There is one thing all of the splintered personality cult leaders are good at and that is manipulating members and co-workers into giveing them their hard-earned money.
This is from an RCG source:
The latest trick from the RCG to get their hands on the money.
A few weeks ago every member in the United Kingdom/Great Britain congregation was told they need to bring ‘A pound a day’ to Sabbath services now every week.
These 7 pounds a week/365 pounds a year payment comes ON TOP of the tithing.
Brethren that complained (or said that they simply could not afford to pay so much money), were told that they are a ‘not true Christians’and that they should repent! And the ministers have advised the members that don’t have the money to take out a small loan or to sell their belongings. The latter because Christ will come ANY MINUTE NOW and there’s no need for worldly goods anymore anyway.
People are being put under ever more pressure to give all their money and belongings to the church (aka the Wolf Pack)(My comment: UK members already are taxed at a far higher rate than US members are and this surely creates a further financial strain on members. The sick idea that people are to take out loans to give to this jerk is appaling. While he lives a life of privilege and luxury, the little people suffer. Great will be the day when all of these sick pigs no longer exist.)
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Weird situation.
I do not understand why any Christian would even want to be in RCG.
SING ALONG TIME! - Sing to the theme song from "Petticoat Junction" television show from the 1960s (see link)
https://youtu.be/XRhi8Tk9nNE
Come join the little cult
That is coming off the tracks
Called DYSFUNCTION!
There is a kook upstairs
It aint time to relax
With DYSFUNCTION!
He is on your nerves, ...you bet!
Even more, when you get
To the DYSFUNCTION!
Pack's Dysfunction!
There's a little H-Q
Its an awful mess
With Dysfunction
Pack's Dysfunction!
It is run by a KOOK
Come and get a test
with Dysfunction
Pack's Dysfunction!
And there's Pastor Pack
He's a money grabbing hack
With Dysfunction!
Pack's Dysfunction!
This reminds me of kindergarten, where we brought a quarter every week for the outing.
Nck
Yes, Dave Pack is awful. However, there comes a point at which individuals are accountable for their actions. Christ states plainly, "My sheep hear My voice." If you read the Bible and find it compatible with Dave Pack's message, if your understanding of God allows you to hear Dave Pack as your shepherd, then you have pretty much blasphemed the Holy Spirit and will have deservedly earned your sad fate.
“Dave Pack Sinks To New Greedy Low With UK Members”
A person cannot sink much lower than being possessed by Satan and his Demons, like klepto-Dave Pack-of-lies obviously is.
Anon 1:20 is correct. Christians must learn to know Jesus Christ and his way and know his voice. Any situation that seems out of kilter is counterfeit.
Those who are called need to be able to discern the real McCoy to then see counterfeit. You cannot do it the other way around. Know Jesus Christ first because
we are living in perilous times.
“Great will be the day when all of these sick pigs no longer exist.”
These sick pigs? Stop sugar coating it. You mean these demon-possessed pigs.
Klepto-Dave Pack-of-lies is an excellent example of what a wolf in sheep's clothing looks like, and lies like, and steals like. Extremely bad character. They do not come much worse.
1:20pm has a point, people are responsible for their own actions, and no-one held a gun to anyone's head and forced them into Pack's cult or any other part of the cult that is Christianity. However, as a former dupe, I recognize that 'buy-in' to the group happens at a very low level of alarm, perhaps one meets a friendly church member and is in need of companionship and acceptance, or maybe the cult has answers to their deepest questions and fears (wrong as those answers always are). But once the mental manipulation and brain washing begins, the responsibility for the actions must be fully, if not primarily, shared with the "sick pig" leaders.
GrittyMan, one big difference between RCG buy-in and ordinary group affiliation is that RCG members are buying in to the idea that God is using them above all other human beings as "firstfruits." RCG members are paying Pack to convince him, and to convince themselves, that they are more special than the other 7.7 billion people on the earth.
Pack can only manipulate people who don't believe in the Biblical teachings of Jesus Christ. Once you put your faith in David Christ instead of Jesus Christ you are under his control, but it is your Christian responsibility not to put David in the position of Jesus.
David Pack's teachings have undergone MAJOR changes over the years since he started his RCG cult in May 1999. People originally joined the RCG thinking that they were faithfully holding onto Herbert W. Armstrong's teachings from the time of his death in January 1986. Then they quickly forgot all about everything that HWA had taught and started to worship Dave Pack and whatever he made up next. Dave Pack started off talking about precision of doctrine. Now Dave Puke just vomits uncontrollably all over his followers, and they lap it up.
I'm shocked that he hasn't got all of his church members selling their plasma, and giving him the money!
BB
The under the table agreement that Dave has with his members is that if they give him all their money, he will use his influence with God to allow them into the kingdom. That is, he is selling salvation, just like the Catholic Church sold indulgences.
So Dave is being consistent in asking for more and more of his members money.
6.33 PM
ACOGs members have learnt over the years to wear their Sabbath masks and hide their disagreements from the church. So his followers lapping up his nonsense is questionable. I wouldn't mind hearing from an attending member on this point. For instance, have they learnt to filter out his gibberish, reasoning that no one is perfect?
Dave always struck me as the Simon Magus type....
"And the ministers have advised the members that don’t have the money to take out a small loan or to sell their belongings. The latter because Christ will come ANY MINUTE NOW and there’s no need for worldly goods anymore anyway. ..."
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I guess Y O U RCG Ministers don't need worldly Goods then? Right?
Have you ever read the story of Eli's Sons I Samuel 2?
You think you aren't going answer for this?
8:56 said: The under the table agreement that Dave has with his members is that if they give him all their money, he will use his influence with God to allow them into the kingdom. That is, he is selling salvation, just like the Catholic Church sold indulgences.
So Dave is being consistent in asking for more and more of his members money.
Yes he point blank said in a sermon that you have to "pay to play" and that "why would it be any different in God's Church than it is in the world". He then went on to say giving all that you have is "paying Christ's price" for entrance into the Kingdom.
What is incredible, is that 2 1/2 years ago he gave such a stirring Feast sermon about the very soon appearance of the Son of Man that the widows were running up to the ministers wondering if they should clean out their bank accounts right then and now. Dave Pack's response was that he hoped it wasn't too late and they should of done it sooner.
So what should have happened two years ago and should have happened last year most certainly has to happen these Spring. And it is not anymore just your accumulated wealth that you have to pay, which already has been paid, it is your daily living wealth that you have to pay ....... to play in the RCG.
Why not just bring a pound of manure each week. A pound's a pound.
Leper Messiah
"Spineless from the start
Sucked into the part
Circus comes to town
You play the lead clown
Please, please, spreading his disease
Living by his story
Knees, knees, falling to your knees
Suffer for his glory
You will
Time for lust, time for lie
Time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green, heaven you will meet
Make a contribution and you'll get a better seat
Bow to Leper Messiah
Marvel at his tricks
Need your Sunday fix
Blind devotion came
Rotting your brain
Chain, chain, join the endless chain
Taken by his glamour
Fame, fame, infection is the game
Stinking drunk with power
We see
Time for lust, time for lie
Time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green, heaven you will meet
Make a contribution and you'll get the better seat
Bow to Leper Messiah
Witchery, weakening
Sees the sheep are gathering
Set the trap, hypnotize
Now you follow
Time for lust, time for lie
Time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green, heaven you will meet
Make a contribution and you'll get the better seat
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie"
Metallica, 1986
This sounds desperate. RCG is pretty much on track to end with an insurance-fraud arson inside the gated compound, isn't it?
How about giving the members a "pound," and see if they can produce more pounds?
I've heard of mainstream U.S. churches that did this. And it's every bit as Biblical.
Why does he get away with promoting fraud and extortion? Promoting fraud when he tells people to take out a loan to pay him when he is also telling them that since Christ is coming any day now and so they will not have to pay it back. Extortion, who does he think he is telling people that they cant have salvation unless they pay him.
Some of the most outrageous lying and stealing around is supposedly technically legal when done in the name of religion. However, it still is necessary to share some of the ill-gotten gain with “good” accountants” and “good” lawyers (LOL) to make it all technically legal.
The selfish False Witness Ronald Weinland learned this the hard way by spending 3.5 years in jail.
Unfortunately, Satan probably put Dave Pack in touch with one of his own “good” lawyers (LOL) to help him get away with what he is doing.
Never believe any of Dave Pack's endless chronic lying. You most likely will be around to have to face your debts. Your debts will not go away. Only Dave Pack will go away and abandon you once your usefulness to him is over.
I'm kinda surprised Dave can get away with such silliness in the UK....they've have laws concerning religion that would never be tolerated here in the good ole US of A....
I'd random guess he has barely a dozen UK brethren.
To Anonymous 4:48 AM:
You made a much more profound statement than you know. Sorcery involves connection to evil spirits...
And Dave has been known to be with/connected to/influenced by evil spirits.
The suicides in Dave's New York church areas are suspicious to say the least
Anonymous at 4:48 AM said...“Dave always struck me as the Simon Magus type....”
Dave “Simon Magus” Pack: Bewitching the people.
Anon 9:02
I think much occultic connections are going on within the COG movement than anyone cares to acknowledge.
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