Dave Pack, God's most superfantabulous COG leader ever to life such a pure unadulterated life is laying down the law on what members should not be doing.
The splinters are allowing in more and more of the world’s ways—and not gradually! Here is a list of just some of the wrong ideas now so prevalent in these groups—wrong government—altered definitions of what is the true Church and Body of Christ—birthday-keeping—wearing of makeup—mixing the Person of Christ with the gospel of the kingdom—believers marrying unbelievers and other improper marriages—de-emphasis of Christ’s broken body for healing—voting—compromising or even dismissing some of God’s tithing laws—laxity regarding Sabbath dress—improper hair length for both men and women—tattoos and piercings (men and women)—lax or non-existent childrearing—parading themselves individually to the world on Facebook and other social media—women ruling over men, and children ruling families—never mind immorality, overdrinking and rotten music—there is no literal Place of Safety because God will “protect us right there in the world that we are so a part of and don’t want to give up”—among so many others that could be included. This is what happens when an “open door” policy is administered, saying, “Come on in and join us, world.” Throughout the splinters today, a great many doctrines and traditions of the Church (II Thes. 2:15; 3:6) have been ignored or tossed aside like old shoes. Besides all of the above thinking, a host of other—new and bizarre!— false teachings (often about prophecy) have also appeared throughout all of these organizations.
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Here is the rap sheet on Mr. Perfect's off spring, a convicted cocain dealer, criminal assault, wreckless driver, weapons at school, etc. Those who live in glass houses... (is that in the bible?)
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Criminal Record
Randall David Pack (39)
State: NC I Date of Birth: 07/20/1972
• Male
Sex
• WHITE
Race
• NIA
Height
• NIA
Weight
Court Record ID: 01400GUILFORD 1994CRS073289
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: SUPERSEDING PROCESS OR SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT
Court Disposition Date: 01/23/1995
Source Name: Individual Nc Courts
Source State: NC
0ffense Code: 14-269.2
Offense: Arrai ed:weapons on educ prop/aid (f)
Criminal Record
Randall David Pack (39)
State: NC I Date ofBirth: 07/20/1972
• Male
Sex
• WHITE
Court Record ID: 01400GUILFORD 1994CR 042165
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Verdict:GUIL TY- JUDGE (Trial by judge or guilty plea before judge at district
court level, guilty
Court Disposition Date: 07 /ri Jm>4
Source Name: Individual Nc Courts
Source State: NC
Charge Category:
Source: Ncaoc
Offense Date: 04/2911994
Offense Code: 20-140(A)
Offense:(Gomict+reckless drvg-wanton disregard
Criminal Record
Randall D Pack (39)
State: NC I Date ofBirth: 07/20/1972
• Male
Sex
• WHITE
Race
• N/A
Height
• NIA
Weight
Court Record ID: 01400GUILFORD 1994CR 080432
Arresting Agency:
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Court Disposition: Verdict: GUlL TY- JUDGE (Trial by judge or guilty plea before judge at district
court level, guilty
Court Disposition Date: 02/14/1995
Source Name: Individual Nc Courts
Source State: NC
Charge Category:
Source: Ncaoc
Offense Date: FQ7-3-07f994'
Offense Code: 14-159.13
Criminal Record
State: NC I Date ofBirth: @'iil.Gkl:-972
• Male
Sex
• WHITE
Race
• N/A
Height
• NIA
Weight
Court Record ID: 01400GUILFORD 1996CRS026163
Arresting Agency:
Page 1 of 1
Court Disposition: Verdict: GUlL TY- JUDGE (Trial by judge or guilty plea before judge at district
court level, guilty
Court Disposition Date: 111 l:r97Y99o
Source Name: Individual Ne 6 ourts
Source State: NC
Offense Date: 01126 9-96~
Offense Code: 90-95(A)(1)
Offense: reonvtct:pwimsd eoeain.e=
Criminal Record
Randall David Pack (39)
State: NC I Date ofBirth: 07/20/1972
• Male
Sex
• WHITE
Race
• NIA
Height
Court Record ID: 01400GUILFORD 1996CR 026165
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: DISMISSAL WITHOUT LEAVE BY DA
Court Disposition Date: 04/09/1997
Source Name: Individual Nc Courts
Source State: NC
Charge Category:
Offense Date: c01/z&f1 996-
0ffense Code: 90-113.22
Offense: Arraigned:p_oss_ess drug paraphernalia .
Criminal Record
Randall David Pack (39)
State: NC I Date of Birth: 07/20/1972
• Male
Sex
• WHITE
Race
• N/A
Height
• NIA
Weight
Court Record ID: 0 1780ROCKINGHAM 2003CR 004516
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: DISMISSAL WITHOUT LEAVE BY DA
Court Disposition Date: 09/04/2003
Source Name: Individual Nc Courts
Source State: NC
Charge Category:
Source: Ncaoc
Offense Date: 077-'I l'zO~,.,.,, •.
Offense Code: 20-7(A)
Randall David Pack (39)
State: NC I Date ofBirth: 07/20/1972
• Male
Sex
• WHITE
Race
• N/A
Height
• N/A
Weight
Court Record ID: 01330FORSYTH 2006CR 052127
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: DISMISSAL WITHOUT LEAVE BY DA
Court Disposition Date: 05/0112006
Source Name: Individual Nc Courts
Source State: NC
Charge Category:
Source: Ncaoc
Offense Date: OJB OI:2 00G~
Offense Code: 14-33(A)
Offense: ~rraigned·s· .ple assault
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Do Not Judge
1Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why behold you the mote that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? …
Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
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Luke 6:41 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
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John 8:7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stoneat her."
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Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
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Romans 14:10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
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Romans 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
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1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
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James 4:11 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
David C. Pack married Vernia Peace nine months after Shirley died. Vernia is the woman Pack paid to stay in the house and take care of Shirley with an expired LPN license. Pack started to work out before Shirley's death even enjoying private racketball games with this "nurse" as his children sat with Shirley. The RCG paid for Vernia to do so. I believe she is 43 years old. --[name withheld]
Comment: The Authorized Biography of David C. Pack, Volume 2, said: "Mrs. Vernia Pack (pronounced (Vûr-nuh) was reared in a large family in the countryside of northern Illinois. In later years she lived in Texas..." However, these words were later deleted from Pack's recent autobiography online and a cached copy in the search engines is no longer available. Read 2007 letter about Shirley Pack's death.
Dave wears tight shorts so that people can see his package (pee pee and scrotum filled with tiny little balls). He must be exempt from the dress code thing.
Dave says that Jesus kept his hair cut and clean, and he didn't have a beard. That justifies his cutting his facial hair (even though the bible says men should not). Dave will say anything and he skillfully picks verses that support his BS at any point in time.
Leviticus 19:27 ESV / 23 helpful votes
You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
2 Samuel 10:5 ESV / 10 helpful votes
When it was told David, he sent to meet them, for the men were greatly ashamed. And the king said, “Remain at Jericho until your beards have grown and then return.”
1 Corinthians 11:1-34 ESV / 6 helpful votes
Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. ...
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 ESV / 6 helpful votes
“When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive, and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. But if you no longer delight in her, you shall let her go where she wants. But you shall not sell her for money, nor shall you treat her as a slave, since you have humiliated her.
1 Chronicles 19:4-5 ESV / 5 helpful votes
So Hanun took David's servants and shaved them and cut off their garments in the middle, at their hips, and sent them away; and they departed. When David was told concerning the men, he sent messengers to meet them, for the men were greatly ashamed. And the king said, “Remain at Jericho until your beards have grown and then return.”
1 Corinthians 11:14 ESV / 4 helpful votes
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,
Isaiah 15:2 ESV / 4 helpful votes
He has gone up to the temple, and to Dibon, to the high places to weep; over Nebo and over Medeba Moab wails. On every head is baldness; every beard is shorn;
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1 Corinthians 11:6 ESV / 2 helpful votes
For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.
Jeremiah 49:32 ESV / 1 helpful vote
Their camels shall become plunder, their herds of livestock a spoil. I will scatter to every wind those who cut the corners of their hair, and I will bring their calamity from every side of them, declares the Lord.
Psalm 133:2 ESV / 1 helpful vote
It is like the precious oil on the head, running down on the beard, on the beard of Aaron, running down on the collar of his robes!
I love the way he casually slips in there, "parading themselves individually to the world on Facebook and other social media."
It's reminiscent of Victor Hugo's line, "The book will kill the edifice." The printing press would kill the Catholic Church -- specifically, by undermining the widespread influence of architecture, which was one principal way that ideas were communicated to the masses.
In modern times, HWA lauded that same printing press as having been inspired by God so that the church could spread the gospel.
Pack's taken it a step further by boasting of how the internet is used by him for that same purpose.
But individuals? Shut the hell up.
Hahaha, looks like the Facebook will kill the edifice, this time.
I would much rather go out and have a beer with Gerald Flurry than with this Dave Pack asshole.
Vile? Rotten?
Oh, you mean being proud, a narcissist, arrogant, rebellious, the very picture of II Timothy 3?
Fortunately, many are following Scripture (even if inadvertently) and turning away.
There's nothing like a good contest of egos among the ACoG leadership -- it's like watching pro wrestling on TV. They should all get together in a ring somewhere for us to see who's going to end up on the ropes first... Madison Square Garden, perhaps?
Here is the rap sheet on Mr. Perfect's off spring
A real triumph of turning the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers. I would suppose that this is a case of the children eating sour grapes and putting the father's teeth on edge (a take off of insanity is inherited... from your children).
It would seem that anyone tempted to follow Davey Pack needs to realize that in order to do so, they must abandon their family and give their all to their cult leader. This will result in creating offspring that are not just rebellious but totally narcissistic and in some cases criminals and psychopaths. Just remember, neglect is simply another form of abuse.
To which we say, congratulations for changing the world to evil -- it's just the sort of thing we've come to expect from the sociopaths and psychopaths leading the Cult of Herbert Armstrong.
This is indeed the case, "By their fruit ye shall know them".
I'd say it wasn't worth the effort to get to know them at all.
Package is also missing the point by trying to appeal to people by hearkening back to a conservative, oppressive list of "beliefs."
The future of the church lies with young people; always has. Historically, the WCG did a terrible job of retaining its youth, despite things like AC, Imperial, SEP and YOU. This trend continues in many of the splinters.
Looking back with his "remember when" lists is about as short-sighted and counter-productive as he can possibly be. Any bump in membership he gets from his boastings will be short-lived, because the young people will be running for the hills.
BRETHREN, IT IS THE END OF CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT!
People posting pictures of their grandkids and cats on FACEBOOK! ...,
Women wearing lipstick and some makeup to coverup some age spots and hickeys.
Celebrating little Johnnys birthday with a cake and a new baseball glove.
How can society or the church go on in such a decrepit, and depraved manner????
Joe Moeller
Cody , WY
A song for anyone new attending Dave Pack's church...
Sing along to the tune of "Mama Told Me Not To Come" by Three Dog Night, 1970
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkM7uWBjUrI
Want some cream in your coffee...
Sugar in your tea
What's all these crazy questions they askin' me
This is the craziest church there could ever be
Don't turn up the truth, that they don't want to see
Mama told me not to come
Mama told me not to come
That ain't the way to have church, no
Open up the window
Let some air into this room
I think I'm almost chokin'
From the smell of Pack's perfume
And that doctrine he's a preaching
'Bout scared me half to death
Open up the window, sucker
Let me catch my breath
[Refrain]
Mama told me not to come
Mama told me not to come
She said, that ain't the way to have church son
That ain't the way to have fun, son
The Packman he's a blastin'
Its BULLCRAP knocking at the door
I'm lookin' at my children
They're passed out on the floor
I heard so many things
I ain't never heard before
Don't know what it is
I don't wanna hear no more
[Refrain]
That ain't the way to have church, no
That ain't the way to have fun, son
That ain't the way to have church, no
That ain't the way to have fun, son
Mama told me not to come
Mama told me not to come
That ain't the way to have church, no
Joe Moeller
Cody, WY
Please read a passage in CONTEXT. The admonition "to not judge" is referring to judging hypocritically. A hypocrite should not judge someone for the same sin they practice. My word, Jesus, Paul and others in the NT made critical judgments concerning the behavior of others. Just read I Cor.
The COGs spend so much time "majoring in the minors". Makeup, birthdays, etc. But like the Pharisees, they ignore the better issues, kindness, peace, love, etc. Perhaps this is because these are some of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, which they seem to either inhibit in their lives or are without HIS influence in their behavior.
Pack was consorting with a Non-COG woman who he brought into his own house, as his wife died. He later marries the woman in a remarkably short period of time.
Yet he rags about dating outside the church. What a hypocrite!
I feel a bit pained about the arrest record posted above. However, Pack is ragging on "child rearing" to the entire church, and their "laxity". I have three great kids who are productive and without criminal records, who have all attended the FOT and church as adults, and I was light years more "lax" than Pack.
As far as Sabbath dress is concerned, Pack is right. Im going to come to church today dressed just like Jesus and the Apostles did... Im going to wear a robe and sandals. Its about time we got back to New Testament basics !
Joe Moeller
Cody, WY
Pack's views which he expresses through his edicts are very disturbing. Most of these things which he has come out against, there is nothing scripturally wrong with. So far as his concepts of Jesus and the gospel go, don't look now, but it appears that he has positioned himself as anti-Christ!
I'd like to take this opportunity to address any of Pack's (or for that matter Flurry's) people who risk their church membership by visiting with us here:
Hi friends,
Best wishes for a wonderful Memorial Day weekend! This would be a very good time to get out and experience some of God's blessings which the legalist gatekeepers are wrongly forbidding and in so doing, killing the joy and blessings that all Christians should be experiencing as part of the abundant life and freedom in Jesus Christ. Know the moneys you've been saving, earmarking them for one of these pseudo-apostles' building fund? Go to your dresser drawer right now, get them, and go to Costco and buy your family some nice steaks! Get on Facebook to share with your friends and families, you know, the ones "they" have branded as being dead or Laodecean? Invite them over for a wonderful steak dinner!
Got teenagers? Vin Diesel's excellent new chapter of the Fast and the Furious hit the theaters last week! Take your kids to see it! It will be an awesome bonding opportunity, I promise!
Note: I'm not encouraging anyone to sin, because we're not advocating breaking any Biblical laws here! Jesus' harshest words were directed to the legalist Pharisees who made following God into a horribly repressive and totally depressing experience. Your "minister" has absolutely no God-ordained right to be micro managing you in ways that would falsely cause hatred for God. On judgment day, I can't imagine God rewarding him for that, especially since physical parents are instructed in the Bible not to provoke their sons to anger!
Pray for proper perspective throughout the weekend. Being a believer in and follower of Jesus Christ does not mean that you must descend into a hellish Pack-a-vellian nightmare!
BB
I briefly dated Vernia before I was terminated from RCG HQ. I find it amazing that she agrees with all of his BS. But then again, as long as she just dutifully nods her head and plays the part, she's got it made, so better not to question anything.
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