It's a sunny day in most of California as our big storm has blown through into Utah and parts unknown. When the sun starts heating things up it warms the heart of our resident self-appointed false prophet of California to lash out at other false prophets in the Church of God. After all, there can only be ONE correct prophet and we all know it has to reside in Arroyo Grande and nowhere else on the entire planet.
Our most highly favored, glorious, and perfect Great Bwana to Africa and the Occasional 100 Caucasians lashed out today at Wade Cox, that other false prophet of the Church of God, the Grand Poobah of the improperly named "christian" Churches of God, all of Africa, and the majority of its Muslims.
Cox, not known as the brightest of the bulbs in the COG leaders pack, has for years made up long charts of how he predicts the end times to happen and the start of the millennium.
Outline Timetable of the Age (Edition 7.5 19981121-20021020-20061108-20101025-20111122-20120601-20131228-20171220-20200508-20221231)
Table 1 …
2021-2024 Period of the possible Advent of Messiah and subjugation of the planet. 2027/8 Jubilee Fortieth Jubilee since ministry of Messiah. ********* ***************** 2028 Thousand years of the Millennium begins under Messiah. … Table 2 …
2018-2024 Period of the Witnesses and the Advent of the King-Messiah at Jerusalem.
2027 Jubilee of the end of the age. 2028 Millennial rule from Jerusalem. … Table 3 …
1916-1948Establishment of the Jewish homeland. 2021-2027 Return of the King. … Table 5 …
2027The fortieth Jubilee of the Sign of Jonah. Every rule and every authority and every religious system of this world or of this age is destroyed. ******* ***************** 2028 The millennial system commences under the Law of God. … Table 9 …
2022-2025Messiah intervenes and subjugates the nations. 2027/28 Fortieth Jubilee year. Messiah takes total rule of the planet. 2028 First year of the Jubilee of Jubilees since the Reading of the Law with Ezra and Nehemiah. … Table 12 …
2023/4-2026/7 Witnesses arrive and teach for 1260 days; they are killed and lie in the streets for three days. They are resurrected and rise to meet Messiah. False prophet killed; First Resurrection of the dead. 2026 and 2027
Subjugation of the planet under the seven vials of the wrath of God and the battles of Armageddon. The European system is destroyed then the kings of the East are brought down over the dried up basin of the Euphrates to the valley of Jezreel. The second exodus of Israel.
2027 The fortieth Jubilee since Messiah and the forty-ninth since the second Temple and the restoration under Ezra and Nehemiah (cf. Reading the Law with Ezra and Nehemiah (No. 250)). 2028 First year of the Jubilee of Jubilees; the beginning of the Millennium (see the paper The Golden Jubilee and the Millennium (No. 300)).
This really perturbed our Great Bwana Mzungu:
For over a decade, I have denounced wrong chronologies and other matters from CCG’s Wade Cox.
This is in error. There is no possibility that the millennium can begin before 2031. Many of the other events pointed to have simply not happened. Wade Cox will be proven wrong on the millennium and other matters. Certain events that Jesus pointed to have not yet occurred which render Wade Cox’s dates impossible.
Well, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black! One lying false prophet condemning another false prophet! Oh, wait! This is the COG, how soon I forget.
The Great Bwana goes on:
Some have been critical of me pointing out false predictions from people who claim to be Church of God, but who are probably not truly COG, but instead are false. Because of its denial of Jesus’ divinity, I do not consider that CCG is truly a COG.
He continues with this,, apparently with his head stuck in the sand:
Remember how Jesus dealt with religious leaders (Matthew 7:15-23) and/or Laodiceans (Revelation 3:14-19). If the claims seem improperly prophetic or exceptionally bold, I tend to cite 2 Peter 2:1-3.
Should we be concerned about false and heretical leaders? Should they always be ignored? Should we focus on the positive about them? What did Jesus do? What does the Bible teach?
Many people do not seem to understand what Jesus was really like and what He really taught.
While it is true He taught, “love your enemies” and to “pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you” (Matthew 5:44), it is a misunderstanding to believe that Jesus taught that one could never point out the problems of religious enemies (and yes, we should still pray for them).
Yet, when this blog and others point out the continuing string of lies and false teachings of Bwana Bob he gets his holistic knickers in a knot real fast. How dare anyone criticize him! He is the most perfect and most truthful COG leader to exist since before the foundations of the world were even dreamed up.
Our Great Bwana condemns Cox with this in a glaring fit of hypocrisy:
Jesus often taught to beware of religious leaders. Notice:
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! (Matthew 7:15-23, NKJV throughout unless otherwise indicated).
False leaders do not produce good fruit. Many of them tend to encourage lawlessness (though they would almost all deny that). Those that follow them risk being cast out by Jesus.
Hello Buttercup! Go look in the mirror!
Then in his typical smug condemnatory style, he continues:
In one of the longest condemnations of those who have pretended to be Christian, Jude, Jesus’ brother, wrote:
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. 14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
16 These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage. 17 But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: 18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. 19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit (Jude 1:3-19).
Notice that Jude was not afraid to tell the truth about some false leaders who claimed to be Church of God Christians as well as about leaders who are mainly intent on building a following after themselves.
We have been telling the truth about false self-appointed Church of God liars here for over 10 years now, including the lies of the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu.
Then...the most converted man to ever walk this earth condemns several other COG leaders:
That said, while I doubt the conversion of various false ones like Wade Cox, David Pack, Gerald Flurry, and Ron Weiland and do NOT consider that they are truly COG, some people attempt to practice the “guilt by association” game. This is an old Satanic tactic. The Bible teaches that Satan is the accuser of the brethren (Revelation 12:9-10), and we have seen his allies do the same as some like to lump the true in with the false in order to try to tarnish the true.
Our Bwana Bob Mzungu is no more converted than any of the blithering idiots he mentioned above. That's a fact.
Then our Great Bwana ends with, tooting his own little itty bitty horn all about his awesome self:
So, do not be quick to consider the good to be bad. If you truly have God’s Spirit and really strive to be a Philadelphian Christian, you will actually believe that God’s word says there will be prophets and dreams from Him in the last days per Acts 2:17-18.
Do not follow false teachers. Do not presume, however, someone is false because an accuser of the brethren lumps him/her in with the false.
Remember, the Apostle Paul wrote:
19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil. (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22)
So, in addition to avoiding the bad, do not overlook the good.
Have your really tested all things?
Or have you relied on traditions and feelings?
We have tested the Great Bwana Bob and he has been found lacking. God is no more working in or through Bwana Bob than he is with Wade Cox, Pack, and Flurry. Set yourselves free and leave the theological filth of these two groups. Freedom is far better than anything these two can offer you.
11 comments:
False prophets are the ones who believe God uses math to orchestrate prophecy. being perennially wrong, they've been insisting on correcting their starting points and the math, combining it with scriptures that appear to provide gentle hints in certain directions. Been doing it for decades now. If God had been laying it all out by math, Jesus would have known all about it. Carpenters must excel in math, working with compound angles, stress factors, etc.
Coglodytes: Try something novel and fearless! Throw away the HWA prophecy mold. It's failed hundreds of times now, and most thinking people would realize that it has long since reached its saturation point to the extent of no longer being an effective tool for evangelism.
Is there an exhaustive compendium of all predictive utterances of Sponge Pants (like there is for HWA) so that we can grade the hit/miss result?
As a corollary, Bob Thiel had a post entitled: “Germany sends naval warship to Red Sea–a prelude to Daniel 11:30 and Numbers 24:24?”.
In the post he wrote:
“No later than 2003, I first thought that Daniel 11:30 could be referring to United States and/or British-descended warships alarming the European King of the North.”
“No later than in a book I wrote in 2008 did I identify the USA as the naval power in Daniel 11 that comes into conflict with the European power.”
“Yes, conflict between the USA and Europe is coming. Now, even though Daniel 11:40 shows that the King of the North will have “many ships”–at the time of verse 30 it simply will not have enough naval power to dissuade the USA from getting the King of the North to stop proceeding for a short time.”
Daniel 11:30 refers to the time of Antiochus Epiphanes - the OT Antichrist, the ‘type’.(Daniel 11:40 refers to the NT Antichrist, the ‘antitype’).
"The stress of the message is on Antiochus Epiphanes (vv. 21-35) and the Antichrist (vv. 36-45), the former typifying the latter. Again an implied time gap exists between the two" (Leon J. Wood, A Commentary on Daniel, p.280).
“In another expedition against Egypt, “at the time appointed,” that is, by God, he managed to capture Ptolemy Philometor but was finally forced to evacuate Egypt because he failed to take the city of Alexandria. His success was not as great as in former expeditions, as stated, “it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.” Still another invasion of Egypt occurred about 168 B.C. Here, however, he was met near Alexandria by a Roman consul, Gaius Popillius Laenas, who summarily demanded that he leave Egypt at the pain of being attacked by Rome. The Roman consul is reported to have drawn a circle about the king and told him that his decision had to be reached before he stepped out of the circle. Rather than risk a war with Rome, Antiochus, although greatly displeased, withdrew from Egypt immediately and conceded Egypt to Roman power. Prophetically, this is indicated in verse 30 by the statements for the ships of Chittim shall come against him, usually taken as a symbolic representation of Roman power which came from the west past Chittim (also spelled Kittim), a reference to the island of Cyprus which was west of his kingdom. The fleet of Laenas sailed to Egypt after the Roman victory over Perseus of Macedon near Pydna south of Thessalonica (June 22, 168 BC). In the Septuagint, the expression the ships of Chittim is translated “the Romans,” giving the sense if not the exact translation.
“Disgruntled by his defeat in Egypt at the hands of the Rome, Antiochus Epiphanes seems to have vented his wrath upon the Jewish people as intimated in verse 30 in the expression, “have indignation against the holy covenant.”
“The mention of “the time of the end” in verse 35 is notice ... that from verse 36 on, the prophecy leaps the centuries that intervene to the last generation prior to God’s judgment of Gentile power and its rulers...
“The amazing detailed prophecies of the first thirty-five verse of this chapter, containing as they do approximately one hundred and thirty-five prophetic statements, all now fulfilled, constitute an impressive introduction to the events that are yet future, beginning in verse 36...” (John F. Walvood, Daniel, the Key to Prophetic Revelation, pp.267-269).
1 Macc 1:64 Great affliction was upon Israel.
The OT tribulation under Antiochus, which began with his withdrawal from Egypt, provides the ‘type' for the NT tribulation under Antichrist.
Da 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Da 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
I can see why these people would want to criticize, counter, and debate one another. They are all competing for the same shrinking pool of splinter surfers. For Bob Thiel, it's kind of a natural extension, because he's essentially doing the same thing in Africa, only competing with other sabbatarian groups.
But, at the end of the day, it's like a bunch of garbage men arguing over whose route is best.
Hey false prophets!! Where is your mention of the prophecy that Jesus comes as in the days of Noah when people are eating, drinking, marrying........?? There was no worldwide holocaust before the flood.
But UCG as well as the "Elijahs" and the "apostles" is drenched with gloom and doom:
https://www.ucg.org/members/news/prophetic-times-iran-in-prophecy:
"What is prophesied to happen to modern Israel? Ezekiel chapters 6 and 16 give a scenario of the coming great fall of the United States and the U.K. and God’s punishment of our people. Ezekiel 6:6 says our cities will be laid waste."
These falsies think prophecy is dual b/c their god Herbert said so and so "it's" going to happen again. There's no verse that says prophecy is dual, including Isaiah 41:22. Whaddya think "...no, nor ever shall be" - Mat 24:21 meant??
Good points, studious one, 2:34, in correcting Thiel. Bob is close like you but not always right.
Germany sending ships to the Red Sea is a prelude to Dan 11:40, not 11:30.
Num 24:24 was an inspired prediction that the Romans would eventually dominate the world after Assyria.
Thiel thinks that the USA is the naval power in Dan 11. Wrong again. The US is referenced in Dan 12:1.
And Walvood is wrong when he says that from v36 on "prophecy leaps the centuries". It leaps the centuries from v40.
You need to clarify your penultimate statement about the withdrawal of Antiochus from Egypt being a type of the coming trib under Antichrist. It may be better to say that the trib began AFTER (rather than WITH) his withdrawal from Egypt. He is forced out, gets angry, is filled with envy, decides to come back and side with the hypocrites and double-dealers, gets some power on his side (arms, v31), and wants to corrupt believers and change their religion in his singular desire for control.
Dan 11 has to be one of the greatest chapters on prophecy ever written. You see, brethren? Everything is planned out in advance. Even if the world's governors understood the prophecies and tried to prevent them, there is ALWAYS a higher power at work against you (from family, friends, colleagues, opponents, nations, the devil and demons, the holy angels backed by the power of Christ.)
Hi 11:18,
We will have to agree to disagree where the ‘leap’ occurs. Below is the support for v.36 - it works better in colored highlights.
It looks like, if you are going to be reading, I will have to choose my words more carefully :)
Excepts From “Daniel 11” supplemented with excerpts from “Man of Sin” following:
Part 1
INTRODUCING THE 'TELESCOPIC LEAP'
Da 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time ['eth] of the end [qets]: because it is yet for a time appointed [mo'ed].
"The purging process is indicated in verse 35 to continue "to the time of the end." It is clear from this reference that the persecutions of Antiochus are not the time of the end, even though they foreshadow them. The mention of "the time of the end" in verse 35 is notice, however, that from verse 36 on, the prophecy leaps the centuries that intervene to the last generation prior to God's judgment of Gentile power and its rulers. Beginning in verse 36, prophecy is unfolded that is as yet unfulfilled" (John F. Walvoord, Daniel - The Key to Prophetic Revelation, (Chicago: Moody Press, 1971), p.269).
"The entire section from Daniel 11:36 to 12:3 continues a revelation of the major factors of the time of the end which may be summarized as follows: (1) a world ruler, (2) a world religion, (3) a world war, (4) a time of great tribulation for Israel, (5) deliverance for the people of God at the end of the tribulation, (6) resurrection... and (7) reward of the righteous. All of these factors are introduced in this section. Added elsewhere in the Scriptures are the additional facts that this time of the end begins with the breaking of the covenant by "the prince that shall come" (Dan 9:26-27); that the "time of the end" will last for three and one-half years (Dan 7:25; 12:7; Rev 13:5); that the time of the end is the same as the time of Jacob's trouble and the great tribulation (Jer 30:7; Mt 24:21). Minor additional details are supplied in Revelation 6-19" (John F. Walvoord, Daniel - The Key to Prophetic Revelation, pp.281-82).
THE END-TIME KING
Da 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done...
"Further evidence is found in the fact that he not only assumes complete political rule but also the role of God. According to verse 36, "he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god." In his claim for deity, which he demands that all recognize on pain of death (Rev 13:15), he clearly asserts his supremacy over all others... According to verse 36, he shall also blaspheme against the true God and prosper for a time until he comes to his end" (John F. Walvoord, Daniel - The Key to Prophetic Revelation, p.272).
Da 11:36b and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god,
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
2 Macc 6:2a also to pollute the temple in Jerusalem and to call it the temple of Olympian Zeus (NRSV) see also 6:2b
"Antiochus was proud, but not to the point of magnifying himself above every god, for he worshiped the gods of Greece and demanded the same of the Jews. The Antichrist, however, will indeed try to set himself above every god (cf. 2 Thess. 2:4), blaspheming God's name (cf. Rev. 13:6) and attempting even to change to change God's natural laws (cf. Dan. 7:25)" (Leon J. Wood, A Commentary on Daniel, p.305).
Part 2
Da 11:36c and shall speak marvellous things [pala'] against the God of gods,
"Astonishing things: The word used (root, pala', "to separate") is a plural niphal participle, meaning literally "things done astonishingly, unbelievably." The thought of uniqueness is connoted. This person will speak against God that will be unique to himself - different, apparently, from what any other would dare to speak, in degree of insolence and self-exaltation" (Leon J. Wood, A Commentary on Daniel, p.305).
"In Hebrew, "x of x" indicates the superlative, as in "Song of Songs" (Song 1:1), which is "the greatest song"; "holy of holies" or "the Most Holy Place" (Exod. 26:33, 34); and "vanity of vanities," which means "most vain" (Eccl. 1:2; NIV "meaningless"). The term "God of gods," then, means "the greatest God," which for Israelites monotheists signified the one true God, who was and is greater than all other "gods" (falsely so called)" (William B. Nelson, Daniel, UBCS, p.286).
Da 11:36d and shall prosper till the indignation [za'am] be accomplished [kalah]:
Da 8:19a ... I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation [za'am] :
"The indignation: The word used (za'am) is the same word as in 8:19, a parallel context, where it was found to refer to the Tribulation period, when the Antichrist is the mighty Roman king. The same time is in view here, the thought being that the Antichrist will succeed in his actions until the completion of the time..." (Leon J. Wood, A Commentary on Daniel, pp.305-06)...
THE TIME OF THE END
Da 11:40a And at the time ['eth] of the end [qets]
“... Verse 36-39 contain, as we have seen, important features irreconcilable with Antiochus. And from v.40 on there is the greatest contrast between his career and that of the little horn, whose end is here described. Further more, the shift of scene to the last days seems to be doubly emphasized by the introductory words "At the time of the end" (ubet qes, lit., "And in the end time"). The transition between v.35 and v.36 is not so clearly indicated for the later verse is simply introduced by a waw connective (we'asah kiresono hammelek, lit., "Then the king will do as he pleases")" (Gleason L. Archer, Jr., Daniel, EBC, Vol.7, pp.146-147)...
"Thus far, the information given regarding this final Roman ruler has concerned his general policies and practices. Now, significant activities (those pertaining to the Jews [better Jacob]) are set forth. These are introduced by the same notice ("the time of the end") as employed in introducing his policies (v.35)" (Leon J. Wood, A Commentary on Daniel, p.308).
Part 3
From “Man of Sin”:
2 Thessalonians 2:4
2Th 2:4a Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
2 Th 2:4b so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Dan 11:36 ... and the king shall exalt and magnify himself against every god... (Brenton, LXX).
Eze 28:2 ... thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas...
“The clause that constitutes our verse 4 sits in apposition to the twofold description of the rebel that has preceded (“the lawless one/doomed to destruction”). Thus what Paul does next is to describe the Rebel’s activities in a way that offers the divine reason for his doom. Everything about him reveals him as “anti-God,” not in titular terms, but in terms of his activities. For much of the rest of the sentence Paul is indebted to the language of Daniel 11:36 LXX and Ezekiel 28:2. The first passage is a description of the self-exaltation of Antiochus IV, who styled himself as “Epiphanes” (the divinely manifest one) [should be the Antichrist, of whom Antiochus IV was a type, as above]: thus Daniel describes him as “exalting himself against ‘the God of gods’ ” meaning the one God above all others that might be thought of as “gods.” This is both the language and imagery that Paul uses in the first half of this clause (v.4a). The description of the Rebel as “opposing and exalting himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped is, as in the Old Testament passages, a way if describing total arrogance. Thus with this adoption of the language of Daniel, Paul reveals his understanding of that passage as referring to an event that was yet to come...” (Gordon D. Fee, The First and Second Letters to the Thessalonians, NICNT, p.283).
2Th 2:4a The [one] opposing [antikeimai] and exalteth himself [hyperairomai] above all that is called God...
Zec 3:1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to oppose [satan, MT; antikeimai, LXX] him.
“He opposes renders a participle which might well be translated ‘the opposer’ or ‘the adversary’, a term sometimes applied to Satan (e.g., 1 Tim 5;14; NIV ‘the enemy’), indeed, the Hebrew word satan means ‘adversary’ (cf. Zech 3:1). The use of the term emphasizes the kinship of the ‘man of lawlessness’ with his master” (Leon Morris, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, TNTC, p.127).
2Co 12:7a And lest I should be exalted above measure [hyperairomai] through the abundance of the revelations
“Closely joined with this is a second participle (there is but one article in the Greek), ‘the exalter of himself’. The verb [hyperairomai] is found elsewhere in the New Testament only in 2 Corinthians 12:7 (where the AV twice translates it ‘exalted over measure’)” (Leon Morris, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, TNTC, p.127).
Dan 11:36 ... exalt and magnify himself above [epi] every [panta] God [theon]... (LXX).
2Th 2:4a exalteth himself above [epi] every [panta] so-called [legomenon] God [theon].
“By inserting legomenon into the language of Daniel, Paul portrays the absolute monotheism that belongs to his generation. Thus Daniel’s “every deity” in Paul’s terms is “every so-called deity”... (Gordon D. Fee, The First and Second Letters to the Thessalonians, NICNT, p.283).
2Th 2:4a Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped [sebasma];
“His direct and determined opposition to the true God will be a leading feature of the continuing apostasy...” (Robert L. Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, EBC, Vol.11, p.322).
8:44, I'm a little late in responding but, no, that passage in Dan 11 doesn't go from Antiochus to the modern day Antichrist, skipping a period of 2100 years of activity.
If you desire to know more, I can tell you but do you trust the scholars more, the ones you're quoting? What did Paul say about speaking about prophecy in the church? (1 Cor 14)
One of your sources above (Wood) disagrees with another (Fee) over the issue of whether Antiochus really magnified himself above every god, even though his name, Epiphanes, means "God manifest". This is Wood's attempt to make his narrative say that there is a gap of unfulfilled prophecy from v36 onward.
Thiel has it wrong too. He thinks that v39 refers to the USA.
Hi 7:07
Echoing above:
“We will have to agree to disagree”.
and John:
“Time will tell.”
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