages a death till us part, killing a marriage and relationship with no way back.
It's possible that one or more of the "tinfoil" churches of god will actually attempt to flee over this. However, this new dimension of airline shutdown and the quarantines certainly impinge upon the typical ACOG model of fleeing and the place of safety. I also have to remember that this is just one disease, and although it has the potential to kill many more people than the flu, it is still nowhere near the Biblical proportions outlined in Revelation.
I seriously doubt, considering "common", that Dave's people even had adequate financial resources to buy extra food, first aid supplies, water or water purification products, extra gasoline, generators, ammo, or any of the other thimgs that most Americans are purchasing as we speak. That alone should make them think about the conditions he has imposed upon them.
We may not have the time to spend monitoring what is going on in the ACOGs as we become preoccupied with the additional complications which we face in all of our own individual lives, but I'm sure the ones in the more oppressive cults will be less fortunate than the rest of us. I hope the members don't force themselves to suffer unnecessarily. May be time for a paradigm shift?
BB
“Tomorrow, we are going to give you a document explaining why we either have a few days left—or three years.”
Three days, or three years, or three thousand years....
“You will want to study it!”
Do not be so sure about that.
Of course, Dave could have written his own powerful and convincing letter but sounds like he might have learned not to put all his prophecy in one basket. Having the "Headquarters Ministry" write this may leave him plausible deniability and easier to defend the either days or three years factor. He'd probably be better of forming his prophetic drivel with a question as Bob Thiel does taking no personal responsibility for the prediction and merely asking if it might be so as if this was the way of the prophet. It's the way of the fudger.
In short, in spite of the times and current events, he may be building in that fudge factor finally. Dave doesn't let others do his drama and "leadership" for nothing. To give it up the the HQ ministry is telling, knowing Dave as I think I do.
I could be mistaken. Dave may be in consultation with Jesus over this and simply did not have time to write it himself.
9:44 AM Living with a spouse that is in this group.....
That was my biggest fight for while I attended there. I had could not fathom nor could I have ever imagined a religious organization that had such a strong animosity against and unto non member mates.
Examples included strongly excluding non member mates from attending the NTBMO after having travelled 4,5,6 hours. Quickly counseling away marriages because the ministers don't want to deal with the ongoing "drama" which they create by commanding the church spouse to travel and be away from home many weekends. They are purposely pitting spouse against spouse for financial gain through the command of "Common". Kicking out a non member wife who was attending a feast luncheon because she was wearing a cross necklace that nobody could see except the minister who was standing above her looking down her dress. This list could be expanded much further but the bottom line is the RCG is the other woman who happens to be a man who happens to be worshipped.
You are in a war 9:44 that consists of many battles. The loving thing do is to save a mind from destruction which is a two pronged front waged by the RCG against the member to bring that result.
Losing battles doesn't mean you have lost the war. The unfruitful works of darkness persist unto this day within the walls of paradise just as it did some 6000 years ago.
I’m in the same boat. But I refuse to give up. I know that one day my spouse will see what is really going on in the RCG. Any person with even the tiniest bit of common sense will, sooner or later ..
Hang in there!
Who gives you the greatest untold story sermons ? Can you guys give me some?
My condolences to those with a mate in RCG.
What's all this "Big 12" stuff? Don't you know the NCAA basketball tournaments were canceled?
#8:42AM
I’m tempted to give them, but I can’t.
In order to listen to the sermons you have to login to the ‘Member Service’ part of the RCG website. If I could I would give you guys here my login and password. But that’s impossible, because the communication/admin department of the RCG is keeping track of who is logging in, where they login (IP address) and how often a person is logging in..
I know, it sounds like ‘Big Brother is Watching You’, but they really do that. Because of my profession I had a long talk about the RCG website, cyber security and monitoring with one of the RCG specialists during the last FOT. What he told me, especially the way they keep track of what their members do online, did not really surprise me. But it still came as a shock to me.
Great Dave doesn’t trust the members of his little flock .. And for a good reason I would say
I was a Preaching Elder, but got fired. My wife also got fired... then they accessed her laptop and wiped ALL sermons, AC lectures, emails, those "special" lectures to the ministry etc. etc. Brad and company are a truly creepy bunch of stalkers, not to mention how they bug every inch of the HQ building.
@ 1:25 AM, do you realize that if SuperDave is paying for certain kinds of advertising support, he can pretty much figure out what other websites are visited by visitors to his site? Someone whose IP is logged in the "Member Service" area but also has been to Banned will certainly get flagged, and if you disable the security settings that allow such tracking you'll be right there on David Christ's list of suspected "Suppressive Persons"
There are ways around that 9:43 AM, like using a VPN connection. And if the RCG would catch me ‘snooping around’ what could be the worst thing that could happen? Oh wait! They would kick me out :)
My spouse wouldn’t like it, but maybe that would be the wake up call...
These cults are bad for marriages. But even the more mild cults like UCG and COGWA will get involved as ministers or member "friends" and console the spouse who has stayed faithful to the cult and support the idea that the spouse who values their Christianity above the cult is deceived and not a real Christian.They chip away at the marriage slowly but surely and make their suggestions, which are in fact evil. Unequally yoked to the organization, not giving a whit for the sanctity of marriage, not giving a whit that Christ is the measure of a believer, not giving a whit to a promise made. Has it occurred to them that their organization causes division? Is it any surprise when their organization's primary message is how the organization is different/better than all other churches or groups. The one thing the COGs are good at is division and they love it.
So, what was the big pronouncement from Pack'a-lies on Wednesday?? Is it three days or three years before Christ's return? Where is the document that is to contain Pack's latest demonic prophecy??? It is truly insanity to believe these delusional predictions after the umpteen times he has been wrong!!God help those brethren who still sit in RCG seats at HQ and around the world. Please cry out to God for the courage and help to leave that dangerous cult before it totally sucks the life out of you!
Damn. I never knew it was that deep. They are controlling their members lives to the extreme. I wanted to be part of restored but knowing what I now know, I think I'll keep away.
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