Here we are heading into Saturday evening of February 6th, 2021, the new date that Dave Pack said that Jesus Christ was returning as an absolute fact. This was an established certainty made by Dave in sermon 285 last week and was such a certainty that Dave said there was nothing further to preach on the subject. We all knew then that nothing would happen and Dave would be exposed, yet again, as a liar.
That brings us to Bradford Schleifer, Dave's #1 right-hand man. For many years he has been covering up for Dave's epic failures and defending Dave to the members of the RCG. No matter how many lies Dave told, Schleifer stood up for him, all the while knowing that Dave is a false prophet.
Since the Restored Church of God takes all scripture as literal it is surprising that he refuses to follow this scripture:
"If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared." Deuteronomy 18:22
Schleifer now knows for a fact that Dave is a false prophet. There is no doubt and no question to that fact. So why does he support Dave? As one person noted earlier in a post here about Schleifer, he knows he is ignoring a clear statement of fact from scripture, AND he is encouraging others to do the same.
"Jesus said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to stumble." Luke 17:1-2
Schleifer still wants to present himself as Dave's most loyal ally and yet he may end up being the one who will feel the brunt of Dave's madness when he finally cracks and lashes out at him. Deep down in Schleifer's soul he has to know that Dave is mad when he sits in meetings with the other 14 ministers as they all listen to Dave's latest vision or excuse.
In the previous post mentioned above, this comment was made:
Actually, when Pack finally cracks, his most vicious attacks, maybe even violent, will be against those closest to him who have been his primary narcissistic sources but are no longer able to comply as his grip on reality becomes weaker and weaker. Lesser men in the Pack hierarchy may be able to recover from Dave's inevitable eventual fall, but the odds are great that Brad Schleifer will go down with the Pack ship, whether his ruin is emotional, fiscal, or involves life itself.
As Dave's righthand man. Schleifer is also one of Dave's enforcers. He backs up the church ministers who actively work to con widows and members out of as much money as they can. Schleifer knows how much the widows and older members struggle to meet Dave's financial demands, with many of them giving all of their savings and retirements to Dave thanks to All Things Common doctrine. This is the same money that lets Schleifer live in a beautiful home, have a nice car, and live a life without wants or needs.
In the position Schleifer holds, he covers up for abusive ministers under him just like he covers for Dave:
You are a despicable human being Bradford. You KNOW what Pack is doing. How he talks the RCG members out of money and out of their homes. How he destroys families. You KNOW how Pack is holding them hostage with fear about the lake of fire.
And yet you do nothing to help them. Instead, you facilitate David Pack. You kneel before him, instead of before God.
Can you look at yourself in the mirror? Can you live with yourself Bradford, knowing that you are willingly destroying people’s lives? Do you know what God will do with people like you in the end?
Schleifer has made it quite apparent he does not care. Loyalty to Dave is more important. The suffering of members is not a priority.
What kind of man are you?
Do you really want your legacy to be tied to a man who has lost his way and continues to build an ever-changing, never-ending prophecy out of his own delusions????
You have been there too long to think you are not part of the campaign to make merchandise of the brethren!!!
How can you look in the mirror and not see what kind of man you have become under Pack???
PS To Bradford:
If you care to respond to this I will post your response as to why you still support Dave...without any commentary added.
21 comments:
The man could give two shits about> "Jesus said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to stumble." Luke 17:1-2 <
because he's an atheist. He don't believe the shit he teaches.
"I want to make a statement about...me...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me.
I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren?
Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."
David C Pack
December 12, 1998
On this comment I wholeheartedly agree with you Painful truth. Atheists are multiplied within the Churches of God. No one is brave enough to admit it.
Even when I attended services in the 1980s, it was obvious that many members and even ministers had stopped trying to live by the ten commandments. They came to services for it's social benefits and for family reasons. I call the "white flag Christians" since they have surrended to the enemy.
It was obvious that many members and even ministers had stopped living by the ten commandments ...
I call phooey on that comment Anon 8:40 PM.
Why? Because when do genuine believer's talk with such pompousness. Trying to move emphasis away from the rampant athiesim amongst the ministry.
Thanks for the comment though.
Bradford, together with that other weasel Ken Orel are lying cheating monsters, protecting a minister that is harassing women!
replace Scleifer's name with any PCG ministers, or any COG minister for that matter, and you'd get the same.
@10:45 PM, where do you get the idea that Anon 8:40 PM is a genuine believer? He's probably someone like me, an agnostic with family in the Armstrong churches. Someone who has the wisdom and discrimination to observe correctly that for members and ministers alike, the standard Armstrong behavior is to try to APPEAR TO BE righteous while carving out as much room as possible for their private lives that other church members never see.
Armstrongist ministerial training is nothing but sales training. Bradford has learned to sell salvation. When Pack's church implodes, Brad will probably try to lead a church of his own, but if that fails he'll sell used cars or photocopiers or whatever else his new employer wants him to sell.
This is just a job to Brad, with many benefits. I am not sure if he is an atheist as the first poster noted, however, he loves the preeminence. He was brought in as a kid, and has been "boot licking" his idol Pack ever since. He is the last one who would ever leave, in fact, he and his wife are probably planning on how to continue to con the members once Dave dies of old age, and his prophecies by then would have still not yet have come to pass.
Maybe he will have to go back to the "3 to 5 years left" scenario, and "no man knows the day or hour"... Or God couldn't have let Mr. Pack know all of the details, since the end is now still yet to come and we have to do an even greater work... so send in more money!
The RCG and other COG's, the greatest con since the Catholic Church, to get more money by members purchasing their salvation!
10.45 PM
Many members are treated much better than they deserve since others assume that that are trying to live Gods way. So I'm not surprised that these free loaders don't like someone pointing out that there are church fakes.
Brad Boy, like any of these ‘ministers’ at HQ, is in it for the money and the power. Or the power and the money. You choose.
Religion, beliefs or love for Christ have nothing to do with it. And Brad Boy, like any of the wolves at HQ, will make sure that he gets his share of the loot..
Pack has terrorized the brethren for more than FORTY YEARS! His antics have been going on for that long and yet, neither the WCG or Global/ Living ever tried to stop him. Obviously, a KOOK like Pack can find refuge in a system that does not have an accountability or "flushing system". Any organization has about a necessity of replacing about 7% of its work force each year because of performance problems.
The COGs rarely ever fire someone, and just move idiots around.
THE FOLLOWING WAS PRINTED IN THE AMBASSADOR REPORT 36 YEARS AGO IN 1985! Nothing was done then, and should have! ...
David Pack's Reign of Terror
On the night of Roxanne Elliott's death, one of the last people - probably the very last one - Lois Elliott phoned before the tragedy was WCG minister David Pack, pastor of the Buffalo (North), New York congregation.. Exactly what was said, we don't know. At least not yet. That information may well come out should Lois Elliott ever recover sufficiently to stand trial. What is remarkable, however, is how often Pack's name seems to appear in conjunction with tragedies in the WCG. For a number of years now, no WCG minister's name has appeared more often in letters written to the Report complaining of ministerial abuse.
Pack, a burly 6-foot, 5-inch Ambassador College graduate known locally for his authoritarian style, has so incensed some in his flock that a group have circulated an open letter detailing his abuses and have called for his removal. The letter describes Pack's ministerial leadership as a "Reign of Terror." On the cover page, addressed to WCG headquarters leaders, they wrote: "David's power-crazed quest to totally dominate the mind, body, and spirit of church members has not been done in a corner and has been done clearly in view of all to see at headquarters in Pasadena."
On the following 13 pages of their letter the allegations about Pack read like a horror story. The authors contend that Pack constantly intimidates members, uses threats and mind-control methods, is given to extreme emotional outbursts, is highly political, believes in winning at all cost, has disfellowshipped members for trivial faults, prescribes diets while "playing M.D.," insists on being addressed as Mr. Pack, enjoys wearing skimpy, skin-tight shorts to sporting events, has actually worn a wolf costume to church socials, enjoys putting down women, and told one married woman with children, "It would be better for you to shack up one night with a man than wear makeup."
The letter quotes Pack as having said, "Everyone who has challenged me has either died, been seriously injured or has been eliminated from the work." And, "God backs me even if I am wrong."
Tonto at 8:26 AM said...“The letter quotes Pack as having said, 'Everyone who has challenged me has either died, been seriously injured or has been eliminated from the work.' And, 'God backs me even if I am wrong.'”
The PLAIN TRUTH about David C. Pack
Here is the Real Truth:
Satan backed Dave Pack. Satan was behind Dave Pack. Now, Satan is inside Dave Pack.
Dave Pack has been wrong all along. He is too far gone now to ever be right.
Everyone who has ever gone along with Dave Pack and supported him has been lied to, robbed, seriously injured, eliminated from the true COG, or died.
But there there were, and still are many minister like Dave Pack in the splinters. If one considers what church literature taught and what it left out such as self interest and rights, Pack was in harmony and propagated the church culture. And when the roof caved in on Herbs death, Joe Tkach as used as the scapegoat. Joe was in fact the effect, not the cause. The real cause was the evil church culture.
Wrong. There are very few as bad as Dave.
His a worm in a hole. He loves his boss and the pay check $360000 per year.
"There are very few as bad as Dave."
How do you know that? Three of the four ministers that I had were literal psychopaths. Why would this blog exist if Dave was the exception?
And what exactly is the difference between Pack and the vast majority of other Pastors Tonto? Nothing you typed here that hasn't happened elsewhere. Still goes on to this day.
Nope many of them are like Dave Pack. Only difference is the exortinate tithing belief Pack has invented and his bizarre aloofness to revelation scripture.
One word: Salary. Be great if Brad came clean on how much he makes so we can see the true motive. RCG is a non-profit. You'd almost think by law they'd have to release that information if it were requested...
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