When it comes to the vanity and narcissism of the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel, there is no end to the surprises or lunacy he comes up with.
Never in the history of the last 2,000 years of Christianity has there been such superfantabulous man sent by God to this earth! Even Jesus Christ pales in comparison to the mighty works of this man. Since he was part of the divine plan of the universe when the Godhead was sitting around the kitchen table planning on the future salvation of humankind, the subject of having a latter-day prophet return to save the church and its few remaining people so that they could become future gods just like Jesus. They knew that in those perilous end times, a mighty voice would need to be heard in the remnant church and the world to set it straight and to ring the final bell when it is time for the true believers to flee to Petra. After all, in those perilous end times, everyone will be too stupid to know the times are bad and they need to flee.
Only the greatest man ever to walk this earth could pull off such a mighty stunt as this and the Godhead worked diligently to craft the Might Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel to come in the perilous end times.
Knowing that 99.99999999999999999% of humanity would laugh at the great savior to come, they knew they needed to give him impeccable credentials that would be beyond reproach.
And so, today in 2023 we have the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel talking in our midst delivering the truth as it never has been before. These are the credentials that our Great Bwana Bob Mzungu lays at our feet.
Notice how deceptive he is with the last sentence as tries to bamboozle potential Catholic readers that he is carrying on the faith he had been taught in the Roman Catholic Church. It is a deceptive lie!
The author, Dr. Bob Thiel, was baptized, took cathechism classes, confirmed, and raised Roman Catholic as a child. He also attended Roman Catholic school for part of his elementary school years and studied Latin in high school. From his youth, he has always striven to hold to the original Christian faith.
Following is one of the stupidest things Bob Thiel has ever said about himself and his right to apostolic succession. He gained that right through the Dibar Apartian! Screw Gaylyn Bonjour! Apartian is the man!
After seeing shockingly major scriptural issues with Roman Catholic and Protestant teachings, he was later baptized by a Church of God (COG) minister in 1977. He was confirmed as a member of the “original catholic church” in 2008 by formerly Armenian Apostolic Orthodox catholic, but then original apostolic catholic Church of God clergyman evangelist, Dibar Apartian in France. Dr. Thiel later had hands laid on him related to ordination in 2011 and 2017 from other long-time ordained COG ministers (Gaylyn Bonjour, Evans Ochieng, and Samuel Gyeabour).
Dibar Apartian had no more light to pass on apposolic succession than Gyloyn Bonjour supposedly did allowing Bwana Bob to start a new church. Both claims are absurd and without merit. Gaylyn Bonjour did not lay hands on Bob to ordain him. Evans Ochieng and Samuel Gyeabour had no ability to ordain Bob as a church leader either. The lies and deception that surround Bwana Bob Mzungu are appalling!
Though interested in church history all his life, this interest intensified after one of his numerous trips to Vatican City, which then led to his formal studies in church history. Dr. Thiel also made numerous trips to other locations (such as Greece, Israel, and Turkey) where he also learned about early Christianity as well as aspects of the Eastern Orthodox Church. He has a graduate degree in information systems (M.S., USC) along with doctorates in nutrition science (Ph.D. UIU) and early Christianity (Th.D., TGSAT). Beliefs of the Original Catholic Church: Could a remnant group have continuing apostolic succession?
Bwana Gob Mzungu's TGSAT is a total farce. It is from an online diploma mill out of India that is NOT accredited and carries no weight anywhere in the world, except in the eyes of his few faithly leaders and some members in his little church. Bwana Bob Thiel's Th.D. is NOT a real doctorate in Theology that can be obtained in REAL seminaries but a distance by learning from college in India, now known as a hotbed of Christian theological education but for deceptive manipulation and con games against Westerners.
This is what they say about themselves:
Accreditation is a totally voluntary process, and it is not compulsory or mandatory for Bible Colleges and Seminaries that operate without government or federal funds. Since we have chosen not to seek or receive any government funds, we have taken a totally independent and biblical stand in these matters which is explained below.
TGSAT has been established by an international group of committed, theologically conservative, Bible believing, Christians to impart high quality spiritual, bible-based, theological education and training to Christians worldwide. The purpose of such training in Bible and theology is personal spiritual enrichment and also equipping of born-again Christians for spiritual ministry.
Here is an "international group of committed, theologically conservative, Bible-believing," Christians that the Great Bwana labels as "so-called" Christians. It's interesting how much he needs the validation of these "so-called" Christians to prove his ministry is right and yet has no respect for them.
The group that established the free theology training programs at TGSAT strongly feels that no external agency (private or government) should be allowed to regulate or control Bible-based spiritual activities. Thus, we have never sought accreditation by private or government agencies.
Contrary to popular belief, Accreditation of a theological institution is not based upon quality of spiritual instruction alone. Rather, a large number of other factors are also taken into consideration. Most people who examine such things (for granting accreditation) may not be conservative Christians. Many of them may not even be born-again. Thus they often may demand that the syllabus conform to their policies and doctrinal position.
As a result TGSAT might have to compromise on its theological stand in many areas if we opt for accreditation. Moreover, we firmly believe that secular governments have NO jurisdiction to examine/accredit bible-based theological programs. That is the reason why we wish to operate without accreditation.
Many people think that studying an accredited program will increase their job-prospects. Such people should notice that TGSAT is not meant for theological training for the sake of getting jobs. Applicants whose primary purpose is to seek a job after their studies should look elsewhere for a Bible Seminary that trains people for jobs and should not look to TGSAT to meet such a requirement. That is simply not part of our mission or vision.
The Great Bwana Mzungu did not need to worry about this. He had dreams and visions and that was the start button for his new splinter group.
TGSAT is here to train people who are looking for spiritual self-enrichment and also for those who wish to use such a formal training in Bible and Theology for Christian ministry-related purposes. Such people look for spiritual quality of instruction and not for government accreditation of biblical and theological training programs.
Was Bwana Bob Mzungu actually getting a "spiritual quality of instruction" or did he go into all of this with his Armstrognite blinders thinking he was going to educate them? You and I both know for a fact Bwana Bob entered this program knowing that he had all the answers. There wasn't much knew any of these Indian Christians could ever teach him. After all, they were deceived and blinded Christians.
What is more, it is a wrong notion that all accredited institutions maintain spiritual quality. On the contrary, you need to know that ALL theologically radical and liberal Bible seminaries worldwide tend to be accredited. This means that accreditation is not the same as spiritual quality. With that made clear, let us took at how TGSAT maintains its quality.
Well, Armstrongism and Bobism are not known for "spiritual quality" and yet here we are.
We have built a system of multiple checks-and-balances to ensure that TGSAT maintains the highest possible spiritual, theological, and academic quality. This includes a strong Statement of Doctrine, regular review of the syllabus, and also a very large international group made up of faculty members and graduates who keep assessing TGSAT quality on a periodic basis. This feedback is analyzed periodically by the core group so as to ensure that quality is maintained. Thus you can be assured that we will always maintain the highest spiritual, biblical, and academic quality at any cost. What is more, all TGSAT programs shall remain totally free of tuition fees.
If these men in this Indian distance-by-learning site were real Christians you know that in addition to the many statements of belief they required, the big one would be the belief in the Trinity. Did the Great Bwana lie to them about his belief in the Trinity?
Summary: Join TGSAT only if your primary interest is in theological/biblical instruction. If you wish anything more than that [such as a government job, any other kind of job, government scholarship] then Trinity is not the right institution. Bear this clearly in mind before you apply. What is more, since no institution can unconditionally guarantee acceptance of their degree by other institutions worldwide, Trinity offers no such guarantee. We guarantee only an international-quality theological/biblical training. Posted in: Accreditation. About the Author: Kochi_Admin_2013
Here we have a man who despises the Trinity and lies about it yet signed up for an online diploma from Trinity School! The hypocrisy drips loudly on the enlarged head of the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu.
Never has the Church of God seen such a deceptive man in its midst. He is our own Judas and Simon Magus all wrapped up into one. Even as deceptive and manipulative as Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack and Ron Wienland are, they represent themselves as themselves. Bwana Bob Mzungu presents himself as someone he is not. Never has been. And, never shall be.
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Some comments made regarding Bob Thiel in this thread were as follows:
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"...Following is one of the stupidest things Bob Thiel has ever said about himself and his right to apostolic succession. He gained that right through the Dibar Apartian! Screw Gaylyn Bonjour! Apartian is the man!
After seeing shockingly major scriptural issues with Roman Catholic and Protestant teachings, he was later baptized by a Church of God (COG) minister in 1977. He was confirmed as a member of the “original catholic church” in 2008 by formerly Armenian Apostolic Orthodox catholic, but then original apostolic catholic Church of God clergyman evangelist, Dibar Apartian in France. Dr. Thiel later had hands laid on him related to ordination in 2011 and 2017 from other long-time ordained COG ministers (Gaylyn Bonjour, Evans Ochieng, and Samuel Gyeabour).
Dibar Apartian had no more light to pass on apposolic succession than Gyloyn Bonjour supposedly did allowing Bwana Bob to start a new church. Both claims are absurd and without merit. Gaylyn Bonjour did not lay hands on Bob to ordain him. Evans Ochieng and Samuel Gyeabour had no ability to ordain Bob as a church leader either. The lies and deception that surround Bwana Bob Mzungu are appalling..."
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Bob Thiel supposedly puts a lot of emphasis on some "double anointing" for something, but what?
A double portion of God's Spirit? Where's the proof?
Does Bob Thiel think he is another Elisha, who knew something about the importance of God's Spirit in one's life?
If Bob Thiel were some Elisha, then who was the Elijah? Apartian? BonJour? Good night? Good grief?
Have any visible miracles occurred in the lives of Apartian? BonJour? Thiel?
What was the fruit of Elisha's life? Whatever number of miracles Elijah did, Elisha did about double that number.
Bob Thiel ain't no prophet of God, or anything like either Elijah or Elisha, but time will tell...
John
If Bob spent half the time he spends on erecting fake infrastructure actually applying himself legitimately, he might become respected and somewhat successful.
Look, the basic problem is, people like Bob Thiel watched for decades as Ambassador College cranked out what was largely fake degrees, unrecognized by any legitimate venue of higher education. I get that. Plus, you had Herbert W. Armstrong flapping those hog jowls of his about PHD meaning "piled higher and deeper" and all the vanity that went with that. I mean the old man trashed higher education and intellectuals just as badly as he did "Christians falsely so-called", the medical profession as being largely experimental, injecting monkey pus into people to cure polio, and perpetrating all manner of other atrocities on unsuspecting dupes. So, yeah. Bob probably has it all worked out in his own mind that his education is not just equal to that from recognized institutions, but actually superior to them.
Now, you can actually pull that off, if you speak well for yourself, and have a magnetic personality. With years of coaching, Bob might actually become a practiced speaker. But, from Armstrongism, he has also inherited an authoritarian and elitist personality. Many of us suffered that same fate. I would never have become successful had someone not suggested taking courses in personnel administration to me early on. Believe me, that was an eye opener! We tend to imitate what we believe to be examples of strength. Imitating an Armstrongite minister is not going to get you anywhere in today's business environments! That's a turnoff and gets you mocked and even hated.
We speak of Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry not having much time left, because of their ages. Bob Thiel does not have enough time to become what he aspires to be. Not at the snails pace we've watched him progress. I'm sure he imagines a calling from God, and a huge miraculous boost at some point. All the people in the ACOGs are watching the world around them, and the incredible changes which they interpret as being extreme harbingers of the end. They are missing out on what they have been schooled to believe is their calling. Not a single one of them is getting out a noticeable warning. All expect something which will miraculously draw attention to them, and their message, and extreme persecution as they get it out. Dave Pack gave up on that and keeps preaching that Jesus will come every other day without these missing events ever happening. They don't realize that the ship sailed in 1975. HWA was revealed as a false prophet way back then, and a certain percentage of his once myriad followers just can't accept that.
All Christians are "co-called" Christians. Bob too.
It caught my attention that HWA trashed the medical profession. Is this another example of Herb following the Seventh Day Adventist's Ellen G. White who also condemned modern medicine? The women was an alcoholic who made her own vinegar based booze.
So a ACOG minister who advices his members to shun medical treatment might be just parroting Ellen G. White.
Like many in religion, Bob has tended towards the pseudo sciences. Not to him of course, but still it is so.
Many religious personalities claim the same credentials as those who actually have done the hard work to attain those legitimate credentials, which of course they do not actually possess. Shortcuts are the name of the game. They have not invested the time, money or discipline to achieve credibility.
Rather than actual medicine, Bob chooses the route of the naturopath, which may have some healthful advice, but also diverts into the pseudoscience of homeopathy and such.
With this kind of perspective and mindset, it is no leap to derive an apostolic ordination from thin air and misinterpret an experience wrongly. He needed to be set apart as special and he found it in the phrase "double portion of the spirit" when getting anointed when feeling bad evidently.
I visited a member in a mental hospital once and she told me that of course I did not know this, but actually I was an angel. I chose not to run with that! :)
If water has memory, then a quick drink from any faucet should protect us from all human maladies as well as give them to us. As well, there would be no need to take any meds as they have already gone into the water supply via all people peed in the morning no matter how filtered the water was by the city.
I helped a friend do a video on muscle testing for his class and he clearly was telling the class that I was weaker in this situation than another and it simply was not so. I resisted him when I was supposing not to, but he told the class, "See how much weaker he is". It was simply not true. It was humorous to me but he needed it to work so he made it seem to work by even telling others what he needed to be so but what simply was not true, and they should have been able to see it was not true but they did not. They were muscle testing students, and the assumption was that of course it was true.
When we believe something is true, everything we observe that boosts the perception is enough proof to ourselves that it is when it isn't. And no more investigation is ever necessary.
So it is with Bob and his views of religion and himself as well. His Catholic upbringing obviously had a profound effect on his mind, as to be expected, as well.
Bob, like many, mistake their magical thinking as truth of many matters. Religion offers enough magical events to fuel that tendency forevermore and lock one's mind in a very small world of pseudo-everything.
PS As well, and just something I have noticed over the years. Those who do just enough homework to think they have all the correct views and understanding of all things, tend towards distrust all other information to the contrary when it is good information but contradicts their already accepted beliefs.
Beliefs are not necessarily based in reality as we should know. Conspiracy theories attract this mentality and "they aren't telling you everything" rules the day. The Armstrongs built their small empire on this approach to Christianity.
In hindsight, and just observing the various AC Alumni sites, WCG tended to draw this kind of person and as a result today, after the sifting out of the WCG debris, what is left are the diehards who have left "my kingdom is not of this world" for a somewhat fanatical need to believe in their new Lord and Savior Donald Trump. I left the Ambassador College Alumni site for this very reason. Between every known conspiracy being "the truth" and all Democrats "Leftists" being communists, Marxists, "woke" and liberal scum, it was more than this boy could take. Medical conspiracies abound as well and quoting quackery and the authors of it as their heroes is the norm.
In SC my clients assured me when Covid hit that "you don't get this from people. You get it from cell towers and your phone." and "The reason "they" tell us to stand six feet apart is because "they" can hear you better talking about them." One told me that "A Jewish rabbi tells all the media how to control people....and he's 400 years old." I fired him as a client when he kept saying, "If you were smart and intelligent, you would....." It's not far from this on the Alumni site at times.
Understanding the evolution of the Universe and all life on Earth as opposed to the Biblical myths on such topics wasn't taken kindly too either as you can imagine.
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When we believe something is true, everything we observe that boosts the perception is enough proof to ourselves that it is when it isn't. And no more investigation is ever necessary.
Dennis, an excellent description of the atheist mindset.
So glad that I keep reporting the fake doctor’s videos on YouTube one was already taken down hopefully YouTube will close his channel and protect the world from his misinformation.
Ok, Booby, you have prevailed with me with your constant bragging, claims, titles and self promotions.
I therefore raise you from the "annoyance level", to the same place and importance in the hierarchy of the universe as UNDERDOG, BEAVIS & BUTTHEAD, and DUDLEY DO RIGHT!
A genuine atheist would not stake out a religious blog like Banned. They just wouldn't bother. Dennis is a variation of Dave Pack. Same motivations but with a different bag of tricks.
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