Bob Thiel has once again treated us to one of his signature historical performances. In a recent piece, the self-appointed prophet of the improperly named "Continuing" Church of God informs the world that the Roman Catholic Church did not “give” humanity the Bible, the Eastern Orthodox did not, and the Protestants certainly did not—because all of them formalized their canons too late. Therefore, he declares, only “the Church of God” maintained an unbroken chain of custody of the biblical books from the moment the Apostle John handed them to Polycarp of Smyrna. And, of course, Thiel’s own 21st-century splinter is the living continuation of that pure, continuous church.
This is not history. It is cult revisionism of the purest Armstrongist variety: invent a continuous, doctrinally pure lineage that somehow survived the centuries in secret, then place yourself at the end of the line so that your group alone possesses the true faith and the true Bible. The rest of Christianity is reduced to a late, corrupted afterthought.
Thiel’s opening move is a classic. He notes that the Catholic Church formally defined its canon at the Council of Trent in 1546 and that the Eastern Orthodox finalized theirs at the Synod of Jerusalem in 1672. From this he concludes that these churches could not have “given the world the Bible,” because God would never leave His true church without the written Word for centuries.
This is a deliberate misrepresentation of how canons actually form. The books of the New Testament were written in the first century and circulated among Christian communities long before any council. By the late second century the core of the New Testament was already widely recognized and quoted as Scripture by writers across the Mediterranean world. The Muratorian Fragment (late second century), Origen, Eusebius, and Athanasius’s 39th Festal Letter of 367 all show a New Testament list that is essentially the one we have today. The formal conciliar decisions of the fourth through seventeenth centuries were not the moment the books suddenly became Scripture; they were the moment the churches officially closed the list against remaining disputes and, later, against Protestant challenges.
Trent did not invent the New Testament. It reaffirmed a long-settled collection while defending the deuterocanonical books against the Reformers. The Eastern churches followed a similar path. To pretend that Christians somehow lived for fifteen centuries without a recognized New Testament is simply false. The books were copied, read, preached, and treated as authoritative long before any council stamped them with finality.
Thiel next observes that the Protestant churches came out of the Roman Catholic Church and therefore could not have preserved the Bible either. True enough as a statement of historical sequence, and completely irrelevant. The Protestant Reformers inherited the same New Testament that the late medieval Western church had been reading for centuries. They rejected certain Old Testament books; they did not invent a new New Testament. The claim that only a hidden “Church of God” could have kept the books pure is an assertion without evidence, not an argument.
Here is where the revisionism becomes truly cartoonish. Thiel asserts that “from the beginning the Church of God did and has maintained the chain of custody since the Apostle John handed down the books and the knowledge of the canon to Polycarp of Smyrna, who passed this on to others.”
Polycarp of Smyrna was a real historical figure, a disciple of John, and a martyr. His surviving letter to the Philippians shows a man who treated the writings of Paul and other apostolic material as authoritative. What it does not show is a second-century Armstrongist. There is no British Israelism, no insistence on the full package of Holy Days as binding on Gentile Christians, no rejection of the emerging catholic structure of the church, no claim that only a tiny remnant kept the pure faith while the rest of Christianity apostatized. Polycarp was part of the network of churches that would become the mainstream catholic tradition of Asia Minor. The Quartodeciman controversy over the date of Passover is real history; the leap from that local practice to “the Church of God has always kept the pure canon and pure doctrine” is pure invention.
Armstrongist historiography has long specialized in stitching together a secret succession of true believers—Polycarp to the Paulicians to the Waldenses to the Anabaptists to Herbert Armstrong—while ignoring the actual beliefs of those groups. Most of the medieval groups claimed as ancestors were not Sabbath-keepers in the Armstrongist sense, did not teach British Israelism, and did not hold the distinctive package of doctrines Thiel now presents as the historic faith. The “continuous chain of custody” is a theological necessity for the cult narrative, not a documented historical reality.
The purpose of the claim is not scholarly. It is institutional. If only “the Church of God” preserved the Bible and the true understanding of it from the beginning, then every other Christian body is illegitimate. Authority, doctrine, and ultimately loyalty and financial support flow to the one group that claims the unbroken line. In Thiel’s hands that group is the Continuing Church of God. The same pattern appears in every Armstrongist splinter: invent the pure remnant, place yourself inside it, and declare everyone else compromised.
The actual history is far less convenient. The New Testament books were written, copied, and circulated by ordinary Christian communities across the Roman world. Consensus about the core collection emerged gradually through use, quotation, and debate. Later councils formalized what had already become the working canon. No secret Sabbath-keeping hierarchy was required to keep the texts from vanishing. Manuscript evidence, patristic citations, and the simple fact that we possess the books today all point to widespread transmission, not to a hidden elite.
Bob Thiel’s article is not an exercise in careful historical reasoning. It is an exercise in identity construction. By rewriting the story of the canon so that only “the Church of God” could have preserved it, he positions his own tiny organization as the sole legitimate heir of the apostles. The Catholic Church is dismissed for formalizing the canon “too late.” The Orthodox are dismissed for the same reason. The Protestants are dismissed for being born too late. Polycarp is recruited as an unwitting dupe in the soon coming Armstrongist empire. And the actual, messy, well-documented process by which the churches of the second through fourth centuries recognized the books they already treated as Scripture is simply ignored.
This is cult revisionism. It is the same move Herbert Armstrong made, the same move every successive self-appointed prophet in Armstrongism has made: claim the exclusive historical franchise so that dissent becomes apostasy and your authority becomes self-evident. The Bible does not need Bob Thiel’s imaginary chain of custody. It survived because real Christian communities, imperfect and diverse, copied it, read it, and handed it on. That is the actual history. Everything else is theater.
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These people just eat for making up such horrible lies as a tool to deceive the naive! But, when you ruin your character by continuing to teach British Israelism when there are an abundance of overwhelming proofs against it, including conclusive genetic proof, is it really that much different from indulging in pseudo history based on, "Oh, this is the way it had to have happened considering what Mr. Armstrong taught us!" instead of basing it on the real history that the entire world already has, and has had since the very beginning? And these are the people who accuse evolutionists of playing fast and loose using the same speculative methodology! If I didn't know so much about vitamins, and if they had not been such a factor in my forever young existence, I would tend to doubt their efficacy just based on the fact that Bob Thiel handles them!
Oh well! At least Bob's work is not growing, because God allows Satan to attack it so frequently! We really don't have to worry about him doing the sort of broad based damage that HWA did. He has got a glass ceiling of his own making and does not even realize it. And then a backup glass ceiling just in case. As Elvis Costello once said, "You know I used to he disgusted, but now I'm just amused!"
The prefix poly- means "many" or "very". A carp is a species of fish. And Bob's specious misuse of Polycarp is indeed very fishy, to say the least!
Armstrongism distorts history whether dealing with early church figures like Polycarp or with European history involving the Celts, Saxons, and other ancient peoples. In both cases, the revisionist movement reshapes complex historical realities into a theological storyline that never existed. Its narratives are constructed backwards from the need to defend British Israelism and the “one true church” claim, rather than forwards from evidence. Polycarp himself never claimed to be the sole remnant church; he travelled to Rome, worshipped with Bishop Anicetus, and remained in full communion despite their disagreement over the Quartodeciman date, a fact that directly contradicts Armstrong’s attempt to portray him as the leader of a persecuted, isolated minority. The result is a myth‑making system designed to sell BI and sustain Armstrong’s false succession narrative, not to reflect documented history. In other words false.
Polycarp himself never claimed to be the sole remnant church; he travelled to Rome, worshipped with Bishop Anicetus, and remained in full communion despite their disagreement over the Quartodeciman date
This just goes to show how deeply ingrained the HWA attitude of rebellious non-cooperation has become in the ACOGs. People like Bob Thiel simply cannot comprehend that Polycarp could have a deep disagreement with a fellow pastor but not choose to break away and start his own sect.
You people don't know the full history. These were major doctrinal disagreements involving the bishop of Rome and the bishop of Smyrna. Paul said wolves would come in. How do you think the Catholic church grew into dominance? How do you think the Protestants came out of Catholicism? Did they just disagree and choose not to break away? Now, Islam is the thorn in your side. These things happen (just like the WCG demolition) because of doctrine. Doctrine is important. Just look at the letters to the churches of Asia (where Rome is not included). If we don't keep the NT Passover together (on Nisan 14), there is no unity with those who keep Good Friday/Easter. You can say that you worship Christ but if you break His commandments that disqualifies you. Christ said He came not to bring peace but a sword.
If we don't keep the NT Passover together (on Nisan 14), there is no unity with those who keep Good Friday/Easter.
In the last 200 years, look at how much disunity and outright division there has been among those who keep the NT Passover.
Jesus never commanded a date for the Lord’s Supper, and Paul explicitly treats it as a memorial meal done “whenever,” not a Nisan‑14 ritual tied to the Jewish calendar.
Sure He did, 5:17. In 1 Cor 11, Paul "received it" from the Lord. Received what? That just as He and the disciples took bread on that "same night", they should continue to do the same.
Memorial meal? Memorials are kept on days that commemorate that event that you observe.
A memorial done "whenever"? Sounds bush league to me if you don't want to do it on the occasion that it occurred. Why don't you just pick any day on the calendar to commemorate your anniversaries and birthdays and try to convince your loved ones? And why does the Catholic church keep Holy Wednesday (which WAS on Nisan 14) to remember the betrayal if the betrayal didn't occur on that day and specific dates are not important?
But you want to go with the reigning alternative counterfeit theory, whose reign is coming to an end.
When the Romans come after someone's head, that's plenty of motivation to forsake Jewish things (as the apostates did), even though the church grew out of this culture. Not to fear. They will have the last laugh, as per Rev 20:4.
I repeatedly find this blog commentators ignore scripture.
Jesus himself said 'Do this in rememberance of me', the Apostle Paul's condemnation of how the Lord's rememberance Passover was being wrongly conducted is also in scripture.
In addition to Christians, we also have atheists and agnostics here. Not only do they not use scriptures in their argumentation and comments, it may also surprise you that they don't read long comments filled with Bible verses. Herbie is partially responsible for their aversion to machine-gunned scriptures because he created proof texts to back people into corners.
Not surprised. Of course it's all Herbert's fault. Maybe tell "John" that.
A key thing to remember about your reference to Rome is that the Roman Church mentioned in the book of the same name never fell. Remember, the “true church” cannot fall. What you see there today is the Simon Magus false organization. The TRUE Church never had such internal problems.
LOL Just had to get that dig in on their pseudohistory.
Oh, I think "Time Will Tell" John most certainly has his differences with Herbie and the HWAcaca, just like the rest of us.
"Cult revisionism" Great definition!
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