From exRestoredCOG
Kenneth M. Orel is a minister serving David C. Pack in the Restored Church of God. This was a sermon given in 2022.
Parents in the church are taught that if their children leave the church, then they are to be kicked out of the house immediately, no pre warning, no plan in place. This sermon is not even talking specifically about when a child is hostile, disrespectful, and intentionally does things to disobey rules of the house, but just if they have differing views or beliefs and choose not to attend services and be baptised (which teenagers are often pressured into doing). The Church stands by this teaching, and ministers approach families to strongly enforce this as soon as their children come of age. In some cases, parents have been pressured into kicking a child out of the house as young as 16 years of age just because they no longer wanted to attend or when a child struggles to attend based on health difficulties or learning disabilities. I know this from personal experiences.
The church brands anyone who leaves the Restored Church of God as wicked and sinful, assuming everyone who no longer attends wants to live a life of disobeying God. They teach that by leaving this church, you are cut off from God, and therefore, any family still attending should cut you off or keep distance.
They teach that you should not pray for protection or success for your children but instead pray that they be ashamed, disappointed, and come to repentance. Repentance from what? For leaving? This is twisting scripture. The church teaches not to pray kindly for those outside the church and especially those who leave the church but to pray that we feel hurt and fall.
Many parents have succumbed to this teaching and have kicked their children out, which has caused division in families and shattered relationships that last a lifetime.
I'm all for children having respect and obeying rules of the house and striving to do something with their life, but to simply not want to attend the same church as you, it is wicked to enforce this in the name of "love". This is not love.
The church doing this makes it so parents and children feel trapped. It is a control tactic. It is abuse. This man, Ken Orel, is a severely wicked man. This church is abusive.
I urge anyone who is considering joining this church to think long and hard. Get both sides. Listen to what is said here and listen to personal experiences from being on the inside. Do in-depth research. What their website appears to teach is not what is happening on the inside. No organization or minister should be controlling families in this way. It is not up to them what we do with our own children.
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14 comments:
I very much doubt that RCG has many families with teenagers in.
What a dumb pretentious bully.
This kind of arrogance is part and parcel with the ministry across groups and stems from “having the truth” and “god is on our side” mentality.
I wish I left at 18.
Having people in your life who are your family is so important. There might be different beliefs but you’re there to support and love each other.
In the COG mind Love=God=Church. If you don’t love Church you don’t love God. You better do this or else is not a way to win anyone over to your side or belief system.
With all of Dave's doctrinal twists and turns, does RCG still teach the three resurrections? I would think that any parent who believes in the old ACOG doctrine of three resurrections would go in the exact opposite direction of Orel, and would insist that their children NOT be pressured into baptism unless they were likely to live up to that commitment, lest they end up in the third resurrection and Lake of Fire. In WCG, your disobedient teen could still have his chance during the White Throne Judgment, UNLESS he got baptized and then fell away. Has RCG changed that teaching?
The same practiced delivery of these men is presented but empty of empathy and meaning
For all the hype of fancy speaking stands, top of the range backdrops, fancy suits and ties ....biblical illiteracy abounds.
has been ripped out and cast off. Yet the scripture is clear. Those children are holy and the speaker on this post saying cast off their children is talking evil.
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband, otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
There is an ongoing trend that I've noticed in recent years amongst the various COG from the oddest of RCG and PCG to the mildest groups, a warped thinking towards marriage and families.
That only the Church leaders and elite should be married with children, that the members are so weak, stupid and godless they need to live alone with no husbands or wives and certainly no children. That marriage is an business deal only worthy if the church organisation benefits from any married couples and have played a key role in pairing couples together.
I Corinthians 7:14
1 Corinthians 7:14
I wish people would retain their first love for God's scripture and not the desires of humans who seek their own will.
Same ol' same ol! Conditional love really does not lend itself to any positive sense of self-worth or value. These are narcissistic parents who already are so into themselves and their religious rituals that they are in no way even considering their childrens' emotional needs, let alone making a concerted effort to meet them. Back in the 1960s, my WCG mother, who was basically angry at life, used to kick me out. The first time, I wandered around aimlessly collecting soda bottles to cash in so I'd have money for meager amounts of food. As I got older, I would canvass the area in which we lived to see if anyone needed gardening services, like me mowing their lawns or trimming their hedges. Word actually spread so that I had a fairly thriving business. People who had been perfect strangers liked me, had me babysitting for their kids, trusted me to drive their cars to take things to the dump, called me to shovel the snow from their driveway after blizzards so they could get to work, etc. It amazed me how nice and loving these people were, and it restored my faith in adults and helped me realize that there was something deeply wrong with my parents. When my parents discovered how I had used my time, they had me send tithes in to Pasadena, and they also had a new punishment to use. They also could see that I valued money, and added "fining" me to their arsenal of punishments.
The hypocrites actually called the police when one of my brothers ran away from home. Cops found him at the train station hoping to catch a train to the little town in which my "unconverted" relatives all lived. And, of course, instead of a display of love and modifying their own behavior, when the cops brought him home, they gave him a good hard spanking, and grounded him. The thing is, even though the church had us separating ourselves from relatives who were not in the church, they still loved us, and would have taken my brother in.
It is disturbing to realize that the badness has been amplified in these fanatical cults. It is not as if there have not been any exposes written about what can happen to runaway children, or those who have been discarded. Had I not been an entrepreneurial type myself, I shudder to think of what might have happened as a result of my God-appointed caretakers being so negligent and calloused.
The thing is, one of the overriding principles in Armstrongite churches is that if you do not go along with and embrace everything they teach you, you are expendible. And they encourage parents to apply this same principle to their children. They pervert the normal parent-child relationship, a relationship which would normally be natural, instinctive and innate. How could a church which does this be Christian in any sense of that word? Somehow, they manage to doublespeak it and to turn parents into monsters ten times worse than themselves!
BB
Dave Pack is ruthless. He has ice in his veins. There is not spirit flowing. He has always been that way. It's obvious.
Well as for marriage in the church elites our LCG leadership years ago had discussed the idea that only married men could be ministers. Get this, they said it was because married men as ministers with children would have developed compassion since they have wives and children. Well. I've never seen much compassion at all among the LCG leaders and their proxies. Winston Gosse for just one yucky example had given a sermon about how God's shepherds are to be gentle with the flock. Yet this same Winston fellow is bloodie handed and temperamental and violent behind the scenes, casting out both members and even others in the leadership who he cannot control. He's kind of like how Bing Crosby was like that. Just ask poor Mr. James Gin who is a very fine man and his equally fine wife Christine about the LCG leaders like Winston Gosse and others. Then again, Mr. Ginn is a noble man and so he might say nothing. Anyway So I asked the minister in our area about this up coming policy of ministers needing to be married, which i saw as just the other side of the same catholic coin. This minister of ours was eventually himself given the old LCG boot for being in an adulterous relationship with a woman who he considers as his new wife. third marriage for him. Anyway this minister told me that he had heard nothing about such a ministers married policy being discussed at the LCG ministers conference. And yet his colleagues
said that he was indeed there with them at that seminar and taking notes. so what gives? Just more of the same bafflegab from the lovless church of god?
Adding this crap to all the false prophecy, I'd say wait til the Germans get through with him. He'll learn!
they are pretty crafty so when Germans turn up they'll likely ask for a uniform as an aid to help continue preaching a gospel
would have been difficult and depressing times BB which in a sense one never gets over. Some scars always remain and all we can do is ask the Lord and Holy Spirit to guide our steps
That was many years ago, 5:25. And, it all worked out for me, because I realized that there are so many good sincere people outside of "the church". Plus, if I had not been raised in a repressive authoritarian environment, I may not have understood the value of being independent and always at risk, and probably would not have become a business owner. Obviously, it would have been preferable to have been raised in a nurturing environment, but we can only work with the cards we are dealt.
When I saw Ken Orel's comments, the first thing which came into my mind was, does he not know that there are predators out there just waiting for desperate kids who had to run away from home, or got kicked out? If your son or daughter are insistent on type of hairstyle they want, or musical tastes, or any number of things which kids rebel against, does a loving parent really want to put their kids on the street performing sex acts just for food and shelter? I was fortunate during my era, because predators and some of the other evils of modern society were not as prevalent as they are today. This RCG asshole is either very naive, or simply does not possess the normal human feelings 99% of the general public has for fellow humans. Who could possibly take him seriously as a spiritual guide??? Only the people whose minds have been warped by a toxic religious system! And it's not just the RCG with this group mentality. Several years ago, a PCG minister made our headlines here by advising leaving your disabled child at the mall if he or she was disruptive to your life and practice of ACOG doctrines.
BB
Are these loser ministers just free agents bouncing around from one splinter group from another whomever will pay them the most $$$? Maybe they should have to go work a job and get up at 4am and actually earn their paycheck.
I know of several ministers who ended up out of WCG for some years, and then they decided to go back to what they knew how to do, and they were again hired in groups like LCG. Look at this loud mouth bully Roary Nyas however you spell his name who was in Toronto WCG and ended up in B.c. years later. Rod King. There was a guy a former WCG minister named Terry who wandered around lost and out of sorts, so eventually he said to any church of God that would hire him that he would preach whatever they wanted him to say. As with many of the ministers in LCG, if you strip off their church persona they wear, then they are weak men. Gerald Weston for instance could never have gotten a job at all outside of the church if his life had depended on it. And what of the late Richard Ames. COGWA's view was that he went to Global Church of God and then to LCG because they gave him a job.
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