Thiel: It's All About ME and Baron Karl zu Guttenberg

The Drinking Beast

Apparently stung by the mounting criticism of his incessant speculations about Baron Karl Guttenberg (a German - and we all know what THAT means to Armstrongites) as the King of the North, he has written a long screed today justifying his speculations.

Prophet Thiel wants you to know that he is a lone voice crying out in the wilderness about Baron Guttenberg.  He also wants you to know that he is the worlds foremost authority on Baron Guttenberg over anyone else in the COG.

So where does he gather so much of his information that forms his speculations?  From an old Catholic manuscript that talks about the "Great Monarch."

As a student of prophecy, I found it interesting that Karl zu Guttenberg has characteristics that seem to line up with Catholic, Byzantine, and biblical prophecies related to an end time European leader.  Catholic and Byzantine prophecies seem to refer to this individual as the “Great Monarch” or “Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire,” while Bible prophecies tend to call him the final King of the North of Daniel 11 and the Beast of the sea in Revelation 13.

Some of that information that Prophet Thiel has latched on to are these silly reasons:

1. His name will begin with the letter K (Karl does).
2. His name will be Charles (Charles is the French and English version of the name Karl).
3. One of his names will be Joseph (this is one of his many names).
4. His name will be 80 characters in length.  
5. He will be educated since birth (he was).
6. He will speak English to those in his empire (he is fluent in English, but has no empire yet).
7. He will have dark hair (he does).
8. He will be balding in the front (he is).
9. He will have an eagle/aquiline nose (he seems to).
10. He will be handsome (it has been suggested that he is).
11. He will be a knight/duke, for “a valiant duke will arise from the ancient German house” (a German Baron who is a military leader seems to fit this).
12. He will be ecumenically-oriented (the Baron married a Lutheran)

Read Prophet Thiel's blog entry for the entire convoluted series of speculations:

 COGwriter Speculations on Karl zu Guttenberg Shown Correct

Now to show how annoying his article is, I have copied portions of his sentences so you can see the narcissistic bent he is on. It's all about him.  He knows all and has LCG backing him up.  He throws in LCG a couple of times because many of his detractors are complaining to LCG about him.

I have been one of relatively few to regularly post prophetic articles about him, and seem to be the first newswriter to specify that Karl zu  Guttenberg may become the final King of the North of Bible prophecy and Great Monarch of Catholic and Byzantine (Eastern/Greek Orthodox) prophecy.

I personally have been following and reporting on Baron Karl zu Guttenberg since late 2009 (see America to be Replaced By China or Europe?) as one who may play an important role in the future of Europe and the entire world.

While I have long been wondering who may become the final King of the North, the release of my book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect in September 2009, provided even further motivation to look for such a leader.

On February 13, 2010, I published an article about him,...

On February 20, 2010, after noticing certain comments that then German Defense Minister Guttenberg made about NATO, I posted...

A week ago, I posted an article containing some news items

 I noticed that I had written...  (My favorite!)

On May 12, 2010, I began to report about him...

On June 3, 2010, also at my Los Angeles Church History and End Time Prophecy Examiner column, I posted...

I posted an article titled Guttenberg to fulfill warning from Los Angeles End Time Prophecy Examiner?

On June 14, 2010, when he caught some flack about some of his statements related to Afghanistan, I posted...

Also, in June 2010, in my article Might German Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg become the King of the North?, I posted the following:...

On August 6, 2010, at my Los Angeles Church History and End Time Prophecy Examiner column, I posted...

On October 21, 2010, at my Los Angeles Church History and End Time Prophecy Examiner column, I posted...

On February 25, 2011, I posted...

...a few days after I posted...

On March 4, 2011, I posted...

In that same March 4, 2011 post, I wrote...

I have had my eye on Karl Guttenberg since late 2009 when I initially reported about him

 As I reported before....

...is consistent with that speculation on my part...

I posted: If he becomes more involved in issues with the Vatican, a religious order, and/or the EU, watch out!

On May 10, 2011, I posted the following...

So, before he announced his exile, I suspected that he may fulfill exile prophecies.

I re-posted one of the old Eastern Orthodox prophecies about the Great Monarch

This is something that I covered at this National Church History and End Time Prophecy column on November 21, 2011

In that article I mentioned “23 items to consider as to why Karl zu Guttenberg could possibly fill the role that he now seems to be advocating,”  thus I felt that part of the purpose of his speech was to 

...notice something Karl zu Guttenberg said that I reported on November 30, 2011

I, as well as LCG, wrote back in March of this year...

Notice something that I posted on December 9, 2011...

...this is something that I am now, and have been for some time, watching for. And yes, I also suspect...


 ...what I feel may happen with him....

Also notice something that I had posted at the Examiner.com on December 11, 2012

While I do not  yet 100% know if the Baron is the final King of the North,

Why would I have concluded items about the Baron BEFORE these events happened that they may happen?

The first is that I try to follow Jesus’ admonitions...

Because of where we appear to be in the prophetic timeline, the writing of my 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect book...

Notice what I posted on March 11, 2011  ...

When I was working in 2010 on the article...

...it occurred to me that if the Baron is the one, that he may try to fulfill some of the Great Monarch prophecies, hence I felt that some were thus likely to be fulfilled....

I, thus, still consider that Karl zu Guttenberg is one to watch.

As a student of prophecy, I found it interesting...

I agree with Paul Thigpen...

It is quit apparent that Spanky Meredith's narcissistic personality has rubbed of on the Doctor of Prophecy.

It is also apparent that we should all be bowing down at Thiel's feet because of his prophetic voice that is crying out.  Apparently our salvation depends on what he writes.  Ho hum.

Check out this link for further information about Thiel and his Obsession with the Beast.



 

The Supreme Cult: Making a Mockery of Cult Religion

Check out the latest COG related blog that pokes fun at the hypocrisy 

of the cultic mindset of Bob Thiel and others.  

You would think after all these decades of failed prophecies and ignorant utterances 

that COG folk would keep their mouths shut and stop saying such incredibly stupid things. 

But no!  

Thiel and others continue to give the world daily fodder that deserves to be mocked and ridiculed.

So keep it up Dave, Wade, Sharon, Gerald, Spanky, Ronnie, Bob, Donna 

and the rest of you enlightened ones. 

You make us proud! Or something.....

The Supreme Cult

A Flow Chart for Choosing Your Religion

This needs to be expanded to include Armstrongism!

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From Center for Inquiry

Blinded By The Liars

Prophet Thiel has another entry today condemning various non-COG false prophets that have been uttered stupid predictions over the last few years.  He points out all their foibles while promoting his cultic book that is supposed to have all the answers.

He can rightly discern that these men are liars and false prophets, yet, he is blinded to the fact he follows one of Armstrongism's biggest liars and false prophets, Roderick C Meredith. Meredith has uttered  many damnable lies over the decades that have been publicly exposed over and over.  Yet, Prophet Thiel turns a blind eye to them, just as he refused to acknowledge the lies of Herbert Armstrong, Herman Hoeh, Dean Blackwell, Gerald Waterhouse and others.

They still gloss over the fact that Herbert Armstrong and Roderick Meredith lied in the early 70's when they said that we would be fleeing to Petra by 1972.  They lied that famine, disease and pestilence would destroy the nation in 1975.  They lied over and over and still today they have followers who deny they ever uttered a false prophecy. 

Thiel writes:

On January 2, 2011, in an article titled False Predictions for 2011 I had denounced several false predictions for 2011.
The false prediction with the largest following was Harold Egbert Camping of Family Radio.  And I stated that the following were some of his predictions which would be proven false in late May and October of 2011:

As we have noted, God further solidifies or locks in this date, May 21, 2011, by placing the day of shutting the door, when the rapture will occur, on the 17th day of the second month of the Biblical calendar. Significantly, the number 17 links perfectly to the fact of the rapture because spiritually, the number 17 signifies heaven. Moreover, the number 2 (second month) spiritually identifies with those who have been commissioned to bring the Gospel. Is it not amazing that they will be raptured on the 17th day of the second month? Is that coincidental? We also have learned that the last day of the earth’s existence, October 21, 2011, is the 23rd day of the seventh month of the Biblical calendar. The number 23 normally signifies God’s wrath being poured out. The number 7 (seventh month) signifies the perfect fulfillment of God’s purposes. Could this also be coincidental, that the final completion of God’s punishment on the unsaved occurs in the seventh month on a day that features the number 23, which is a number that completely identifies with God’s wrath, thus signifying God’s perfect wrath on the unsaved? (Camping H. We are Almost There! 2008 edition, p. 61-62)

Jesus did not return on May 21, 2011 nor did the world end on October 21, 2011.  Tens of thousands read my long article about him titled Harold Camping’s Teachings About the End of the World Do Not Agree with the Bible.

Then in true COG fashion, Prophet Thiel pulls a Dave Pack rabbit out of the air to promote his new book.  Dave Pack has the worlds largest and best web site on "the truth" while Prophet Thiel has the worlds most important and ONLY book currently dealing with false prophecies.  It is the worlds best documented book on the topic.

Those who seriously would like to compare various predictions and how they align (or in certain cases do not align) with Bible prophecy should check out my book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect as it seems to be the most documented book on the market to do so (also world events have already aligned with at least 20 predictions that it contains, with none shown to be false).

It just goes to show that Prophet Thiel is as big of a liar as his spiritual leader Roderick C Meredith is.

Dennis On: "They Come...They Go"

They come....They Go

Having been a 26 year pastor in 13 congregations in 5 states, and after having gone through the theological slaughter of the 90's perpetuated upon the membership by "leadership," of the WCG, I have to ask the question, where did all the friends go?


I found myself in an odd situation. I loved the people in my congregations and had many wonderful friendships and friends, I thought.  This final congregation in South Carolina was the toughest by far, even if everything was going well.  They were used to being rewarded by the minister for their loyalty and friends became deacons and included in the lives of all the brethren. There were always three or four waiting and chaffing at the chance to be the real minister.  Ugh!  I didn't work that way so quickly fell afoul of their system. I didn't take deacons on visits to  know and hear the problems of others.  That was not their business and people aren't honest when they feel they are being grilled.  One on one worked for me, because someday I'd be moving on.  At any rate, Church Picnics went from really fun to drama events. We stopped having them.


Some would tell me what the church was really up to at HQ and that this or that really was going to change. Dumb me would call Joe Tkach and simply ask him if A/B or C was true or not.  It was never true according to Joe.  It was ALWAYS true according to what actually came to be. As a result , I'd come back and tell the church all was well and then end up looking like a fool caught between the Administration that lied to me and the members who thought I was stupid and naive.  Of course I was..ha.   Thus, as the baloney in the middle of the sandwich, neither side kept much in touch.  That was my experience with friends.


The only time those who have either stayed with the new and improved version of the Church, which has changed it's name to distance itself from it's own past, or those that have left it for splinter groups that profess to keep the old ways intact, or those that have moved on to greener and more stable pastures, or the disillusioned meet is at funerals or in the final days of some former church friend. Sad isn't it? One has to be dying or dead to find out you had friends after all. But then unless you were having an out of body experience attending your own funeral, you'd not know. It is more comfortable being friends to the dying than the living. And I am sure after I am dead, thousands will once again say that we were friends. Dealing with a dead Diehl is easier than dealing with the real Diehl. :)


When churches implode, as they do, friendships explode. I can count on one hand the friendships that have stayed in tact since my being labeled a minister who "knew a lot about Jesus, but did not know Jesus" and then being terminated.  Don't misunderstand. I was outgrowing the literalism of any church but was in a transtion.  And...I have fingers left over!
It is reckless change and administration of policy that tears friendships apart when associated with churches and the hope the promote in their teachings. Local ministers, who can have their own dictatorial ways, can tear friendships apart as well by causing "friends" to make choices and take sides in endless and stupid disputes or personality cults.


In my own case, I have had more than one former member, whose children I had married and whose husbands I had buried, pass by me at the lobby desk in a hospital where work to make ends meet. I simply do not exist to them because I am no longer one of them, whatever that might mean. I have known minister friends who have drank themselves to death after reckless change confused them and their friends marginalized them for being hurt and confused. One minister even jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge if you can imagine that. That takes planning and a total lack of friends left to help you through. Suicide seems often the mistaken idea that the death of an old idea mistranslates into we think we have to die  It's a permanent solution to a short term problem. . Very sad but I understand it.


So when your church implodes, why do your friendships explode? There are several types of friendships built when we become a part of a church and their dynamics are all a bit different.
First of all, everyone in any particular believes that "we all have to be friends," because, well, we are in the Church. The common bond of similar or same beliefs is what constitutes the friendship. In any other setting, we would not be friends with most of these people as we would really have nothing else in common to hold it together. Thus, when the church implodes, the friendships explode, fall apart and are not salvageable. They are based on being in the common church with a common belief. When that falls apart, that is generally the end of your friendships.


If you leave the church in discouragement, anger or theology fatigue, you are now a seed fallen on bad ground. Those who you leave behind will read about you in Matthew as one of the seeds that fell on hard ground and when trials came alone etc, did not have the ability to survive. Of course, it will be a bullshit explanation, but it makes them feel good to see that they are off the friendship hook with you for being disillusioned, hurt, marginalized or just worn out by controversy. Without the church work, doctrine or goals, you have no friendship. These people will disappear quickly should you ever begin to wake up to the fact that NO church knows all it needs to know about the Bible to be THE one true church. Of course, since no one attends the one false church, you will be labeled, disfellowshipped, avoided and generally cast into the Lake of Fire, Hell or other imagined bad places for the wicked person you are. These are mere not friends that stick closer than brothers, or at least not unless you live in the same house. Since you moved out, you are no brother of theirs.


The second kind of church friends you will cultivate are genuine friends that are friends in spite of church. You have the church in common. You met at church, but you also have kids, ideas and needs in common and develop a friendship outside of just church stuff. Your kids grow up together, make fun of the church and minister together, as do you from time to time and it's just normal. But if you leave the Church or the Church leaves you, they have agonizing decisions to make. If they stay, they might sneak your friendship but if the Church was still the main draw, they eventually will leave you alone, high and dry. They might even leave the church themselves, but if they move on to an even more righteous church than the one they left, and you just became disillusioned and non-committal, they will spend some time getting you to follow them into the truer church, or drop you in time as well. They don't mean it. You're not being theologically tied to any belief and even willing to step outside boxes that lead to different conclusions about religion will leave you without these friends in time. They will feel sorry for you for not moving on to even an more true church in their quest for the one true one. These friends will make you feel icky if you insist on staying around them just because they are all you have left. They will make you feel inferior for your beliefs or lack of them compared to their now new and improved ones, which is always a sign you might need to just forget the friendship. It's not real.

Another group are those that may be somewhat like you in your skepticism and having learned more than the church would have wished you to learn from the whole experience. You'll have all the bitching in common about the past. You will have quality time living in, mulling over and analyzing the past, but when you tire of that and realize that your life is not going forward in the past, these friends will also dry up and blow away.

You may outgrow them and bring your life up into the present while they wallow in the past and you grow tired of it, or you may stay stuck and they move on. Either way, the friendship will dissolve in time, as friendship based on sharing only a bad experience is doomed in the long run. You'll know the "friendship" is over when they keep sending you updates on the goings on the past Church and you don't care. In the world of blogging and email, you may have attracted these types of friends because of your common disastrous experience, but you have never even met these people in real time and would not know them if they sat next to you. But you were friends, until you weren't.


I am writing this while listening to the great hymns of the Church. Me...Mr. Skeptical, listening to the old hymns. I get teary because it provokes the chemistry of a more simple time, when I was younger and didn't know I was going to learn and experience all I was going to with regards to Church, ministers, theology, politics, behavior, humans and reality.
Wait a sec, It is Well With My Soul is playing...gotta get teary...ok, back.


Seems a shame church friends who have suffered through the ridiculous and reckless folly of those who are determined to not think change through, have to meet only at funerals of the wounded and now dead friends of the past. Maybe if someone had been a real friend, in spite of Church, they would still be alive.


Well, I guess that answers in part, where did they all go? People who hop from truer church to truer church in pursuit of the TRUE Church build friendships based on being a member of that particular church or set of beliefs. That is one kind of friendship but they also tend to dissolve quickly when conditions in that church change. That has been my experience in spades.
While the Bible says "a friend loves at all times", that has proven elusive to say the least among the survivors of the WCG debacle.



In reality, I  find that many who say they love you or are you best friend don't tell you it's conditional.

Dennis C. Diehl
DenniscDiehl@aol.com